[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
I can see that you chose the red pill Vegita, good…[/quote]
Yea, definately. I honestly hope I am never justified or made right. That would seriously be awsome. I just have this gut feeling that I am going to be justified pretty soon.
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Wow, good luck to you, man. Honestly, if I felt that way, I don’t think I’d ever leave the house. I would sit in the corner in the fetal position, shivering.
[quote]beeglee wrote:
Jews control the world.[/quote]
The Jews might not control the world, but they certainly have a high level of influence in Washington. Politicians who do not kowtow to the wishes of AIPAC can see campaign funds shrivel up while their opponents become extremely well financed.
Virtually all who wish to become successful politicians quickly learn that it is politically correct to align themselves with the military hardline faction of Israel. Anything else means political failure, despite polls which have always indicated Americans as well as American Israelis oppose the direction of our foreign policy.
On the topic of welfare, the US has, for decades, spent over 1,000 dollars per capita annually in economic and military aid to Israel.
[quote]beeglee wrote:
Wow, good luck to you, man. Honestly, if I felt that way, I don’t think I’d ever leave the house. I would sit in the corner in the fetal position, shivering.[/quote]
Well Hiding in the corner isn’t going to help avert any possible dissaster. I am working to get people who respect the constitution, and are honest moral people, not politicians into local and state offices. I am also trying to help other people who may only watch the MSM to get another side of the story, one the government doesn’t have a hand in portraying. For me and my current financial status, that is about all I can muster.
Storing food hasn’t been done yet, but I have goten my hunting license, I will be purchasing a bow and a shotgun soon. I am also having LASIk eye surgury. Having glasses could be a problem if society collapses and I can no longer get new glasses when mine inevidably break. Being unable to see clearly isn’t condusive to surviving. My next step is to buy a farmhouse out in the country, that way I can partially or wholly live off my own means. If or when the grocery stores have no food or very limited food, I should be able to provide for my family.
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[quote]Gael wrote:
beeglee wrote:
Jews control the world.
The Jews might not control the world, but they certainly have a high level of influence in Washington. Politicians who do not kowtow to the wishes of AIPAC can see campaign funds shrivel up while their opponents become extremely well financed. Virtually all who wish to become successful politicians quickly learn that it is politically correct to align themselves with the military hardline faction of Israel. Anything else means political failure, despite polls which have always indicated Americans as well as American Israelis oppose the direction of our foreign policy.
On the topic of welfare, the US has, for decades, spent over 1,000 dollars per capital annually in economic and military aid to Israel.[/quote]
It’s becoming painfully obvious why a lot of the liberals on this site have such an affinity for Islam. Islam has an astonishing Jew paranoia and so do a lot of liberals. Everything is the fault of the Zionists (Jews). Oh, right, right. You’re not against the Jews, just the Zionist ones. And the ones with a lot of money and influence, and the ones in Hollywood, and…
Our foreign are all to make the world safe for Israel and the Jew. We must hate the Jew.
For those of you who think “only kooks and crazys think 9-11 was covered up” please check these guys out. The group name is Architects & Engineers for 9-11 truth. They have 486 professionals in the building industry who say that the collapses that happened on 9-11 were controlled demolitions. To date there have been 3 “official” reports as to why the buildings collapsed. You may ask why there is 3 official reports? Because the first report was debunked by people in the building industry, that is architects and engineers as being impossible. The second one was also found to be utterly false. The third and for now final report blames the collapse on “thermal expansion” which according to the people who said the first two theories were garbage, also say this one is complete garbage. So as to date, we have 2 building collapse reports that have been thrown out. And we have a 3rd report that is called garbage, by the same people who forced the first two to be thrown out. Alex jones didn’t make this up, he just reported on it and interviewed the people who commented on the report. The MSM does not report on this. Why not?
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
For those of you who think “only kooks and crazys think 9-11 was covered up” please check these guys out. The group name is Architects & Engineers for 9-11 truth. They have 486 professionals in the building industry who say that the collapses that happened on 9-11 were controlled demolitions.
To date there have been 3 “official” reports as to why the buildings collapsed. You may ask why there is 3 official reports? Because the first report was debunked by people in the building industry, that is architects and engineers as being impossible.
The second one was also found to be utterly false. The third and for now final report blames the collapse on “thermal expansion” which according to the people who said the first two theories were garbage, also say this one is complete garbage.
So as to date, we have 2 building collapse reports that have been thrown out. And we have a 3rd report that is called garbage, by the same people who forced the first two to be thrown out.
Alex jones didn’t make this up, he just reported on it and interviewed the people who commented on the report. The MSM does not report on this. Why not?
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Please provide a direct link to the three “OFFICIAL” reports.
Ok but bear with me, it might take me a little bit.
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Well here is the official site with links to all thier 9-11 reports. As you can see there are many revisions, Many of which were claimed by the MSM and members of the government to be (the definative report).
Each one was supposed to close the door for good on the conspiracy theorists. Except that they kept having to revise and update because they were getting called out that thier reports were garbage.
I heard there were 3 official reports, maybe thats how many times they went to congress with one of these updates? Who knows.
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Of course you could just save yourself a bunch of time going through huge documents that were designed to bore the hell out of anyone interested. The site I gave for ae911truth hashes out all the important parts of the reports and explains the fallacies of thier findings.
Of course if you don’t trust 486 architects and engineers who know much much more about building constructionand function than either of us ever will, then by all means read through the reports.
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Well here is the official site with links to all thier 9-11 reports. As you can see there are many revisions, Many of which were claimed by the MSM and members of the government to be (the definative report).
Each one was supposed to close the door for good on the conspiracy theorists. Except that they kept having to revise and update because they were getting called out that thier reports were garbage.
I heard there were 3 official reports, maybe thats how many times they went to congress with one of these updates? Who knows.
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NIST has only released two official reports. For buildings 1 and 2, and WTC 7. The WTC 7 public draft was only released last month, I believe. None of those have been “debunked” and replaced. What a bunch of nonsense. Right off the bat, you get a major fact completely wrong.
Don’t tell me you’re counting progress reports…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Well here is the official site with links to all thier 9-11 reports. As you can see there are many revisions, Many of which were claimed by the MSM and members of the government to be (the definative report).
Each one was supposed to close the door for good on the conspiracy theorists. Except that they kept having to revise and update because they were getting called out that thier reports were garbage.
I heard there were 3 official reports, maybe thats how many times they went to congress with one of these updates? Who knows.
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NIST has only released two official reports. For buildings 1 and 2, and WTC 7. The WTC 7 public draft was only released last month, I believe. None of those have been “debunked” and replaced. What a bunch of nonsense. Right off the bat, you get a major fact completely wrong. [/quote]
You believe? What makes you believe that? When I go to look at the NIST site that I just gave you I see more than 2 reports. Either you can’t count, or you didn’t even bother to go to the site.
Look, you can sit here and claim victory over me if you want, why don’t you grow some balls and debate one of the architects from ae911truth? Lets see if your little smart ass comments can hold up against someone who spends a ton of time researching this.
I really don’t have the time or desire to debate someone who won’t even look at my evidence objectively. If you sent me a link to something I would at least have the decency to go check it out before I unloaded on you for being a dipshit.
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Well here is the official site with links to all thier 9-11 reports. As you can see there are many revisions, Many of which were claimed by the MSM and members of the government to be (the definative report).
Each one was supposed to close the door for good on the conspiracy theorists. Except that they kept having to revise and update because they were getting called out that thier reports were garbage.
I heard there were 3 official reports, maybe thats how many times they went to congress with one of these updates? Who knows.
V
NIST has only released two official reports. For buildings 1 and 2, and WTC 7. The WTC 7 public draft was only released last month, I believe. None of those have been “debunked” and replaced. What a bunch of nonsense. Right off the bat, you get a major fact completely wrong.
You believe? What makes you believe that? When I go to look at the NIST site that I just gave you I see more than 2 reports. Either you can’t count, or you didn’t even bother to go to the site.
Look, you can sit here and claim victory over me if you want, why don’t you grow some balls and debate one of the architects from ae911truth? Lets see if your little smart ass comments can hold up against someone who spends a ton of time researching this.
I really don’t have the time or desire to debate someone who won’t even look at my evidence objectively. If you sent me a link to something I would at least have the decency to go check it out before I unloaded on you for being a dipshit.
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Directly link the three official reports. Can you, or can you not do that? Yes, or no.
Edit: And yep, apparently you’re counting progress reports, as “official” reports on how the buildings collapsed. Lord help us.
I could show the guy a video of one of the buildings collapsing (through the impact zone) inward exactly within the impact zone, and he’d swear demolitions were going off. And the video exists.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I could show the guy a video of one of the buildings collapsing (through the impact zone) inward exactly within the impact zone, and he’d swear demolitions were going off. And the video exists.[/quote]
You are a blowhard.
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I could show the guy a video of one of the buildings collapsing (through the impact zone) inward exactly within the impact zone, and he’d swear demolitions were going off. And the video exists.
You are a blowhard.
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Clear video of the left side buckling in and down within the impact zone. The portion of the building right above comes down through the collapse. But sure, demolitions.
Another video.
So, I backed up my claim, but I’m still waiting on you. And who is now the blowhard?
I’m as yet undecided, being from Canada the government didn’t force us to be “with us or against us”… so I’m reading both of your arguments. I did look at some pictures recently and I’m confused about some things.
If you look at the picture, you can see the metal structure literally mushrooming outward from the collapse.
There’s no amount of “air pressure” that will push 3000lbs of steel outward like that… and that big piece is at least 10 tons and is VERY far out.
If I just look at this picture independent of 9/11, and just examine it as an isolated picture… I would assume there are bombs going off. Now if I’ve been told that the roof just collapsed inwards, I’m still skeptical because of all that metal being pushed outwards.
I guess I’m being convinced of the conspiracy?
edit* can someone explain how to post pictures on this forum?