Aliens Exist?

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Right, Fucking Einstein here just keeps getting smarter with every post. I really like his “rules” about not talking about something unless you know every minute fucking detail. And if something is only a theory, well there is no proof so it’s fucking useless to talk about it. Man, I wish this guy was around to set guys like Newton, Einstein, Galelieo, Edison, Tesla, among others straight. Those fuckers must have wasted A LOT of fucking time while they could have been being productive and you know, did what everyone else was doing and stop trying to be big shots or something. Priceless.

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You’re an angry little man aren’t ya? With a vegitarian name, I’d have thought you’d be rid of that red meat aggression lil guy.

I didn’t say they were rules. I basically said it’s a pretty whimsical discussion among a group that really doesn’t grasp theoretical physics who, by the way, are probably our most gifted intellectuals. Watching you flub around about gravity drives may appeal to some as a worthy discussion, but I just happen to see the folly in it. There is nothing worthless about qualified intellectuals having the discussion - your Einsteins and such, but the likes of Insurance Agent Extraordinaire Vegita talking about gravity drives is a bit like listening to two fifth graders argue over which Transformer can defeat the other, which I find utterly priceless. Or did I miss that advanced course on physics in the CPCU course?
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I find it rather disappointing that someone has to try to gain points on their feeling of intelligence by knocking others…pretty sad actually. However, I think that people without degrees and proper education as you put it are plenty worthy to talk about whatever the fuck they want. I know plenty of people that have a great grasp on the theories of how this ol’ universe ticks ( no degrees). I think Vegita has every right to get ruffled with someone who knocks their level of education on a subject while in the other hand they are holding their opinions quite high…might just be fun to shoot ideas and positive opinions off each other than go after what they do for a living huh?

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Did you know our radio waves emit into space?

Did you know that among the first radio signals to be picked up by extraterrestrial life would be coverage of Hitler and his regime? Yeah, aliens will jump at the chance to visit us.[/quote]

Or the Three Stooges…yeah, I see your point

[quote]Devil_Jacket wrote:
I find it rather disappointing that someone has to try to gain points on their feeling of intelligence by knocking others…pretty sad actually. However, I think that people without degrees and proper education as you put it are plenty worthy to talk about whatever the fuck they want. I know plenty of people that have a great grasp on the theories of how this ol’ universe ticks ( no degrees). I think Vegita has every right to get ruffled with someone who knocks their level of education on a subject while in the other hand they are holding their opinions quite high…might just be fun to shoot ideas and positive opinions off each other than go after what they do for a living huh?

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Sorry if I don’t think a hillbilly on a harley giving the one finger salute isn’t qualified to talk intelligently about our most advanced concepts. By the way, I didn’t include myself in that qualified group either, even though it’s an interest of mine and I have read several books on the subject. The fact of the matter is that theoretical physics are so dumb downed for even a rather intelligent person to grasp, that this thread is rather optimistic to put it mildly. I didn’t knock on Veggie man’s intelligent, until he demonstrated it by using expletives and insults. My initial post merely pointed out that the subject matter here is far above most heads, even though we have some rather intelligent people here. If you do not fully understand the theories, any serious discussion of them is pretty damn whimsical. That’s all I was saying. Someone took it personal. I returned the favor. Next.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Devil_Jacket wrote:

So…you are basing what the rest of life in the universe does/can/possibly knows and does based on what we know here and now.

Absolutely fuckin’ brilliant…

No, not at all, which renders your reading comprehension absolutely fuckin brilliant. Given the lack of reading comprehension, please don’t be offended if I doubt your ability to reasonably discuss theroetical physics and such. About the only physics I can be sure you grasp is that if I squat before you, and you attempt squat right after me, with the same weight, you will precipitate violently to the ground. Or, if you attempt to deadlift after me, the bar will not move. Those physics I’m sure you’re aquainted with. I’m just not as confident in your ability to discuss theoretical physics, comsmology and such. Clear?[/quote]

Clear? HA, dude you are fuckin’ priceless in stupidity. Now it goes to a you can’t lift as much as me…dude lame. What’s next my dad can squat your dad? I am not offended at all by you, I think you are quite the idiot frankly. Another supposed “thinker” that is smarter than the rest of anyone here and if you don’t think so ask him and he will tell you. Comes down to this…WHY can not just anybody talk about physics, cosmology, nerf footballs and coke whores without your blessing?

Sorry if I don’t think a hillbilly on a harley giving the one finger salute isn’t qualified to talk intelligently about our most advanced concepts.

and you know me how? excuse me? The state I live in currently has something to do with me being an uneducated hillbilly? Man, you become so much more transparent and angrier the more you try to elevate yourself. interesting…

[quote]Devil_Jacket wrote:
Clear? HA, dude you are fuckin’ priceless in stupidity. Now it goes to a you can’t lift as much as me…dude lame. What’s next my dad can squat your dad? I am not offended at all by you, I think you are quite the idiot frankly. Another supposed “thinker” that is smarter than the rest of anyone here and if you don’t think so ask him and he will tell you. Comes down to this…WHY can not just anybody talk about physics, cosmology, nerf footballs and coke whores without your blessing?[/quote]

No, it wasn’t a penis measuring statement. It was a simple physics lesson for a simple man. But you failed to comprehend the analogy and it’s clear that you can only be communicated to with plain speak which, by the way, makes it abundantly clear that you’re about as qualified to discuss theoretical physics as a blind man is to describe color. There are many very very bright people here - you’re not among them. Anyone can discuss anything they like - I was just pointing out that it was a pretty fanciful discussion about things that are over most of our collective heads. You do not need my blessing. I was making an observation. Because in these discussions, there is some terrible “folk science”. Someone reads something about how things behave on a small scale for instance, and then extrapolate that incorrectly to large scales like travel. See? I’m over your head already.

[quote]Devil_Jacket wrote:
Sorry if I don’t think a hillbilly on a harley giving the one finger salute isn’t qualified to talk intelligently about our most advanced concepts.

and you know me how? excuse me? The state I live in currently has something to do with me being an uneducated hillbilly? Man, you become so much more transparent and angrier the more you try to elevate yourself. interesting…

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One of my very best friends lives in TN and I like to visit as often as I can. I love the State. I made the conclusion that you’re an uneducated hillbilly by a few things: your avatar, which is obviously you. Not a many educated man would portray himself publically riding a harley giving the finger but hell man, that’s the image you chose :slight_smile: Next, your reading comprehension is poor.

Finally, you have not yet written a single thing that would suggest above average intelligence. I’m not angry at all. I think you’re pretty amusing.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Devil_Jacket wrote:
Clear? HA, dude you are fuckin’ priceless in stupidity. Now it goes to a you can’t lift as much as me…dude lame. What’s next my dad can squat your dad? I am not offended at all by you, I think you are quite the idiot frankly. Another supposed “thinker” that is smarter than the rest of anyone here and if you don’t think so ask him and he will tell you. Comes down to this…WHY can not just anybody talk about physics, cosmology, nerf footballs and coke whores without your blessing?

No, it wasn’t a penis measuring statement. It was a simple physics lesson for a simple man. But you failed to comprehend the analogy and it’s clear that you can only be communicated to with plain speak which, by the way, makes it abundantly clear that you’re about as qualified to discuss theoretical physics as a blind man is to describe color. There are many very very bright people here - you’re not among them. Anyone can discuss anything they like - I was just pointing out that it was a pretty fanciful discussion about things that are over most of our collective heads. You do not need my blessing. I was making an observation. Because in these discussions, there is some terrible “folk science”. Someone reads something about how things behave on a small scale for instance, and then extrapolate that incorrectly to large scales like travel. See? I’m over your head already.
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Not over my head at all, the manner in which I chose to speak to you is not an indicator of my level of thinking, education or qualifications. It is merely how I “chose” to. In all of your “obeservations” as you so put it, you did nothing of the sort. Observation does not involve input ( which I am sure a man of your great intellectual stature knows). Whether you chose to say so or not, the entire negative manner which you came into the discussion on is what created the situation currently. You came off intentionally/ unintentionally ( who knows ) as we don’t know enough to even grasp the farthest simpletons explanation of the universe so shut up about it. That and using terminology to describe any person posting so far to be “jerking off” mentally to even attempt it. Dude, just go on and let people toss around whatever idea they wish and quit being the ever condescending one already. It’s attitudes and people like you that would all still have us working by the firelight that was accidentally started.

If that profound and insightful posting constitutes the “last word” I’ll happily let you have it so everyone can have the thread back.

One correction; theoretical physics is absolutely over your (and mine) head no matter how many pop science books you or I have read about it.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Devil_Jacket wrote:
Sorry if I don’t think a hillbilly on a harley giving the one finger salute isn’t qualified to talk intelligently about our most advanced concepts.

and you know me how? excuse me? The state I live in currently has something to do with me being an uneducated hillbilly? Man, you become so much more transparent and angrier the more you try to elevate yourself. interesting…

One of my very best friends lives in TN and I like to visit as often as I can. I love the State. I made the conclusion that you’re an uneducated hillbilly by a few things: your avatar, which is obviously you. Not a many educated man would portray himself publically riding a harley giving the finger but hell man, that’s the image you chose :slight_smile: Next, your reading comprehension is poor.

Finally, you have not yet written a single thing that would suggest above average intelligence. I’m not angry at all. I think you’re pretty amusing.[/quote]

Wow the lengths you will go to to degrade people is fantastic. I would BY FAR rather be a dumb ole boy who can’t think good, who at least has some fucking decency. The assumptions you make are really fucking sick, because I’m an insurance agent, that precludes me from having knowledge outside my field of work? If I didn’t learn it in a CIC course I therefore cannot have picked it up elswhere? Where do you come up with this shit?

Also let me know when T-Nation turned into a Theoretical Physics message board. If we want to throw out some pie in the sky concepts without being able to rationally discuss the science behind how the supposed devices work using complex math equations in Get A Life OFF TOPIC, please excuse our simpleton ways. I forgot the science police were here monitoring us to make sure we didn’t discuss anything with more complexity than the wheel, or possibly a lever. Man, I would continue to call you funny names for the comedic benefit it would provide the forums, but… Na nevermind. You are a fag, go suck a dick popsicle.

V

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
One correction; theoretical physics is absolutely over your (and mine) head no matter how many pop science books you or I have read about it. [/quote]

That I agree with…

[quote]Vegita wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
Vegita wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Gravity drives may be science fiction at this point, but a lot of science fiction has already come true, so i’m not ruling out gravity drives for WAY faster than light travel. The basic concept is you have several strong gravity generators on your ship and you use one to create a gravitational field around the ship similar to earth gravity.

You will feel like you are standing on the surface of the earth and even if the ship moves or changes direction, your whole field is moving so you still only feel the gravity field of the ship, and thus don’t fall over or get splattered to the back of the ship during accelleration. Then with your other gravity generators, you point them in the direction you want to go and because the theory is that gravity propogates at several billion times the speed of light or some other such figure it’s basically instant transport along great distances.

When you read the above you might wonder what exactly it means. Basically you create a black tunnel, or a wormhole like structure, as you move towards the gravity out in front of you you are accellerating towards it at a rate, the gravity generators are moving towards it also so the point of reference stays out in front of the ship, thus you just continually accelerate towards the point and the point keeps moving.

Very shortly the gravity stacks up and becomes so great that light cannot escape or something like that and you make a tunnel through to your path, it’s basically like falling into your own black hole but you own gravity shield protects you from the effects of the outsde forces. Once you turn off the gravity generators your ship just stops. Or perhaps there is a reverse function that slows you down I’m not sure how that would work.

Apparently these gravity drives theories can explain the rediculous acceleration and change of direction capabilities of UFO’s people see. There are even some websites who claim to know exactly how the technology works, and given enough of a specific element, 115 I believe, claim to be able to make such a drive. I think there is also a GE patent on the technology, so it seems like it is a little more concrete than just science fiction.

Also DMT interests me a lot. It is a very interesting chemical and I would not mind experiencing it’s effects.

V

Actually, it has been found that gravity moves at the speed of light.(approximately)

I just realised that I’m a friggin’ pessimist who likes to burst bubbles.

No, No it doesn’t, thats what textbooks and teachers pass off as fact when in reality, common sense and a little math prove that it is “instant”. Here, this says it better than I can.

http://www.metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp

V

You link, I link as well
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/grav_speed.html

Those concepts are a little over my head. BUT from what I can tell, they said. The newtonian model is that gravity is “instant” but besed on the relative math, since electromagnetic forces behave a certain way, they can just compare that to gravity and say thats also how gravity behaves? Then they state that no direct testing can be achieved at this point. So thiers is still just a theory, just as my origional link is. It looks as if the theories the relative model uses is elegant, complex and has some holes, whereas the newtonian model is simple and understandable with little or no holes. Either way, I’m not sold that gravity does not propogate nearly “instantly” or at least orders of magnitude faster than light speed. I’m also not sure I am willing to do years worth of learning advanced math and physics to understand thier point. It should be able to be explained more simply.

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Lets get this stuff back on track.

Anyway, I don’t believe in instant it’s a stupid word. “Instant coffee” not instant.

Newtonian physics is supposedly outdated physics from what I’ve read. Also your absolutely correct it should be able to be explained more simply.

When we actually get near the truth it will be a lot more simple, the idea of making yourself a sandwich is ridiculously complicated until you actually know how to make a sandwich it is then simple!

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
One correction; theoretical physics is absolutely over your (and mine) head no matter how many pop science books you or I have read about it. [/quote]

I’m assuming you mean the math, because the concepts can be handled quite easily by many people who for one reason or another, didn’t decide to dedicate thier life to learning the math. Could I have gained that knowledge if that was the path I chose? I am pretty sure I could have. So I hardly think someone is smarter than I am because they chose to take a different path of study.

V

[quote]BruceLeeFan wrote:
Vegita wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
Vegita wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Gravity drives may be science fiction at this point, but a lot of science fiction has already come true, so i’m not ruling out gravity drives for WAY faster than light travel. The basic concept is you have several strong gravity generators on your ship and you use one to create a gravitational field around the ship similar to earth gravity.

You will feel like you are standing on the surface of the earth and even if the ship moves or changes direction, your whole field is moving so you still only feel the gravity field of the ship, and thus don’t fall over or get splattered to the back of the ship during accelleration. Then with your other gravity generators, you point them in the direction you want to go and because the theory is that gravity propogates at several billion times the speed of light or some other such figure it’s basically instant transport along great distances.

When you read the above you might wonder what exactly it means. Basically you create a black tunnel, or a wormhole like structure, as you move towards the gravity out in front of you you are accellerating towards it at a rate, the gravity generators are moving towards it also so the point of reference stays out in front of the ship, thus you just continually accelerate towards the point and the point keeps moving.

Very shortly the gravity stacks up and becomes so great that light cannot escape or something like that and you make a tunnel through to your path, it’s basically like falling into your own black hole but you own gravity shield protects you from the effects of the outsde forces. Once you turn off the gravity generators your ship just stops. Or perhaps there is a reverse function that slows you down I’m not sure how that would work.

Apparently these gravity drives theories can explain the rediculous acceleration and change of direction capabilities of UFO’s people see. There are even some websites who claim to know exactly how the technology works, and given enough of a specific element, 115 I believe, claim to be able to make such a drive. I think there is also a GE patent on the technology, so it seems like it is a little more concrete than just science fiction.

Also DMT interests me a lot. It is a very interesting chemical and I would not mind experiencing it’s effects.

V

Actually, it has been found that gravity moves at the speed of light.(approximately)

I just realised that I’m a friggin’ pessimist who likes to burst bubbles.

No, No it doesn’t, thats what textbooks and teachers pass off as fact when in reality, common sense and a little math prove that it is “instant”. Here, this says it better than I can.

http://www.metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp

V

You link, I link as well
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/grav_speed.html

Those concepts are a little over my head. BUT from what I can tell, they said. The newtonian model is that gravity is “instant” but besed on the relative math, since electromagnetic forces behave a certain way, they can just compare that to gravity and say thats also how gravity behaves? Then they state that no direct testing can be achieved at this point. So thiers is still just a theory, just as my origional link is. It looks as if the theories the relative model uses is elegant, complex and has some holes, whereas the newtonian model is simple and understandable with little or no holes. Either way, I’m not sold that gravity does not propogate nearly “instantly” or at least orders of magnitude faster than light speed. I’m also not sure I am willing to do years worth of learning advanced math and physics to understand thier point. It should be able to be explained more simply.

V

Lets get this stuff back on track.

Anyway, I don’t believe in instant it’s a stupid word. “Instant coffee” not instant.

Newtonian physics is supposedly outdated physics from what I’ve read. Also your absolutely correct it should be able to be explained more simply.

When we actually get near the truth it will be a lot more simple, the idea of making yourself a sandwich is ridiculously complicated until you actually know how to make a sandwich it is then simple!

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Right, Instant is just used in the place of “a billion or so times faster than the speed of light”. If you took that speed and traveled in a direction for a year, the destination would not have been reached instantly, but you would be pretty far from your starting point. Actually, I’m not sure I should even be discussing this with you. The science police may be monitoring what I know and don’t know and could call me stupid. Lets tread lightly on this topic for now.

V

[quote]Vegita wrote:
I’m assuming you mean the math, because the concepts can be handled quite easily by many people who for one reason or another, didn’t decide to dedicate thier life to learning the math. Could I have gained that knowledge if that was the path I chose? I am pretty sure I could have. So I hardly think someone is smarter than I am because they chose to take a different path of study.

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It’s pretty clear you are unaware of just how far they dumb it down in these pop physics books popular today. And if you believe it’s only the math that separates you from being a physicist, you’re off your meds.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Vegita wrote:
I’m assuming you mean the math, because the concepts can be handled quite easily by many people who for one reason or another, didn’t decide to dedicate thier life to learning the math. Could I have gained that knowledge if that was the path I chose? I am pretty sure I could have. So I hardly think someone is smarter than I am because they chose to take a different path of study.

V

It’s pretty clear you are unaware of just how far they dumb it down in these pop physics books popular today. And if you believe it’s only the math that separates you from being a physicist, you’re off your meds.

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I’m not on any meds, there you go making silly assumptions again. What did you go to college for? Assuming? Are you like an estimator or something?

V

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Na nevermind. You are a fag, go suck a dick popsicle.

V[/quote]

OMG, signs of intelligent life. What grown man calls another man a “fag”? I don’t think I’ve been called a fag by anyone since grade school. Are you 14? Suck a dick popsicle? LOL.

The whole point lil guy, is that if you do not comprehend the underlying concepts, it’s ultimately a pretty meaningless and uninformed discussion. If you cannot understand that basic premise, that’s your problem. It’s why something like a gravity drive excites you when we do not even understand gravity or have identified the particle associated with it, if it even exists. It’s like 12 years olds discussing the coverage grant and exclusions of a homeowners policy. Sure, they could ramble about what they overheard their daddy say is covered or excluded, but they’d be misinformed at the end of the day. It has nothing to do with the science police.

[quote]Vegita wrote:

I’m not on any meds, there you go making silly assumptions again. What did you go to college for? Assuming? Are you like an estimator or something?

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What I do for a living is irrelevant. Neither of us is qualified to have a meaningful intelligent discussion about theoretical physics. The foregoing includes about 99% of the population. I have many business interests; estimating and theoretical physics is not among them, although physics is an interest. I know enough about TP to know that we’re not qualified to have the discussion.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Na nevermind. You are a fag, go suck a dick popsicle.

V

OMG, signs of intelligent life. What grown man calls another man a “fag”? I don’t think I’ve been called a fag by anyone since grade school. Are you 14? Suck a dick popsicle? LOL.

The whole point lil guy, is that if you do not comprehend the underlying concepts, it’s ultimately a pretty meaningless and uninformed discussion. If you cannot understand that basic premise, that’s your problem. It’s why something like a gravity drive excites you when we do not even understand gravity or have identified the particle associated with it, if it even exists. It’s like 12 years olds discussing the coverage grant and exclusions of a homeowners policy. Sure, they could ramble about what they overheard their daddy say is covered or excluded, but they’d be misinformed at the end of the day. It has nothing to do with the science police.
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What did you say science police? All of that was way over my head. All I heard was bla bla bla bla that, bla bla bla bla it’s, bla bla bla bla is, bla bla bla bla day. Can you dumb that last thing you wrote down a little for me? Thanks “Big Guy”.

P.S. I’m glad you thought my name calling was funny, that is the purpose, I like humor, it’s funny, calling you a poop filled sack of used condoms is funny to me.

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