Alex Jones?

[quote]beeglee wrote:
One can’t really disprove most conspiracy theories, so really you are left with a choice to believe or not, based on your inclinations. I’m not familiar with Alex Jones, but I bet he despised the US government long before 9-11, and I suspect he instantly “knew” the US government did it.

There’s one conspiracy theory about 9-11 I do believe. I believe a cabal of jihadists secretly plotted and carried it out, and I’ve seen lots of documentaries and articles to support it.

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So you admit you have no idea what you are talking about. This could be real hard evidence, but you are happy to just lump it together with all other conspiracy theories because you are too lazy, or sure, to go watch something free on the internet.

This is the mindset I do not understand. If someone told you to walk a hundered yards, lift op a large rock and there would be a peice of gold under it, regardless of how credible the guy looked, wouldn’t you at least go do it? I mean for how simple the amount of effort, the reward could be huge. I mean I tend to go and watch all these things, fakes or nuts or not and I agree that the majority of the stuff I have ever read or seen, is probably fake, or at least totally unprovable. This one was different, and weather you believe me or not matters little. If you watch Terrorstorm of loose change, you can know for yourself if it is credible or not.

V

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
For the record I wouldn’t even accuse an Obama/Biden administration of something like this.

Record noted. Who cares? what if the evidence is there? Research the Golf of Tonkin, research project Northwoods. Know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

P.S. I’m glad you love your government as if they were infallable gods. Some of the greatest minds in the history of this planet have warned us of what power does to men, thats all these guys are is men with nearly absolute power, yet you can’t for one instance believe they would ever misuse that power.

Throughout time, Leaders have persecuted, killed and tortured thier own people in the name of doing right. We can always look back and see that it was in fact not right, but someone gone off the deep end on a power trip. It’s like drugs to them, they don’t want money or women, they just want to wield that power.

For the record this is one of the reasons Mcain scares me so much, he is old and has been craving that ultimate power for a very long time. He is a scary old dude.

In any event, I re-urge any of you to go watch the documentaries. Please do it for yourself, not for me. If you can come back to me after and say you don’t at least have some doubts, then I will be amazed.

V[/quote]

You somehow interpolated mountains of content into my simple post that has been clearly demonstrated false by every syllable I’ve typed in this forum.

Your passion got the best of me. I have them downloading now. I will at least watch them when I get a chance.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever for any of these inside job theories, but I agree it can’t hurt to hear all sides.

Why do I have a feeling I’m gonna be sorry for this?

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Your passion got the best of me. I have them downloading now. I will at least watch them when I get a chance.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever for any of these inside job theories, but I agree it can’t hurt to hear all sides.

Why do I have a feeling I’m gonna be sorry for this?[/quote]

Thank you, Not for doing something I want you to do, something I think is vital to the awakening of the people who reside in this country. But for listening to that part of you that still is curious, that doesn’t want things spoon fed to them.

Just like your parents didn’t always tell you the whole story when you were growing up, The government is just like your parents and they do things “you wouldn’t understand” and therefore treat you like a child and either lie, or cover up the truth.

I hope you find the information compelling enough to come back here and give your opinion of it. Maybe others will follow suit, after all I wouldn’t have brought it up unless I thought people should watch it.

V

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Your passion got the best of me. I have them downloading now. I will at least watch them when I get a chance.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever for any of these inside job theories, but I agree it can’t hurt to hear all sides.

Why do I have a feeling I’m gonna be sorry for this?[/quote]

Alex Jones is a paranoid kook who cultivates paranoia in others by causing them to project their own mental problems on one conspiracy theory after another.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Your passion got the best of me. I have them downloading now. I will at least watch them when I get a chance.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever for any of these inside job theories, but I agree it can’t hurt to hear all sides.

Why do I have a feeling I’m gonna be sorry for this?

Alex Jones is a paranoid kook who cultivates paranoia in others by causing them to project their own mental problems on one conspiracy theory after another. [/quote]

Your opinion is so valuable. Thanks for sharing. now I’ll give mine.

Alex Jones is a guy who stumbled upon something a long time ago, I’m not sure what it was, but it pissed him off. For some reason he found something that led him to believe his government was lying to him. Since then, he has been on a mission to uncover any instance of the government lying to the people.

He has been doing this for so long, over 10 years now, that he has found some pretty significant peices of evidence. This is the value of what he does. He does also go above and beyone simple detective and attepmts to paint some big pictures.

Some of them may be pretty close to the realitiy, others may be a little more kooky. For instance, he has not convinced me that world leaders eat children at the bohemien grove thingy.

Bildeberg is very real though, and there are definately forces that are pushing us hard towards a world government. If a world government happens, then America cannot exist. That is why I listen to him and take in SOME of the information he uncovers. There aren’t many other people doing this so you kinda have to deal with his style if you want the info.

Why wouldn’t people want to do this? Well lets see, many get death threats or are killed, pretty simple, you don’t fuck with the people at the top and think nothing is going to happen to you. He has an extremely high profile, so they can’t openly kill him at this point, it would only cause the numbers of his followers to swell.

By the way, he called the housing collapse before it happened and he called the government bailing out and federalising banks before it happened, and I mean years before it happened. So take him being a kook with a grain of salt, don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

V

The problem with these conspiracies is that the people who believe them believe two things that are never true of any government:

  1. That the government can do anything right.

  2. That the government can keep a secret.

Veg, seriously? Alex Jones?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Veg, seriously? Alex Jones?[/quote]

Has he gone downhill just recently? Was he different before?

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Veg, seriously? Alex Jones?

Has he gone downhill just recently? Was he different before? [/quote]

Veg is cool. He seems off the deepend lately.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Veg, seriously? Alex Jones?

Has he gone downhill just recently? Was he different before?

Veg is cool. He seems off the deepend lately. [/quote]

Huh.

Anyways, I just browsed through some of the comments over on Jones’ site. There’s no point in going on this forum anymore b/c the world is doomed! DOOMED!

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The problem with these conspiracies is that the people who believe them believe two things that are never true of any government:

  1. That the government can do anything right.

  2. That the government can keep a secret.[/quote]

lol. Irish FTW.

In Russia, journalists who criticize Putin’s government are routinely killed, at least 47 since 1992, most of them unsolved. That is a government I wouldn’t trust a thing which they say.

If Alex Jones’ vision of America was true, don’t you think he would be quickly disposed of in the same way? You say that he has an “extremely high profile”, and this protects him. And yet, I’ve never heard of him, and I doubt 1 person in a given hundred has, either.

You yourself said, “For instance, he has not convinced me that world leaders eat children at the bohemien grove thingy.” That’s all I need to know about him. he. is. a. crackpot.

[quote]beeglee wrote:
In Russia, journalists who criticize Putin’s government are routinely killed, at least 47 since 1992, most of them unsolved. That is a government I wouldn’t trust a thing which they say.

If Alex Jones’ vision of America was true, don’t you think he would be quickly disposed of in the same way? You say that he has an “extremely high profile”, and this protects him. And yet, I’ve never heard of him, and I doubt 1 person in a given hundred has, either.[/quote]

I would say that if he is in fact killed it would only prove that there is an attempt at a cover up.

I think the real problem is the fact that people bring the conversation to an abrupt stop the moment the word “9/11” or “conspiracy” comes up.

Almost like mind control… creepy music in the background.

[quote]Maximillian wrote:
beeglee wrote:
In Russia, journalists who criticize Putin’s government are routinely killed, at least 47 since 1992, most of them unsolved. That is a government I wouldn’t trust a thing which they say.

If Alex Jones’ vision of America was true, don’t you think he would be quickly disposed of in the same way? You say that he has an “extremely high profile”, and this protects him. And yet, I’ve never heard of him, and I doubt 1 person in a given hundred has, either.

I would say that if he is in fact killed it would only prove that there is an attempt at a cover up.

I think the real problem is the fact that people bring the conversation to an abrupt stop the moment the word “9/11” or “conspiracy” comes up.

Almost like mind control… creepy music in the background.[/quote]

Because only idiots believe the government was involved in a 9/11 conspiracy.

[quote]beeglee wrote:
In Russia, journalists who criticize Putin’s government are routinely killed, at least 47 since 1992, most of them unsolved. That is a government I wouldn’t trust a thing which they say.

If Alex Jones’ vision of America was true, don’t you think he would be quickly disposed of in the same way? You say that he has an “extremely high profile”, and this protects him. And yet, I’ve never heard of him, and I doubt 1 person in a given hundred has, either.

You yourself said, “For instance, he has not convinced me that world leaders eat children at the bohemien grove thingy.” That’s all I need to know about him. he. is. a. crackpot.[/quote]

Welcome to the forum.

Deep end shmeep end, I’m still basically the same person who taught half the dudes on the site how to find the damn G-Spot. Look, I have a problem with authority, I have gotten screwed several times since I was 18. I am a good person and I got completely screwed by the “autorities” be it a judge, a colledge dean and athletic director, or a toughguy cop. If people at these low levels cannot look objectively at a situation and instead just use thier power to make life miserable for good people, then I can only imagine how fucked up people with supposed “real power” act.

I guess if you have never felt the abuse of power first hand, you might not understand it and you would never be inclined to go down the road I did, but I did and I found some shit out. I bring it here to you because you guys, well some of the older members, know me, you know i’m not batshit crazy. I’m like your cousin who went away to college. Sure I came back with some different ideas, but i’m your damn cousin, can’t you at least humor me.

I have gotten no less than 150 PM’s over the past 6 years thanking me for helping, or asking me for advice either with a girl or life in general. The only reason I got those pm’s was because I went out and did research on things, I read about 30 different theories on how to find and stimulate the G Spot, then I went to work, in real life testing those theories, so I could come back here and give you all my learnings. It’s part of my personality to do this and if you don’t like the particular information I came back with well fine, but if you go off my past record, you’d be stupid not to at least check it out.

V

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Deep end shmeep end, I’m still basically the same person who taught half the dudes on the site how to find the damn G-Spot. Look, I have a problem with authority, I have gotten screwed several times since I was 18. I am a good person and I got completely screwed by the “autorities” be it a judge, a colledge dean and athletic director, or a toughguy cop. If people at these low levels cannot look objectively at a situation and instead just use thier power to make life miserable for good people, then I can only imagine how fucked up people with supposed “real power” act.

I guess if you have never felt the abuse of power first hand, you might not understand it and you would never be inclined to go down the road I did, but I did and I found some shit out. I bring it here to you because you guys, well some of the older members, know me, you know i’m not batshit crazy. I’m like your cousin who went away to college. Sure I came back with some different ideas, but i’m your damn cousin, can’t you at least humor me.

I have gotten no less than 150 PM’s over the past 6 years thanking me for helping, or asking me for advice either with a girl or life in general. The only reason I got those pm’s was because I went out and did research on things, I read about 30 different theories on how to find and stimulate the G Spot, then I went to work, in real life testing those theories, so I could come back here and give you all my learnings. It’s part of my personality to do this and if you don’t like the particular information I came back with well fine, but if you go off my past record, you’d be stupid not to at least check it out.

V[/quote]

I don’t think you’re batshit crazy, I think Alex Jones is. You seem like a thoughtful, decent person. But I’m sorry, I just won’t watch a bunch of films by a man who claimed that world leaders meet in the woods to eat babies (well, Kim Jong Il likely eats babies, but he probably does it in his home in an elegant setting.)

Believe me, any ordinary person who lives long enough and regularly goes out into the world has felt the “abuse of power”, be it some asshole cop, judge, college dean, renegade crossing guard, etc. That’s life.

But I think it’s a huge mistake to assume that because a cop wrongly gave you a ticket, it follows that our elected leaders must be plotting mass murder of their own country’s citizens to start wars and manipulate oil prices.

I’ve known quite a few friends and acquaintances who tried to sell to me a conspiracy theory. World leaders are in reality, shape-shifting reptile creatures. Corporations control our minds and the universe with their logos, which are actually mystical “sigils”. The government controls our minds with secret apparatus installed into street lights (!). Military weapons are alien technology. There is such a thing as a “G-spot” (just kidding on that one.) The Illuminati control the world. Freemasons control the world. Jews control the world. And yes, personally, I put “9-11 was an inside job” in the same list.

If you want to look for unspeakable evil in the modern world, read about what it’s like to “live” in North Korea. Read about Hitler. Read about Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, and Pol-Pot, and what they did to their own people.

You see, we are blessed to live in a liberal democracy, where anyone is free to make documentaries which claim anything you want to, and you don’t have to fear a knock on the door in the middle of the night. If we lived in Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, or many other countries around the world, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation without fear of a long prison sentence, or worse. Aren’t we lucky?

[quote]beeglee wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Deep end shmeep end, I’m still basically the same person who taught half the dudes on the site how to find the damn G-Spot. Look, I have a problem with authority, I have gotten screwed several times since I was 18. I am a good person and I got completely screwed by the “autorities” be it a judge, a colledge dean and athletic director, or a toughguy cop. If people at these low levels cannot look objectively at a situation and instead just use thier power to make life miserable for good people, then I can only imagine how fucked up people with supposed “real power” act.

I guess if you have never felt the abuse of power first hand, you might not understand it and you would never be inclined to go down the road I did, but I did and I found some shit out. I bring it here to you because you guys, well some of the older members, know me, you know i’m not batshit crazy. I’m like your cousin who went away to college. Sure I came back with some different ideas, but i’m your damn cousin, can’t you at least humor me.

I have gotten no less than 150 PM’s over the past 6 years thanking me for helping, or asking me for advice either with a girl or life in general. The only reason I got those pm’s was because I went out and did research on things, I read about 30 different theories on how to find and stimulate the G Spot, then I went to work, in real life testing those theories, so I could come back here and give you all my learnings. It’s part of my personality to do this and if you don’t like the particular information I came back with well fine, but if you go off my past record, you’d be stupid not to at least check it out.

V

I don’t think you’re batshit crazy, I think Alex Jones is. You seem like a thoughtful, decent person. But I’m sorry, I just won’t watch a bunch of films by a man who claimed that world leaders meet in the woods to eat babies (well, Kim Jong Il likely eats babies, but he probably does it in his home in an elegant setting.)

Believe me, any ordinary person who lives long enough and regularly goes out into the world has felt the “abuse of power”, be it some asshole cop, judge, college dean, renegade crossing guard, etc. That’s life.

But I think it’s a huge mistake to assume that because a cop wrongly gave you a ticket, it follows that our elected leaders must be plotting mass murder of their own country’s citizens to start wars and manipulate oil prices.

I’ve known quite a few friends and acquaintances who tried to sell to me a conspiracy theory. World leaders are in reality, shape-shifting reptile creatures. Corporations control our minds and the universe with their logos, which are actually mystical “sigils”. The government controls our minds with secret apparatus installed into street lights (!). Military weapons are alien technology. There is such a thing as a “G-spot” (just kidding on that one.) The Illuminati control the world. Freemasons control the world. Jews control the world. And yes, personally, I put “9-11 was an inside job” in the same list.

If you want to look for unspeakable evil in the modern world, read about what it’s like to “live” in North Korea. Read about Hitler. Read about Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, and Pol-Pot, and what they did to their own people.

You see, we are blessed to live in a liberal democracy, where anyone is free to make documentaries which claim anything you want to, and you don’t have to fear a knock on the door in the middle of the night. If we lived in Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, or many other countries around the world, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation without fear of a long prison sentence, or worse. Aren’t we lucky?[/quote]

Ok but what you just said isn’t even true now is it? If the government wants to, they can make you go away with a knock on the door at night. I don’t expect them to just come out and use this power they just gave themselves in rampant fashion right away. But they will slowly ramp it up and use it more and more. That is my whole point, those evil places you talk about is where we are headed. I want to open peoples eyes to that fact. How about the 700 Billion the treasury secratary just asked for. Do you know what his conditions were? No oversight, non reviewable by any body of government or court of law. Just who the fuck gets off saying in front of everyone. Give me 700 billion, and don’t ask me ever what I am doing with it. Fucking jedi mind tricks man, these people are not good people. If you plan on doing good things with 700 billion, why do you ask to have no court of law or government agency even be able to open your books? I don’t think our leaders are baby eaters, but they are not innocent saints either. I would say they are closer to baby eaters than saints, I truly believe the ends justify the means for them and killing people is nothing for them.

V

I can see that you chose the red pill Vegita, good…