[quote]300andabove wrote:
LOl i hardly meant they would kill you !
BUt if you do the research (you DID didn’t you?) then you would see there is a big HUGE gigantic NO NO to teenagers doing the stretches… im not a big physiology buff so i will take a back seat to those more knowledgable than i on this topic.
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Where did you read this? I think you got confused on the NONO to teenagers not doing the program, rather than the stretches.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
I don’t see how the fascial stretching couldn’t be used by those who can’t follow the other protocols of DC. I’ve never seen a post by Dante saying teenagers should stay away from it. Idiots maybe, but then again idiots shouldn’t be around heavy, metal things anyway.
You havent been paying much attention then.[/quote]
You haven’t, it’s already been pointed out that the stretch in question is the scapular manipulation thing that he doesn’t teach anyone unless he is with them personally. This is much different from normal fascial stretching protocols.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
I don’t see how the fascial stretching couldn’t be used by those who can’t follow the other protocols of DC. I’ve never seen a post by Dante saying teenagers should stay away from it. Idiots maybe, but then again idiots shouldn’t be around heavy, metal things anyway.
You havent been paying much attention then.
You haven’t, it’s already been pointed out that the stretch in question is the scapular manipulation thing that he doesn’t teach anyone unless he is with them personally. This is much different from normal fascial stretching protocols.[/quote]
Seconded
Let me clarify, I KNOW that Dante tells teenagers not to follow his program, this is a big duh, but what I’m saying is that thing about not doing fascial stretches when you’re young because you’re still growing seems as unfounded as that whole “Adolescents shouldn’t weightlift because then they’ll turn into midgets and fuck up their backs” fad-shit that the general gullible public believes.
Just gotta be careful. Yong, complete beginners with weak tendons and ligaments shouldnt start ripping and tearing their bodies apart by doing more “Extreme” stretching than their body can handle.
But stretching in itself, if not done to the point of injury, is good for growth, mobility, and various other things.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Let me clarify, I KNOW that Dante tells teenagers not to follow his program, this is a big duh, but what I’m saying is that thing about not doing fascial stretches when you’re young because you’re still growing seems as unfounded as that whole “Adolescents shouldn’t weightlift because then they’ll turn into midgets and fuck up their backs” fad-shit that the general gullible public believes.[/quote]
Idk if anyoen has but lets say you were doing an extreme stretch after a widowmaker for quads and you tore the muscle. Usually injuries like that when a teen seem to more often have lasting problems then if it had happened to an adult.
just a thought. Not that I think it’s a super high risk or anything.
You’d have to be an idiot to hurt yourself stretching, unfortunately teenagers are idiots 98% of the time(I remember, I was one not too long ago). By that simple logic we can say most teens shouldn’t extreme stretch.
Put it this way, is tight fascia holding you back your chest growth or is the fact you are bench pressing 145x8 still? Get to work on the one that needs to be addressed.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
You’d have to be an idiot to hurt yourself stretching, unfortunately teenagers are idiots 98% of the time(I remember, I was one not too long ago). By that simple logic we can say most teens shouldn’t extreme stretch.
Put it this way, is tight fascia holding you back your chest growth or is the fact you are bench pressing 145x8 still? Get to work on the one that needs to be addressed. [/quote]
98%…only?
The last point you made is key.
Say, who do you think is bullshitting more? Hard gainers or Hard (fat) losers?
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
I don’t see how the fascial stretching couldn’t be used by those who can’t follow the other protocols of DC. I’ve never seen a post by Dante saying teenagers should stay away from it. Idiots maybe, but then again idiots shouldn’t be around heavy, metal things anyway.
You havent been paying much attention then.
You haven’t, it’s already been pointed out that the stretch in question is the scapular manipulation thing that he doesn’t teach anyone unless he is with them personally. This is much different from normal fascial stretching protocols.[/quote]
No, I have. Iv been a member on Im for nearly 3 years now and have exchanged emails with Dante on several occasions. Im not going to go find it for you since Im in the middle of my finals right now, but if you need someones help to find a post from Dante telling teens not to mess with his program, then youre not smart enough to figure the program out on your own anyways.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
I don’t see how the fascial stretching couldn’t be used by those who can’t follow the other protocols of DC. I’ve never seen a post by Dante saying teenagers should stay away from it. Idiots maybe, but then again idiots shouldn’t be around heavy, metal things anyway.
You havent been paying much attention then.
You haven’t, it’s already been pointed out that the stretch in question is the scapular manipulation thing that he doesn’t teach anyone unless he is with them personally. This is much different from normal fascial stretching protocols.
No, I have. Iv been a member on Im for nearly 3 years now and have exchanged emails with Dante on several occasions. Im not going to go find it for you since Im in the middle of my finals right now, but if you need someones help to find a post from Dante telling teens not to mess with his program, then youre not smart enough to figure the program out on your own anyways.[/quote]
Read my most recent posts before you answer an older one, I clarify myself, jeez.
the people on IM say it’s ok for teens to DC stretch.
It’d be great if you just did a quick search on the email you sent Dante, shouldn’t take more than 5 minutes to get it posted here too 
Come on guys, don’t make a fuss. Keep it to PM or the DC threads.
For the record: What do you think a weighted stretch is? (Dante has written something about this before…)
Ever done Incline DB Curls or Flyes ? What’s the lower part of ROM do? Stretch the muscle big time. Nobody says to do anything much different than a static hold in the stretch position… Sure there are some more intricacies to this, but the basic premise is the same…
Just because it’s called an extreme stretch or some such doesn’t change what it actually is and doesn’t make it any more dangerous (esp. since you’re using much lighter loads than you would for a regular exercise, at least for most of the stretches).
The only issue I know of is that guys with small arms will usually have trouble with any of the tricep stretches (elbow wise, and it should be obvious as to why).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Scott M wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
what is this scapular manipulation supposed to do?
Never mind (or read up on it at a certain other forum).
I thought it was a good question. Everyone seems to think they are all chiropractors all of a sudden.
I would PM you this if I could, but it’s something Dante has done to himself and a few people in person that involves tearing some soft tissue which instantly opens up the lat spread a few inches.
He refuses to type it out publically to avoid people misinterpreted and get hurt, he doesn’t claim to be a doctor and has admitted he isn’t 100% sure what’s going on internally just that it works.
All that does is make me wonder why someone would do it. There could just be a reason doctors aren’t ripping connective tissue just so someone can do a lat spread.
In fact, if someone’s lat spread isn’t due to large amounts of muscle in the area, I really don’t want to see someone “opened” so that it looks bigger than it is.[/quote]
and so you are seeing why I dont want to talk about it on open forums. Does it work? Yes I know it works…ive done it to myself and many others in person…and Ive seen some of my trainees do it after I explained it to them in detail…but if i talk about this stuff on the net it will open up a can of worms in bodybuilding that I dont have the time, determination or fortitude to defend.
I keep hearing “Well dante let the idiots be idiots if they hurt themselves with it”…no im not going to have that on my conscience as I know a great many people will try it.
What happened when I was talking about big 225 pound and upward guys who were stuck in muscle mass upping their protein intake to 500 plus grams a day to get over that plateau?
150 to 175 pound kids on bodybuilding.com started talking about their doggcrapp diets of 500 grams of protein and I couldnt sleep at night because thats the last guys who should be taking in that amount. What happened when I went over how to do all the extreme stretches? Regular size guys on other sites started doing crucifix flat bench flyes with 90 pounds (because thats what I use) and hurting themselves…and thats not even the proper way to do it…you are supposed to do it with bent arms and concentrate on dropping the elbows while keeping the chest and sternum high…people take what I say to the extreme and I have to be careful with this stuff…what happens if i talk about the scapular manipulation and how its done?
Some idiot is going to strap himself up to a tree on one side and his friends Monte Carlo on the other to get a bigger lat spread…Im not taking the chance.
^^ since you stopped by, congrats are in order on the healthy new addition to the family.
Get the new addition started on some scapular manipulation at an early age along with some DC coaching from the man himself and we’ll have ourselves our 1st 400 pounder with single digit body fat!
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
^^ since you stopped by, congrats are in order on the healthy new addition to the family. [/quote]
Congrats from me as well.
Let’s see how well you can run on ~1-2 hours of sleep a day 
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
^^ since you stopped by, congrats are in order on the healthy new addition to the family. [/quote]
x2
Congrats Dante.
very much appreciated guys…thank you. Its Delaneys birthday today…she is 7. Seven days old…I told her its about time she gets out of the house and lands a well paying job.
I’m pretty sure people might end up hurting themselves either way though, regardless of if it’s explained or not.
If you explain it, some people will try whatever it is mess up and hurt themselves. If you don’t explain it, probably those same people will hurt themselves trying to figure it out on their own.
There’s really no winning.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
You’d have to be an idiot to hurt yourself stretching, unfortunately teenagers are idiots 98% of the time(I remember, I was one not too long ago). By that simple logic we can say most teens shouldn’t extreme stretch.
Put it this way, is tight fascia holding you back your chest growth or is the fact you are bench pressing 145x8 still? Get to work on the one that needs to be addressed. [/quote]
This is so true.
First, you have to achieve proper lifting form in order to train with such intensiveness.