^how much tyrosine?
i’ve gone up to 6 grams pre work out and didnt notice much…
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
^how much tyrosine?
i’ve gone up to 6 grams pre work out and didnt notice much…[/quote]
I took 2 grams around 30 mins before I started warming up for a race, I then PR’d in that race and felt great. I’ve used it around 5 or 6 times & had great workouts each time. Take that for what it’s worth.
Maybe you took too much or were using it for too long. Oh and also make sure to take it on an empty stomach.
Spike tablets are about 50 cents apiece. http://www.t-nation.com/store/supplements/spike-tablets.jsp
Not an option in Canada with the Yohimbine though. Unless you can have a friend send them to you as a gift, and with christmas just around the corner it’s an option.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Spike tablets are about 50 cents apiece. http://www.T-Nation.com/store/supplements/spike-tablets.jsp
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[quote]supa power wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
^how much tyrosine?
i’ve gone up to 6 grams pre work out and didnt notice much…[/quote]
I took 2 grams around 30 mins before I started warming up for a race, I then PR’d in that race and felt great. I’ve used it around 5 or 6 times & had great workouts each time. Take that for what it’s worth.
Maybe you took too much or were using it for too long. Oh and also make sure to take it on an empty stomach.[/quote]
I generally stick with 5 grams and as Supa Power mentioned, empty stomach is crucial in it’s effectiveness. As I train fasted in the morning, it works wonders and all the pre-workout powders I’ve tried over the years that contained Tyrosine have been the most effective.
[quote]dennis3k wrote:
Not an option in Canada with the Yohimbine though. Unless you can have a friend send them to you as a gift, and with christmas just around the corner it’s an option.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Spike tablets are about 50 cents apiece. http://www.T-Nation.com/store/supplements/spike-tablets.jsp
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Ah, didn’t notice the Canada part. Every province is different, so that may be hit or miss.
[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
[quote]supa power wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
^how much tyrosine?
i’ve gone up to 6 grams pre work out and didnt notice much…[/quote]
I took 2 grams around 30 mins before I started warming up for a race, I then PR’d in that race and felt great. I’ve used it around 5 or 6 times & had great workouts each time. Take that for what it’s worth.
Maybe you took too much or were using it for too long. Oh and also make sure to take it on an empty stomach.[/quote]
I generally stick with 5 grams and as Supa Power mentioned, empty stomach is crucial in it’s effectiveness. As I train fasted in the morning, it works wonders and all the pre-workout powders I’ve tried over the years that contained Tyrosine have been the most effective.[/quote]
i’ve always used on empty stomach… maybe my thyroid problems masked the benefits. idk, its complicated to explain but basically it seems like tyrosine can make certain cases of thyroid issues worse
if no one mentioned them already
creatine mono
beta alanine
citrulline malate
ALCAR or just normal carnitine
VIT B6 or even a B-complex
i’ve never noticed any better work capacity from training fasted to bcaa’s to whey, like other people have reported
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
Slighty off topic, but Ive never seen the need for stims pre workout. I have no trouble pushing myself in the gym. [/quote]
Pushing yourself how? intensity? volume?
Unless a stim non-responder, you just can’t say you accomplish as much and be correct
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In other words I have no problem in stimulating my muscles to grow or get stronger without stims. If I added them yes I might be able to get an extra rep or set, but that would only increase my recovery needs. Its not worth it. Id rather spend the same amount of money on a protein drink intraworkout or some extra food after.
i’m sorry but where is all this “stim use = shitty recovery” coming from?
i’m not saying it’s false, just something i’ve never seen or experienced…
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
i’m sorry but where is all this “stim use = shitty recovery” coming from?
i’m not saying it’s false, just something i’ve never seen or experienced…[/quote]
And that isnt exactly whats being said either.
No offense intended here but generally the people I see at the gym who talk about NO, Jack3d or whatever other pre-workout stimulant are the guys who are obviously under eating and training beyond their recovery ability. These guys are skinny and dont seem to equate recovery with improvement.
The way I see it, if you want to get more reps or more sets you are better off to “earn them”. In other words you do a workout, and then you recover, and then the NEXT workout you will get the extra rep/s or set/s. If the supplement actually works then as soon as you stop using it (or as soon as your body adapts to it) you will see a preformance drop off. Id rather never have to deal with this and just wait an extra workout to get that extra rep you took the stim for!
All IMO obviously.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
i’m sorry but where is all this “stim use = shitty recovery” coming from?
i’m not saying it’s false, just something i’ve never seen or experienced…[/quote]
And that isnt exactly whats being said either.
No offense intended here but generally the people I see at the gym who talk about NO, Jack3d or whatever other pre-workout stimulant are the guys who are obviously under eating and training beyond their recovery ability. These guys are skinny and dont seem to equate recovery with improvement.
The way I see it, if you want to get more reps or more sets you are better off to “earn them”. In other words you do a workout, and then you recover, and then the NEXT workout you will get the extra rep/s or set/s. If the supplement actually works then as soon as you stop using it (or as soon as your body adapts to it) you will see a preformance drop off. Id rather never have to deal with this and just wait an extra workout to get that extra rep you took the stim for!
All IMO obviously.[/quote]
No offense intended, but it sounds like you’ve never actually experimentned with preworkout/cognitive-type stuff. I don’t think I’m wrong and it explains your awfully idealistic tone.
Anyway, now imagine one who has periworkout nutrition down pat AND knows how to push themselves AND utilizes a well-timed CNS boost on top of all of this - their fully-maximized progress just seems wrong, doesn’t it??
or maybe it’s just well-informed??
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
i’m sorry but where is all this “stim use = shitty recovery” coming from?
i’m not saying it’s false, just something i’ve never seen or experienced…[/quote]
And that isnt exactly whats being said either.
No offense intended here but generally the people I see at the gym who talk about NO, Jack3d or whatever other pre-workout stimulant are the guys who are obviously under eating and training beyond their recovery ability. These guys are skinny and dont seem to equate recovery with improvement.
The way I see it, if you want to get more reps or more sets you are better off to “earn them”. In other words you do a workout, and then you recover, and then the NEXT workout you will get the extra rep/s or set/s. If the supplement actually works then as soon as you stop using it (or as soon as your body adapts to it) you will see a preformance drop off. Id rather never have to deal with this and just wait an extra workout to get that extra rep you took the stim for!
All IMO obviously.[/quote]
No offense intended, but it sounds like you’ve never actually experimentned with preworkout/cognitive-type stuff. I don’t think I’m wrong and it explains your awfully idealistic tone.
Anyway, now imagine one who has periworkout nutrition down pat AND knows how to push themselves AND utilizes a well-timed CNS boost on top of all of this
- their fully-maximized progress just seems wrong, doesn’t it??
or maybe it’s just well-informed??
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Explain how what I have in bold would make any difference in growth or strength over a year? Im not sure I can figure out the mechanisms that would be involved.
Maybe I am just being simple minded here, but I dont see how artifically stimulating your fatigue threshold (ability to do more work, sets/reps) can possibly be a good thing without stimulating extra recovery to the same extent. Steroids do both and this is why they work.
Once youve got your frequency of training sorted. Your diet, sleep and stress sorted, adding the ability to do more work is only going to require more recovery. Theres only so many hours in a day to sleep, eat and unwind.
Maybe its simply a personallity thing as well. Do what works for you.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Every province is different, so that may be hit or miss. [/quote]
This is not true, it’s the same for all.
Health Canada is a federally run governmental organization that regulates drugs and natural health products for the whole country.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Bodybuilding_Bum wrote:
Any alternative in pill form to take? The drinks make me feel really good and kind of euphoric.[/quote]
MDMA[/quote]
lol. I can imagine someone trying to lift weights on that. Would not work. They’d be too engrossed in the feel of the grip on the bars.[/quote]
On a related topic, I have heard from a good friend that is close to some well known bodybuilders from qc that they used to snort coke before lifting… lol
^and apparently marijuana is great for developing the MMC
ive tried everything going, although I did like spike, getting anything in the uK by Biotest is extremely expensive.
I highly recommend shroom tech sport, its based on a cordyceps mushroom that promotes oxygen in blood, it gives you very high stamina and zero jittery ‘a’ class drug energy, check out onnit.com
its all down to personal preference, jack 3d is highly rated but I dont enjoy the insane spike and come down that follows it.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
^and apparently marijuana is great for developing the MMC[/quote]
pot + 1,3 DMAA product
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
^and apparently marijuana is great for developing the MMC[/quote]
pot + 1,3 DMAA product[/quote]
damn. ive been working on my MMC for a while now but i always freak out when i smoke… oh well
im interested in what weed your smoking before the gym, ive tried some pretty strong sativas but the gym isnt the first thing that comes to mind after smoking !