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[quote]Germanone wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I have mixed feelings about this statement. On the one hand, my standards are certainly only my own and shouldn’t be imposed on anyone else. Although I seem to do a damn good job of doing that. On the other hand, this statement strikes me as the same as saying it’s okay to DL without the lockout. Or it’s okay to bench without touching the chest. Call me a purist, I suppose.[/quote]

Well I’ll say i agree with what you are saying but i am trying to take off my power lifting hat and look at it from a functional standpoint for her goals. Up is hitting femur parallel which from my reading is going to get good glute/ham activation (squatting lower maybe a little more but maybe not) also knees coming forward a bit but will engage the quads a bit more. So i am thinking more of an athletic squat…also she had a pretty substantial groin strain that sidelined her for about 6 weeks. Knock on wood that hasn’t been an issue but pushing that squat down may flair it up again. Some box squats to get to parallel and work technique will be in her future (we did some last time we worked out) but pretty tuff to do in this gym so we bagged them. But so far she is achieving what she wants so my thinking is go with it. That’s just an FYI of how her squats are where they are at :)[/quote]

I have forgotten about that pull, good on you for remembering! Also it should be noted you do call me out on high squats and I am trying to get down there. I dont want to get too good at this because a crazy thought of competing could tickle my brain.

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[quote]UpScale wrote:
I dont want to get too good at this because a crazy thought of competing could tickle my brain. [/quote]

lol…I really wouldn’t be surprised one bit if you did down the road :wink:

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[quote]Germanone wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I have mixed feelings about this statement. On the one hand, my standards are certainly only my own and shouldn’t be imposed on anyone else. Although I seem to do a damn good job of doing that. On the other hand, this statement strikes me as the same as saying it’s okay to DL without the lockout. Or it’s okay to bench without touching the chest. Call me a purist, I suppose.[/quote]

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Hm. Interesting discussion here - from a trainer’s POV especially I can see what you’re saying Germnan and i think it makes sense. Curious on the front squats though, I would assume those are just naturally deeper than back squats? Anyways, as a soccer player I was always told all that i needed was to squat “parallel,” which i did for years - And then Snapper came along and my life changed…lol!

Seriously though, since i started squatting ATG I feel my lifting has improved insurmountably! The crossover in terms of strength gains has been incredible - especially for me in terms of my athletic goals. I guess what I’m saying is that I wish I had learned to squat deeper from the start then to have to relearn my squat later on. But that’s just me…

V-taper is ridiculous! Looking AMAZING!

Nice Dls too. You made those look SO easy! Get some weight on that bar :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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[quote]Mascherano wrote:

[quote]Germanone wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I have mixed feelings about this statement. On the one hand, my standards are certainly only my own and shouldn’t be imposed on anyone else. Although I seem to do a damn good job of doing that. On the other hand, this statement strikes me as the same as saying it’s okay to DL without the lockout. Or it’s okay to bench without touching the chest. Call me a purist, I suppose.[/quote]

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Hm. Interesting discussion here - from a trainer’s POV especially I can see what you’re saying Germnan and i think it makes sense. Curious on the front squats though, I would assume those are just naturally deeper than back squats? Anyways, as a soccer player I was always told all that i needed was to squat “parallel,” which i did for years - And then Snapper came along and my life changed…lol!

Seriously though, since i started squatting ATG I feel my lifting has improved insurmountably! The crossover in terms of strength gains has been incredible - especially for me in terms of my athletic goals. I guess what I’m saying is that I wish I had learned to squat deeper from the start then to have to relearn my squat later on. But that’s just me…

V-taper is ridiculous! Looking AMAZING!

Nice Dls too. You made those look SO easy! Get some weight on that bar ;P[/quote]

Thanks girl, and yes i had weight on there but turned camera off instead of on…Ill get it next time.

Believe me I want deeper, ill get it :slight_smile:
PS IF I get your hammies and bum Ill try that much harder!!

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Training I had to get this in today but ideal would have been tomorrow. A few hours sleep last night didnt help…

Bench warm up

Incline 45/10 55/5 65/5 75 failed on 4 1/2 luckily I had asked a bystander to spot me, i knew i wasnt feeling it.

DB bench —> this is where I debated on going home or lightening up the weight if i HAD to.

25/5 30/ um 2 and fail, dropped back to 25s and finished it out 25/3x8

decided to stay.

Narrow grip bench 55/5 65/3x5 —> felt good like the closer bench

no racks open for push press so i did clean press. Wish I could have taped so the Oly peps could see, not sure I got it just right but ill tell you it was fun as hell and put me in the best mood, i find i go into aggressive mode from the movement.55/3x5 used a bench bar and made my space on floor.

Combo 2 min rest

Tbar row (loving where the closer grip hits my back) love doing these, music cranked!
db curls 15s

lat raise 15s 4x8 alt arms, 30 sec rest between—> keeping form was good, had to really think about it.

french press rack 25, 20 , 15 3x8 2 min rest not sure i lasted 2 min.

I rolled my self out after, felt good.

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looks like German has you doing some solid work.

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[quote]UpScale wrote:

[quote]Mascherano wrote:

[quote]Germanone wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I have mixed feelings about this statement. On the one hand, my standards are certainly only my own and shouldn’t be imposed on anyone else. Although I seem to do a damn good job of doing that. On the other hand, this statement strikes me as the same as saying it’s okay to DL without the lockout. Or it’s okay to bench without touching the chest. Call me a purist, I suppose.[/quote]

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Hm. Interesting discussion here - from a trainer’s POV especially I can see what you’re saying Germnan and i think it makes sense. Curious on the front squats though, I would assume those are just naturally deeper than back squats? Anyways, as a soccer player I was always told all that i needed was to squat “parallel,” which i did for years - And then Snapper came along and my life changed…lol!

Seriously though, since i started squatting ATG I feel my lifting has improved insurmountably! The crossover in terms of strength gains has been incredible - especially for me in terms of my athletic goals. I guess what I’m saying is that I wish I had learned to squat deeper from the start then to have to relearn my squat later on. But that’s just me…

V-taper is ridiculous! Looking AMAZING!

Nice Dls too. You made those look SO easy! Get some weight on that bar ;P[/quote]

Thanks girl, and yes i had weight on there but turned camera off instead of on…Ill get it next time.

Believe me I want deeper, ill get it :slight_smile:
PS IF I get your hammies and bum Ill try that much harder!![/quote]

I find A2G drives the effect way up the towards my hips…

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the main thing i like about atg is how there is a depth marker i can feel. i don’t question whether i’m starting to cut the rom short because i can feel whether i hit the bottom or not. i just learned to squat that way in the first place so didn’t need to worry about lightening the load to make the transition - which i’m grateful for. on the other hand, it meant i spent quite a long time struggling with very light weights (that felt freaking heavy for me).

i can see the sense in aiming for parallel in order to load it up in order to get used to heavier weights. on the other hand guess i worry about parallel becoming progressively higher. if you break parallel then you can brag about your numbers, too :slight_smile:

dunno, though, i found squatting THE hardest thing to learn. still learning to squat better and i’ve spent more than a year seriously working on it.

you are doing really well. my squat certainly didn’t look anywhere near that good after my working on it for months.

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[quote]PeteS wrote:
looks like German has you doing some solid work.[/quote]

So far so good !

NULL what was it you were trying to say?

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[quote]alexus wrote:
the main thing i like about atg is how there is a depth marker i can feel. i don’t question whether i’m starting to cut the rom short because i can feel whether i hit the bottom or not. i just learned to squat that way in the first place so didn’t need to worry about lightening the load to make the transition - which i’m grateful for. on the other hand, it meant i spent quite a long time struggling with very light weights (that felt freaking heavy for me).

i can see the sense in aiming for parallel in order to load it up in order to get used to heavier weights. on the other hand guess i worry about parallel becoming progressively higher. if you break parallel then you can brag about your numbers, too :slight_smile:

dunno, though, i found squatting THE hardest thing to learn. still learning to squat better and i’ve spent more than a year seriously working on it.

you are doing really well. my squat certainly didn’t look anywhere near that good after my working on it for months.[/quote]

Well I hope to be able to get there so i can post it. I think your doing great! Did you read up there i took over my space at the gym today, haha thought of you —> move over boys haha

also you can answer that pm here i didnt want to clog up YOUR log :slight_smile:

PS hmmm bragging maybe someday, sigh haha

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I need to find some local coot to train with.

nice work.

maschy what I can tell you about squatting past parallel
in my drop out of chiropractic college voice-
is more recruitment

move work from the VMO
move hamstring activation and involvment
the deeper the squat

front squats-
thought to be more ‘athletic’
better for longer legged people
de-loads the spine a bit
naturally deeper position in the hole

my dropout 2 cents.

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actually i’ll admit that my natural bottom position on a low bar back squat is only just past parallel (and feels like one hell of a stretch to get there). lots lower with a front squat, as kmcnyc said.

upscale - if i plan on quoting a few different people i’ll copy-paste stuff, sometimes, yeah. I’m used to quoting

like this.

But trying to get my head around using the quote function at this site with the commands. I’m a bit slow to catch on, though. Usually need to edit a few times to get the right slash etc.

I found an article the other day… It was about factors that limit peoples participation in the weights room. Based on surveys etc. They found that everyone has concerns about being negatively evaluated by others (e.g., others who are stronger). Women had some additional concerns about being the only woman there / about what might happen to their bodies if they trained with heavy weights. Women also had more concerns about being negatively evaluated as being incompetent with what they were doing (whereas guys didn’t tend to worry about that so much).

I’m finding that as I’m feeling more competent with what I’m doing I’m becoming much more assertive about my space in the weights room. I also feel better able to assess what others are up to (e.g., - oh I see what he is doing, that is hard, i’ll make sure i don’t get in his way vs c’mon dude go do your curls someplace else). I really do find it to be empowering. Remembering back to almost having panic attacks entering the commercial part of the gym when I first started out. Then feeling comfortable in that space but almost having panic attacks entering the heavy weights room. Now… I haven’t had that feeling of social anxiety for a while. In any setting. Hmm. Empowering. Yeah.

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[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
I need to find some local coot to train with.

nice work.

maschy what I can tell you about squatting past parallel
in my drop out of chiropractic college voice-
is more recruitment

move work from the VMO
move hamstring activation and involvment
the deeper the squat

front squats-
thought to be more ‘athletic’
better for longer legged people
de-loads the spine a bit
naturally deeper position in the hole

my dropout 2 cents.

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Also i think the shoes are a factor in Up’s back squat. When we did a set with the heel lifted she was more upright and sat deeper

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Hey there…looking GOOOOD!

And solid training…progress is coming along every time I peek in here! :smiley:

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[quote]UpScale wrote:

[quote]PeteS wrote:
looks like German has you doing some solid work.[/quote]

So far so good !

NULL what was it you were trying to say?

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sorry, I’m dyslexic, well dysgraphic…
Uh, I’ll try to write in english.

Must be great to have an accomplished training partner…

When I take the squat down and basically sit/pause on my ankles, sort of a deloading like a box squat. I feel the burn way and soreness up the quads, almost to the hip. I lift in untied chucks, so your mileage may vary.

There was a study, using electrical sensors to pick up nerve activation, that showed that the longer the range of motion the deeper the stimulation. Nerve firing progressed from head to base. The authors interpreted this as supporting the contention that it is possible to influence the shape of a muscle. It was rather small population and the characteristics of the group may have influenced results…

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Just to clarify: I’m not suggesting Up squat ATG (which, actually, not all that many people are capable of doing right). I just think she should aim for dipping it a bit below parallel.

Lots of interesting discussion here.

I do think that most of us here are of the type that “close isn’t good enough.” Otherwise, we probably wouldn’t be here. And I do have a hard time removing my PLing hat even though I know that isn’t everyone’s goal.

Keep up the good work.

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[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Just to clarify: I’m not suggesting Up squat ATG (which, actually, not all that many people are capable of doing right). I just think she should aim for dipping it a bit below parallel.

Lots of interesting discussion here.

I do think that most of us here are of the type that “close isn’t good enough.” Otherwise, we probably wouldn’t be here. And I do have a hard time removing my PLing hat even though I know that isn’t everyone’s goal.

Keep up the good work.[/quote]

Ya we’ve talked about that little dip/deeper and she is aware that by powerlifting standards she is high. She’s working on it and will get there

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[quote]Germanone wrote:

[quote]kmcnyc wrote:

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Also i think the shoes are a factor in Up’s back squat. When we did a set with the heel lifted she was more upright and sat deeper[/quote]

Oh yeah, this is totally true for me too! I don’t even like to attempt ATG squats without my Oly shoes! How you people (snapper and Kmac) do it without heals elevated is beyond me AND my mobility. lol!

And Up, when I said put “weight on the bar” that was a compliment, lol! Like, you’re making that shit look too easy. HAH! I clearly just had a FarmerBrett moment :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Anyways, keep up the great work!

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And Up, when I said put “weight on the bar” that was a compliment, lol! Like, you’re making that shit look too easy. HAH! I clearly just had a FarmerBrett moment :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Anyways, keep up the great work!

crap Alexus obviously still dont have the copy paste thing down lol

Mashy girl I knew what you meant. Its crazy my strength
(back) was like boom, hello im here to help, so yea the weight for RDLs keeps going up and hopefully my grip keeps progressing too. I love RDL cause i seem to be able to hold my arch good, and love to make that super burn feeling in hammies.

Snapper no worries I know I havent been doing this long, i started with the 5ft bar lol. i love the fact this conversation goes on, and im learning as i hear it all.

Germanome just knows i beat myself up when im not getting something, and the poor guy has to put up with me.Im willing to not be the best at something and am willing to stick it out learn and grow cause im having a fucking ball.

KMC and Null good explanation, and lord knows I need the VMO brought up.

MIM heyyy and thanks ~~~big wave

Alexus I love you because you are so “heady” like me, ha. I am more confident at the gym ,and I have always been a self conscious person and have had to step out of myself and see that taping myself for G and you all is way more important then what someone is thinking in the gym.

I seem to get some nods, and I could be wrong but I think the guys acknowledge im trying and just going for it. Ill have to post a few older pics.

Have I said you all are the best! Thanks so much for commenting and stopping in!!

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Well …just cause i stumbled on this pic from 1 1/2 yrs ago…