[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
idk, he didnt even look like he was on. i mean, hes not a skinny dude but he doesnt look like hes juicing either, so id say he coulda done exactly the same w/ a decent training program.
if youre going to use steroids at least look like you use em.[/quote]
He was only on primo, and he wasnt on very long.
I doubt if he saw more than 2-3 pounds from the whole time he took it.
Primo is pretty weak by itself.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
idk, he didnt even look like he was on. i mean, hes not a skinny dude but he doesnt look like hes juicing either, so id say he coulda done exactly the same w/ a decent training program.
if youre going to use steroids at least look like you use em.
He was only on primo, and he wasnt on very long.
I doubt if he saw more than 2-3 pounds from the whole time he took it.
Primo is pretty weak by itself.
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so i dont get what the big deal is. besides, AAS doesnt make you good at baseball by itself. i cant do a cycle of test and suddenly be the leauge MVP basically you have to be good to start with, steroids will make you stronger but in a sport like baseball where strength isnt even as major a factor as skill i dont see why everyone has their panties in a bunch, especially when this guy isnt even big. its not like he was cracking out homeruns cause he gained 20 pounds of muscle and has forearms like bowling pins all of a sudden.
the situation just bothers me because it gets so much attention because of idiots who think that as soon as you take anything youre all of a sudden superhuman.
i honestly think this guy would display better athleticism by having a 5 hour energy shot before a game than by taking steroids because he’ll be more alert and have more energy and focus better whereas with steroids (weak ones at that) he will gain some strength but that doesnt make him better at seeing and catching balls. sport specifically 5 hour energy trumps low dose steroids, is that cheating?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
idk, he didnt even look like he was on. i mean, hes not a skinny dude but he doesnt look like hes juicing either, so id say he coulda done exactly the same w/ a decent training program.
if youre going to use steroids at least look like you use em.
He was only on primo, and he wasnt on very long.
I doubt if he saw more than 2-3 pounds from the whole time he took it.
Primo is pretty weak by itself.
so i dont get what the big deal is. besides, AAS doesnt make you good at baseball by itself. i cant do a cycle of test and suddenly be the leauge MVP basically you have to be good to start with, steroids will make you stronger but in a sport like baseball where strength isnt even as major a factor as skill i dont see why everyone has their panties in a bunch, especially when this guy isnt even big. its not like he was cracking out homeruns cause he gained 20 pounds of muscle and has forearms like bowling pins all of a sudden.
the situation just bothers me because it gets so much attention because of idiots who think that as soon as you take anything youre all of a sudden superhuman.
i honestly think this guy would display better athleticism by having a 5 hour energy shot before a game than by taking steroids because he’ll be more alert and have more energy and focus better whereas with steroids (weak ones at that) he will gain some strength but that doesnt make him better at seeing and catching balls. sport specifically 5 hour energy trumps low dose steroids, is that cheating? [/quote]
I haven’t read or heard exactly what he took because I really don’t give a shit, but if juicing is against the rules, it IS cheating, regardless of how little it does for an athlete.
Also, there’s plenty of reasons to juice. Strength. The strength to turn warning track outs into home runs. The strength to throw out a runner from the deep outfield. The strength to run a little faster and outrun the throw to base. Recovery, both from day to day playing and from injuries. Longevity. The ability to keep playing at a high level when skills would normally deteriorate.
but what good is strength if you dont have the energy to use it?
im not so sure its cheating anyway. i mean, he isnt changing the rules of the game or anything like that. you could say that “no steroids are a rule of the game” but im talking about the game of baseball itself, it isnt like hes going around changing a fundamental rule like stealing first or something.
the guy took some steroids, which didnt even do shit for him, again, who gives a shit if the whole anti-steroid thing in baseball is to keep the things even? he didnt increase his athleticism magically by taking steroids, as i mentioned they dont make you a better baseball player by making you magically good at baseball. he doesnt have any superior size which is what you need from steroids to get any benefit out of.
i wish all this shit would go away, its pointless, wont stop anyone from taking steroids, and only further blackballs steroids themselves in the public eye (well is that even possible anymore)
im kind of ambivelent about the whole thing even with what i said above because its like A-Rod, you fucking jackass, you piece of fucking shit, you just stirred up the same shitstorm from Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds and Jose Canseco all fucking over again and next thing you know the media is going to run w/ it and there will be 20 stories on the harm of steroids and more idiots will be spouting off at the mouth about how awful steroids are and how bad people who take them are and it pisses me off because a lot of people i look up to take steroids and steroids are an inevitable part of the lifestyle i live so obviously its to my concern what societys general consensus is.
my problem isnt with a-rod, or baseball, i dont give a shit about either one i just care about its transition into society because we’re all part of society even if we could give a fuck about baseball.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
but what good is strength if you dont have the energy to use it?[/quote]
Why do you think he wouldn’t have energy? Do you mean that steroids decrease a person’s energy levels or something else?
Of course it’s cheating. No athelete has the ability to change the rules of any sport he is playing. The argument one could make is that because steroids were not explicitly banned that he did not break any rules. Using PED’s when it is expected that everyone is supposed to be playing ‘naturally’ most certainly constitutes cheating.
That’s silly. How you know he didn’t get any benefits. If he used primo/test on and off for 3 years or possibly for 3 years continuously he most certainly saw benefits even if he was using very low doses. Using only 250mg/wk of testosterone will greatly improve recovery. Recovery is huge is a sport that plays as many games as baseball. Actually I’d say the recovery aspect is by far the most important effect baseball players seek while using.
I’m not sure what “superior size” has to do with benefits from steroids. The guys with the biggest muscles are not necessarily the strongest guys. How big someone gets depends solely on how much they eat. You can do a cycle of almost any steroid and make massive strength gains, while eating maintanence calories. That is a fact. Baseball players have no need to grow. Getting stronger, however, is very desirable.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
but what good is strength if you dont have the energy to use it?[/quote]
What? He’s already a professional athlete. I think he has the “energy” to last a game or two.
No one really knows what it did or didn’t do for him. For all anyone knows, he could have been juicing since high school. Am I supposed to just take his word?
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i wish all this shit would go away, its pointless, wont stop anyone from taking steroids, and only further blackballs steroids themselves in the public eye (well is that even possible anymore)[/quote]
I basically agree with you here.
Steroids should definitely be banned from sports.
I have no problem with steroid usage at all. I just don’t think a person should have to take drugs to be competitive in a sport and if steroids are allowed, that WILL happen. Then it will be the college level. Next thing you know, 16 year old boys will be injecting themselves to make the cut. Then the coaches will start peer pressuring them into doing it.
Not like a person has to take steroids to get massive and powerful anyways.
Some of you steroid users are biased to this point of view. Not everybody wants to use.
the energy comparison wasnt about natural energy it was about something like a redbull or 5hour energy versus steroids. i was saying that in baseball something that makes you more alert and improves your reflexivity is going to be more beneficial than steroids, esp. weak ones.
when i say arod didnt get shit form his steroids its on a general scale. he doesnt look like someone who uses, you should look like you use before you use, this guy was on and doesnt even look jacked. so obviously he didnt get much out of them or else he has the natural musculature capacity of a 12 year old girl scout.
i dont care if you guys retort or not, i just wanted to clear up what i was saying.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when i say arod didnt get shit form his steroids its on a general scale. he doesnt look like someone who uses, you should look like you use before you use, this guy was on and doesnt even look jacked. so obviously he didnt get much out of them or else he has the natural musculature capacity of a 12 year old girl scout.
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You’re not making much sense here. Why would a baseball player care about being jacked? He makes his money playing baseball, not from double bicep poses. If he takes a PERFORMANCE Enhancing Drug, I would hope he’s looking to improve his performance, not his V-taper. Come on, think about what you’re saying.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when i say arod didnt get shit form his steroids its on a general scale. he doesnt look like someone who uses, you should look like you use before you use, this guy was on and doesnt even look jacked. so obviously he didnt get much out of them or else he has the natural musculature capacity of a 12 year old girl scout.
You’re not making much sense here. Why would a baseball player care about being jacked? He makes his money playing baseball, not from double bicep poses. If he takes a PERFORMANCE Enhancing Drug, I would hope he’s looking to improve his performance, not his V-taper. Come on, think about what you’re saying.
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but androgens dont make your reflexes faster, so hitting a ball, catching a ball, throwing it more accurately, those wont come from steroids - but they can come from neural improvements through strength and muscle training so if this guy doesnt look like he has much of either i wouldnt assume that these drugs really took him anywhere (if at all) past his natural athletic abilities.
which just makes him look like even more of an idiot because he got caught using drugs that didnt even do anything for him, bravo arod. woulda been better off w NO Xplode.
who cares, everyone uses it.
Barry Bonds… Hello!!!
Its a boring sport anyways, gotta make it more exciting one way or the other.
[quote]aznt0rk wrote:
who cares, everyone uses it.
Barry Bonds… Hello!!!
Its a boring sport anyways, gotta make it more exciting one way or the other.[/quote]
lol seriously baseball sucks.
id rather watch re-runs of Nick Arcade
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
when i say arod didnt get shit form his steroids its on a general scale. he doesnt look like someone who uses, you should look like you use before you use, this guy was on and doesnt even look jacked. so obviously he didnt get much out of them or else he has the natural musculature capacity of a 12 year old girl scout.
You’re not making much sense here. Why would a baseball player care about being jacked? He makes his money playing baseball, not from double bicep poses. If he takes a PERFORMANCE Enhancing Drug, I would hope he’s looking to improve his performance, not his V-taper. Come on, think about what you’re saying.
but androgens dont make your reflexes faster, so hitting a ball, catching a ball, throwing it more accurately, those wont come from steroids[/quote] How do you know? True maybe science hasn’t studied this, but so far everybody who has been caught using has been better at all of the above so maybe it does.
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which just makes him look like even more of an idiot because he got caught using drugs that didnt even do anything for him, bravo arod. woulda been better off w NO Xplode.[/quote]
These drugs did alot for him, it would be hard for you to understand because your young. The improvements he made are natural for a 21 year old, however after a certain age overuse injuries become more prevalent. Except in people that can stay young, steriods can help keep the body young. A-Rod would likely still hit HR’s and make big plays, but he only would’ve been able to make half of them. Gaining 10lbs of muscle at 23 in a summer is not record shattering, but 10lbs of muscle in one summer at 30 or close to 30 is another story.
The problem with roids is the people that support them and the ones that get caught always act like they didn’t help. If A-Rod is going to act like he only did it in 2003, that he didn’t need it and he is just as good without it then what was the whole point in taking steriods?
[quote]aznt0rk wrote:
who cares, everyone uses it.
Barry Bonds… Hello!!!
Its a boring sport anyways, gotta make it more exciting one way or the other.[/quote]
This is sarcasm right?
I guess the thing is and what many analysts have said, all they care about is a level playing field. And if everyone is juicing, why can’t a rod?
[quote]Pluto wrote:
I guess the thing is and what many analysts have said, all they care about is a level playing field. And if everyone is juicing, why can’t a rod?[/quote]
lolololol
Level playing field? with Millions of dollars and signing bonus’ on the line?
lolololol
yeah right.
Even without roids theres corked bats.
Cheating works, just don’t get caught