Let me remind you that if Sadam would have allowed the weapons inspectors to do their jobs there would have been no invasion. It’s really that simple. Bush did what he said he was going to do. At the risk of being simplistic, Saddam dared Bush to hit him and George knocked his teeth down his throat.
What you call a mistake I call one of the most successful military operations in history. I find it amusing that the US liberated Afganistan (the Russian Vietnam) and Iraq( One of the largest, if not the largest military presence in the Middle East) and some folks walk around saying that we are losing, or morale sucks, or our soldiers are war criminals…whatever
I often wonder what this generation would do if we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima
As a veteran, I raise my glass to the Devil Dogs.
Semper Fi
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You’re completely right, but according to my family in Iraq, morale is pretty low. While there is a reason for fighting, they really are getting tired of being shot at for trying to help. I could get into detail about specific stories, but I don’t want to hijack the thread.
No, bullshit!! A simple thank you is not in order, I’m sorry you fucked up and now you have to deal with the guilt of imperialism and the hate it breeds. Doing what he’s told and not stopping to think if it’s wrong or right or if that even matters.[/quote]
Has it ever crossed your mind that we have considered if it is wrong or right and if it even matters and concluded that it was?
No, bullshit!! A simple thank you is not in order, I’m sorry you fucked up and now you have to deal with the guilt of imperialism and the hate it breeds. Doing what he’s told and not stopping to think if it’s wrong or right or if that even matters.
I can’t take it anymore, this attitude in America, we are overcompensating for the shitty treatment the GI’s in Vietnam recieved. Well I’m just gonna say it, “I do not support the troops!!”
“I hope we learn a lesson in Iraq and leave having failed”. I honestly do, because people have to realize that what we did was wrong, and we deserve to lose because we have killed American kids, Iraqi kids, women and children, you name it. We do not deserve a victory parade in Times sqaure for this crime. My sympothy to all the unfortunate soldiers in Iraq, but I do not support your actions there. Come home safe and never make this mistake again.
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I agree–as a former marine-yut-yut to all the fallen. I cry everytime I hear a US death count. I think of my friends still overthere dug in the sand and wonder will I ever see them again. This is the biggest crime of the century. I don’t giv a crap about Saddam Hussein (George I messed up the first time)–nor should we care about anyother dictorial regime–every one in the middle east, china, N. Korea, etc.
We went into a country illegally and misplaced our authority as a world super-power. Now we will never be taken seriously again. We are feared and not respected by the people we should be trying to influence. Diplomatic pressure was the only way to go.
Now an unfortunate consequence is that we have needlessly killed thousands all in the name of American Imperialism (read, democracy). We have spread our military forces so thin that were an actual event to occur we’d have no way to deal with it–without a draft. Try convincing an eighteen year-old kid to go talk to a recruiter now.
Thank you George W. Bush for your arrogance and war-mongering. You wouldn’t know a real need for a fight if some one ran up and slapped you.
[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
They enlist because they believe in the American ideals.
I don’t agree with Al Shades take on this thread, but I also have to ask what the point is. If the point is to pay your respects for their sacrifice, then why must you also try and speak to their beliefs?
I know of people in the military that enlisted solely for financial reasons, opposed the United States going to war with Iraq, and went over there to fight anyway. Are you saying that you don’t appreciate their sacrifices because they didn’t enlist for the “right” reasons? I’m pretty sure you’re not saying that, so why not just pay your respects without trying to speak for their beliefs?
I know that if I were a marine in Iraq right now a simple thanks would be appreciated, but I wouldn’t want some guy on a message board speaking for me and my beliefs.
So thanks marines, regardless of why you enlisted.[/quote]
Article I of The Code of Conduct for Members of the Armed Forces of the United States:
" I am and American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense."
Article VI:
" I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and the United States of America."
Whatever your civilian mind may think…military personnel have made a commitment to service and sacrifice. Whatever someone may tell you his or her reason for joining is…it doesnt really matter. when u raise your right hand at enlistment, you are saying that you belive in, support and will defend your country…and…all of the ideals of the US military…among other things. its part of being a sailor, marine, soldier or airman. if u dont belive in those things then u dont belong in the US military. so, all of the folks that are writing bits on this thread about sevice and sacrifice and a service person’s commitment to the cause are right on…
That is the most ignorant thing I have ever seen in print. Ignorant of the situation in Iraq, ignorant of how the military works, even ignorant of how our political system works. And to hope for the death of soldiers, the failure of our nation, the defeat of liberty for a people who have never experienced it before just so you can say “I told you so” is un-imaginable to me.
BTW…what have you done for your country, or anyone else lately?
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quit being so melodramatic–Iraq never attaced the US. end of story. When I signed a contract to be a marine I didn’t sign a contract to go hunt for WMD–I signed to defend my country from being overthrown by other imperialist nations like the US. As a threat to the US Iraq was a joke.
What you call a mistake I call one of the most successful military operations in history. I find it amusing that the US liberated Afganistan (the Russian Vietnam) and Iraq( One of the largest, if not the largest military presence in the Middle East) and some folks walk around saying that we are losing, or morale sucks, or our soldiers are war criminals…whatever
I often wonder what this generation would do if we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima
As a veteran, I raise my glass to the Devil Dogs.
Semper Fi
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If by the most successful operations in history you really mean not turning up any WMD and helping to kill thousands needlessly then you are correct. Don’t call them Devildogs or Teufel Hunds, either, for that matter–there were soldiers there too.
If we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima it would have been because we were first attaced–don’t compare the two.
What individuals are saying the soldiers and marines are war crimminals? No just the administration.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
mckda02 wrote:
A Mistake eh?
What you call a mistake I call one of the most successful military operations in history. I find it amusing that the US liberated Afganistan (the Russian Vietnam) and Iraq( One of the largest, if not the largest military presence in the Middle East) and some folks walk around saying that we are losing, or morale sucks, or our soldiers are war criminals…whatever
I often wonder what this generation would do if we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima
As a veteran, I raise my glass to the Devil Dogs.
Semper Fi
If by the most successful operations in history you really mean not turning up any WMD and helping to kill thousands needlessly then you are correct. Don’t call them Devildogs or Teufel Hunds, either, for that matter–there were soldiers there too.
If we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima it would have been because we were first attaced–don’t compare the two.
What individuals are saying the soldiers and marines are war crimminals? No just the administration.[/quote]
Are you retarted? Do you remember 9/11? If you haden’t noticed, most of the alquida dogs we’re hunting down were IN IRAQ, stupid. They harbor terrorists that attacked out country. End of story, smacktard.
I just want to chime in and say that in my short life I have been blessed to be a small part of the culture of the United States Marine Corps. The Marines I have met and interacted with have been some of the most upstanding and genuinely honorable people around.
Also, I’d like to say that the Marine is a fighting man and on some level he is fighting in Iraq and abroad because it is his way. Earlier someone mentioned the “unfortunate soldiers” in Iraq. They didn’t get Shanghia’d there, they signed the dotted line and got the ride they bought the ticket for.
By the by, for all of you who have seen one recently, doesn’t an enlistment contract have a space on it for you to list what was promised to you and by who? I think it does. There’s no reason to be “duped” into combat.
Anyway, Marines rule. Here’s a quote:
The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!
Eleanor Roosevelt, First Lady of the United States, 1945
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
quit being so melodramatic–Iraq never attaced the US. end of story. When I signed a contract to be a marine I didn’t sign a contract to go hunt for WMD–I signed to defend my country from being overthrown by other imperialist nations like the US. As a threat to the US Iraq was a joke.[/quote]
Sorry, I didnt mean to be melodramatic. You are correct, Iraq as a nation was no more a threat than Afghanistan. (yet here I am)
I dont care if the administration is criminal, I will serve it as faithfully as I served the last corrupt administration.
What have I done for my country? Sitting here in Afghanistan right now the only thing I may have accomplished is nothing but extend the imperialist grasp (as you put it) of the United States.
What have I done for others? I have oragnized health care to over 4000 people. I employ 50 people putting money into a shambles of an economy. I have trained soldiers to defend a centralized government.
I should feel ashamed for being such an imperialist.
(que dramatic music…exit stage left)
[quote]GriffinC wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
mckda02 wrote:
A Mistake eh?
What you call a mistake I call one of the most successful military operations in history. I find it amusing that the US liberated Afganistan (the Russian Vietnam) and Iraq( One of the largest, if not the largest military presence in the Middle East) and some folks walk around saying that we are losing, or morale sucks, or our soldiers are war criminals…whatever
I often wonder what this generation would do if we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima
As a veteran, I raise my glass to the Devil Dogs.
Semper Fi
If by the most successful operations in history you really mean not turning up any WMD and helping to kill thousands needlessly then you are correct. Don’t call them Devildogs or Teufel Hunds, either, for that matter–there were soldiers there too.
If we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima it would have been because we were first attaced–don’t compare the two.
What individuals are saying the soldiers and marines are war crimminals? No just the administration.
Are you retarted? Do you remember 9/11? If you haden’t noticed, most of the alquida dogs we’re hunting down were IN IRAQ, stupid. They harbor terrorists that attacked out country. End of story, smacktard.[/quote]
It was Iraq that Attaced US?–no wait it was Afghanastan–no wait…the
[quote]GriffinC wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
mckda02 wrote:
A Mistake eh?
What you call a mistake I call one of the most successful military operations in history. I find it amusing that the US liberated Afganistan (the Russian Vietnam) and Iraq( One of the largest, if not the largest military presence in the Middle East) and some folks walk around saying that we are losing, or morale sucks, or our soldiers are war criminals…whatever
I often wonder what this generation would do if we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima
As a veteran, I raise my glass to the Devil Dogs.
Semper Fi
If by the most successful operations in history you really mean not turning up any WMD and helping to kill thousands needlessly then you are correct. Don’t call them Devildogs or Teufel Hunds, either, for that matter–there were soldiers there too.
If we had to go through a battle like Iwo Jima it would have been because we were first attaced–don’t compare the two.
What individuals are saying the soldiers and marines are war crimminals? No just the administration.
Are you retarted? Do you remember 9/11? If you haden’t noticed, most of the alquida dogs we’re hunting down were IN IRAQ, stupid. They harbor terrorists that attacked out country. End of story, smacktard.[/quote]
Oh–this is news indeed–Iraq was harboring Al Quaida terrorists before we invaded? Holy Shit!! I think you’ve huffed too much tank-wash and mistaken Iraq and Afghanistan. What intelligence that has been released to the public do you have access to that the rest of us don’t.
Put your paint ball gun up, hang up your ground ponders and read a newspaper or listen to NPR once and a while–Rush Limbaugh doesn’t count as a legitimate news agency. Let me reiterate–Holy Shit!!
[quote]sjoconn wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
quit being so melodramatic–Iraq never attaced the US. end of story. When I signed a contract to be a marine I didn’t sign a contract to go hunt for WMD–I signed to defend my country from being overthrown by other imperialist nations like the US. As a threat to the US Iraq was a joke.
Sorry, I didnt mean to be melodramatic. You are correct, Iraq as a nation was no more a threat than Afghanistan. (yet here I am)
I dont care if the administration is criminal, I will serve it as faithfully as I served the last corrupt administration.
What have I done for my country? Sitting here in Afghanistan right now the only thing I may have accomplished is nothing but extend the imperialist grasp (as you put it) of the United States.
What have I done for others? I have oragnized health care to over 4000 people. I employ 50 people putting money into a shambles of an economy. I have trained soldiers to defend a centralized government.
I should feel ashamed for being such an imperialist.
(que dramatic music…exit stage left)
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Thank you. Please come home without injury and help fix up our boys.
I just meant imperialist in our vain attempt to spread democracy to people who hate us.
[quote]sjoconn wrote:
I dont care if the administration is criminal, I will serve it as faithfully as I served the last corrupt administration.
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This is my point. And tell me again why I should respect you for doing this? Let me guess, so I won’t have to fight and so I can sleep soundly in my bed at night. That sir, is retarded. Well, Ok, I guess I’ll make everyone in uniform feel like there miserable exsistance is justified. “Thanks Johnny Hero, thanks for driving the mighty Iraqi army from the Atlantic Shore all the way back to Baghdad. Geez, they almost marched on Washington and bayonetted American babies. Thank God our great leader has an all-knowing, all-seeing, military mind. Once again thanks guys, for saving us from the imperial ambitions of our treacherous neighbors, Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Again, please don’t think you’re more of a man than I, just because you happened to be in the military at a time when our great leader chose to play bully in the global neighborhood.
And as much as it makes you Iraq vets feel good, you are an invader and an occupier. You probablly don’t like those titles so you call yourself’s liberators. I’m sorry this administration made invaders out of you but that is what you are.
I dont know what you do for a living, but I would bet that no one has hoped for your failure and death because of your profession the way you have mine and many others.
I bet even when you go shopping you tell the clerk “thankyou, have a nice day”. But thats too much COMMON courtesy and respect to be shown to us I guess.
I dont think Im more of a man than you because of what I do. It’s what I choose to do and I am man enough to live with my decision. I did state you were ignorant. And implied that you were selfish and unfamilier with self sacrifice. I also implied you were childish. But any manhood issues you harbor are strictly your own.
BTW, I’m not a marine, but I appreciate what you do and respect your sacrifice. Thankyou and have a nice day.
War on terrorism… been going on since the early 80’s… Gas prices, LOL. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH… LOL, that’s a knee slapper.
It’s called hybrid. N@$# underdstands this along with other notable energy companies. Soon, petroleum be no good. Called getting as much as you can out of a product…
Terrorism, LOL, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH… My sides hurt I’m going home… heheheh…
Invaders, yes. occupier's yes. Liberators, yes. Don't know about the USA but Australia has been occupiered by many different races and cultures, many leaving places that were charactiszed by people disappearing and generally unpleasant situations, they wanted somewhere where perhaps demoracy?inperallism was before the rule of the gun and summary process,
I can understand bitter buffaloe and other posters but will not accepted that when I have been in unpleasant situations, it has been for a greater good, I have experienced Rwanda and understand what happens when generally good men stand back and let things go on when you know in your heart is wrong.
Put your paint ball gun up, hang up your ground ponders and read a newspaper or listen to NPR once and a while…[/quote]
All right, does this qualify as one of the dumbest political posts ever? N-P-motherfucking-R? Someone is lording it over someone else because he listens to NPR?
What’s next? “Watch some Sesame Street and learn about the REAL WORLD? Get your GED and become an intellectual like me? Read USA Today and feel informed?”
[quote]Original_Demon wrote:
War on terrorism… been going on since the early 80’s… Gas prices, LOL. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH… LOL, that’s a knee slapper.
It’s called hybrid. N@$# underdstands this along with other notable energy companies. Soon, petroleum be no good. Called getting as much as you can out of a product…
Terrorism, LOL, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH… My sides hurt I’m going home… heheheh…
OD[/quote]
Hi. Welcome to the forum!
Generally speaking you will find that the forum responds best to coherent thoughts. And I should warn you that English is preferred.
[quote]Original_Demon wrote:
War on terrorism… been going on since the early 80’s… Gas prices, LOL. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH… LOL, that’s a knee slapper.
It’s called hybrid. N@$# underdstands this along with other notable energy companies. Soon, petroleum be no good. Called getting as much as you can out of a product…
Terrorism, LOL, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH… My sides hurt I’m going home… heheheh…
OD[/quote]
What? What in gods name were you even trying to piece together?