Aliens; Real or Not?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Why would anyone colonize the galaxy when it takes many many generations to make the crossing with no rest stops on the way? What would be the motivation?

Only a stupid creature would do such a thing and stupid creatures cannot invent space travel.

Why would the British colonize America?

Because they could do it in their lifetime.

They didn’t set sail thinking it would take 1000 years to get to America.

Imagine if we colonized the moon, and perhaps Mars. Once those populations got large enough, wouldn’t we want to expand further?

How?

Von Neumann probes, that´s how.

You realize that they have nothing to do with colonization and human transport don’t you? They are simply self replicating robot spaceships for exploration.

They still won’t get humans to other starsystems in their or their children’ children’s children’s lifetime.[/quote]

You could build von Neumann probes as seed ships.

And we would probably never know it, but mankind might survive a regional disaster like the annihilation of our solar system.

Ehhh, part of me just think “F it, we had a good run. Fun while it lasted.”

Unless some fantastic new discovery about the space time continuum and how to traverse it comes out of physics, coupled with wild advancements in human longevity, it will most likely remain impossible to travel further than a few planets over, and none of them are even remotely inhabitable.

Lets not forget a big ass asteroid could slam into us in a few thousand years, or a global climate shift that is not in our favor could occur(among other things), and none of us would have to worry about it.

Found this article day, interestingly enough:

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/t118421-japan-space/

Maybe the aliens that are out there are actually, other humans.
Scientists agree that the different ways matter can be arrange is a huge but finite number. If we live in an infinite universe that is ever expanding then the implication is that there are many versions of this world out there in space, where people are living exactly the same lives as we are, also it means that there are just as many versions of this world out there with different histories. This has to be the case if the universe is infinte since the arrangement of matter is an finite number, it follows that it will start repeating
So there may be worlds out there where they never discovered fire and are still in the stone age, and there may be worlds out there where they are far more advanced versions of ourselves.

[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Why would anyone colonize the galaxy when it takes many many generations to make the crossing with no rest stops on the way? What would be the motivation?

Only a stupid creature would do such a thing and stupid creatures cannot invent space travel.

Why would the British colonize America?

Because they could do it in their lifetime.

They didn’t set sail thinking it would take 1000 years to get to America.

Imagine if we colonized the moon, and perhaps Mars. Once those populations got large enough, wouldn’t we want to expand further?

How?

Von Neumann probes, that´s how.

You realize that they have nothing to do with colonization and human transport don’t you? They are simply self replicating robot spaceships for exploration.

They still won’t get humans to other starsystems in their or their children’ children’s children’s lifetime.

You could build von Neumann probes as seed ships.

And we would probably never know it, but mankind might survive a regional disaster like the annihilation of our solar system.

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Seeding what? Humans? You still have not addressed the issue of the short lifespan vs. the incredible distances that need to be crossed.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Why would anyone colonize the galaxy when it takes many many generations to make the crossing with no rest stops on the way? What would be the motivation?

Only a stupid creature would do such a thing and stupid creatures cannot invent space travel.

Why would the British colonize America?

Because they could do it in their lifetime.

They didn’t set sail thinking it would take 1000 years to get to America.

Imagine if we colonized the moon, and perhaps Mars. Once those populations got large enough, wouldn’t we want to expand further?

How?

Von Neumann probes, that´s how.

You realize that they have nothing to do with colonization and human transport don’t you? They are simply self replicating robot spaceships for exploration.

They still won’t get humans to other starsystems in their or their children’ children’s children’s lifetime.

You could build von Neumann probes as seed ships.

And we would probably never know it, but mankind might survive a regional disaster like the annihilation of our solar system.

Seeding what? Humans? You still have not addressed the issue of the short lifespan vs. the incredible distances that need to be crossed.

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You build a von Neumann probe as a seed ship. It has human DNA copies and building plans to turn itself into a giant incubator.

That requires technology we do not have yet, but it is at least thinkable that we develop such technologies.

Interesting. We can not travel faster than light simply because of the resources available to use at this time IMO. If we are able to visit other planets and thereby discover new resources to exploit perhaps this may be possible. If Aliens visited our planet they may see us as unimportant as ants, they may see our technology as no more advanced than the application of the wheel. So Earth may just be another anthill in the universe. Once we create a bang that can be seen in the cosmos, then if there is intelligent life beyond ours I’m sure they’ll take notice.

[quote]krebcycle wrote:
Maybe the aliens that are out there are actually, other humans.
Scientists agree that the different ways matter can be arrange is a huge but finite number. If we live in an infinite universe that is ever expanding then the implication is that there are many versions of this world out there in space, where people are living exactly the same lives as we are, also it means that there are just as many versions of this world out there with different histories. This has to be the case if the universe is infinte since the arrangement of matter is an finite number, it follows that it will start repeating
So there may be worlds out there where they never discovered fire and are still in the stone age, and there may be worlds out there where they are far more advanced versions of ourselves.

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I think this is usually brought up more in terms of a multiverse, where there are an infinite number of universes, and given those kinds of numbers it would be possible for that to occur.

I very sincerely doubt that there exists another planet that is JUST like ours in this universe. So many things would have to “go right” for that to happen the odds of it being the case would be mind boggling.

[quote]meangenes wrote:

Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14

Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.

Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up.

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as ‘little people who look strange to us.’

He said supposedly real-life ET’s were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is ‘not nearly as sophisticated’ as theirs and “had they been hostile”, he warned ‘we would be been gone by now’.

Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission.

‘I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we’ve been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,’ Dr Mitchell said.

'It’s been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it’s leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it.
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UFO theorists believe Roswell in New Mexico was the site of an alien crash in 1947

‘I’ve been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it’s been happening quite a bit.’

Dr Mitchell, who has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics claimed Roswell was real and similar alien visits continue to be investigated.

He told the astonished Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison: "This is really starting to open up. I think we’re headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction.’

Mr Margerrison said: ‘I thought I’d stumbled on some sort of astronaut humour but he was absolutely serious that aliens are definitely out there and there’s no debating it.’

Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down.

In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe.

‘Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.’

Is it becoming more prevalent in our society? With the aid of sciences such as physics and new explorations into not only different galaxies and solar systems but different dimensions. Is the probability now awaiting us?

This seems to be a pretty credible source and I don’t see why the guy needs to pull a publicity stunt.

The NASA spokesperson didn’t directly deny that contact has been made. They just stated that they didn’t share the same opinion.[/quote]

Sure, aliens have visited the earth many times and the government, who can’t do much of anything else right or agree on anything, was able to hide all these visits from the public for 60 years? Yeah, maybe they used the little memory eraser flashy thing they used on Men in Black!