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[quote]Maximillian wrote:
I’m as yet undecided, being from Canada the government didn’t force us to be “with us or against us”… so I’m reading both of your arguments. I did look at some pictures recently and I’m confused about some things.

If you look at the picture, you can see the metal structure literally mushrooming outward from the collapse.

There’s no amount of “air pressure” that will push 3000lbs of steel outward like that… and that big piece is at least 10 tons and is VERY far out.

If I just look at this picture independent of 9/11, and just examine it as an isolated picture… I would assume there are bombs going off. Now if I’ve been told that the roof just collapsed inwards, I’m still skeptical because of all that metal being pushed outwards.

I guess I’m being convinced of the conspiracy?

edit* can someone explain how to post pictures on this forum?[/quote]

Simple. The MULTIPLE floors from above the collapse zone falling down (weighing far more than 10 tons) into the building, and behind the perimeter columns, are violently pushing outer sections and columns out and away.

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I see the war on Occam continues on this thread.

My other Truther friend, also an Alex Jones disciple, tells me how “Occam’s razor is bullshit.” Great stuff.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Gael wrote:
beeglee wrote:
Jews control the world.

The Jews might not control the world, but they certainly have a high level of influence in Washington. Politicians who do not kowtow to the wishes of AIPAC can see campaign funds shrivel up while their opponents become extremely well financed.

Virtually all who wish to become successful politicians quickly learn that it is politically correct to align themselves with the military hardline faction of Israel. Anything else means political failure, despite polls which have always indicated Americans as well as American Israelis oppose the direction of our foreign policy.

On the topic of welfare, the US has, for decades, spent over 1,000 dollars per capital annually in economic and military aid to Israel.

It’s becoming painfully obvious why a lot of the liberals on this site have such an affinity for Islam. Islam has an astonishing Jew paranoia and so do a lot of liberals. Everything is the fault of the Zionists (Jews).

Oh, right, right. You’re not against the Jews, just the Zionist ones. And the ones with a lot of money and influence, and the ones in Hollywood, and…

Our foreign are all to make the world safe for Israel and the Jew. We must hate the Jew. [/quote]

What a bunch of irrelevant red herrings and straw men. Who said everything is the fault of the Jews? Who said anything about Islam? I have no affinity for organized religion, particularly one that drives people to violence. Islamic terrorism is bad.

That said I do not share your desperately obsessive paranoia that drives you to search high and low for evidence, signs, Quran passages that show just how dangerous & evil Islam is. The only one who has “paranoia” is you, and you are just as kooky as Alex Jones.

There is no “jew paranoia” here. I simply recognize the excessive influence of groups like AIPAC and see the effects carried out in our excessive support of Israel.

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I hardly need to do that. I just needed to watch video of planes hitting the New York skyline on 9/11/2001. Studying the Qur’an was just confirmation of what you and I saw on that day. Of course, you may have seen a government conspiracy in action, whilst I saw a conspiracy of Arabs on a jihad.

Yes, this is the reasoning given in polite company. In impolite company, the reasoning is usually different.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
That said I do not share your desperately obsessive paranoia that drives you to search high and low for evidence, signs, Quran passages that show just how dangerous & evil Islam is

I hardly need to do that. I just needed to watch video of planes hitting the New York skyline on 9/11/2001. Studying the Qur’an was just confirmation of what you and I saw on that day. Of course, you may have seen a government conspiracy in action, whilst I saw a conspiracy of Arabs on a jihad.[/quote]

You expose yourself as a black and white thinker, first by equating a disgust with Israeli militarism with affinity for Islam, and now by assuming I believe 9/11 was an inside job, which it certainly wasn’t. Beyond sad.

[quote]There is no “jew paranoia” here. I simply recognize the excessive influence of groups like AIPAC and see the effects carried out in our excessive support of Israel.

Yes, this is the reasoning given in polite company. In impolite company, the reasoning is usually different.[/quote]

Do not flatter yourself by presuming that I would soften my words for you. I have spoken exactly what I mean. You may be a paranoid nutcase, but that doesn’t mean that paranoia underlies the thought processes of everyone else. Some of us are a bit more rational than you.

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Uh oh…

Yeah. Look at all the territory Israel controls militarily. Why, it’s up to the size of Rhode Island! And they’ve literally hijacked the foreign policy of the US with AIPAC!

My mistake. My apologies.

Don’t forget to include “bigot” in that sentence.

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I used to think the government faked the moon landing. I changed my mind after watching the Mythbusters episode.

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Sloth

I have given you all the “evidence” you need. You refuse to go look at it. Unfortunately, it isn’t exactly in the format where I can bring it here and put it in your lap. I can tell you exactluy where to go and already have. You are a blowhard, you won’t look at what I have said to look at.

You provide a video, and say, look, look how it’s collapsing, you can say bombs, but it isn’t. That isn’t fucking evidence you complete and total moron. Watch a video where Molten Steel, pours out of the towers. Then do some research at what temperature steel melts. Then do some research as to what temperature jet fuel burns at. What you get when you do this research is that if you had an ideal burn of jet fuel with lots of air, it could soften steel, but not melt it. When I say soften, I think the numbers used were soften to 90-95% of it’s cold strength.

If you also went to the sites and watched loose change and terrorstorm, you would fin out that people analyzed the molten steel after they found it pooled on the ground in the rubble. Guess what, it wasn’t just molten steel. It happens there were other chemichals mixed in with it. The composition of the chemicals also just happened to be almost identical to the chemicals found in thermate. Whats is thermate you ask? Oh it’s just something the demolition industry uses to cut steel beams in seconds when demoloshing a building. The chemical reaction is so hot, it produces molten steel.

All these peices are out there and have not been challenged by anyone. That is god damn evidence.

Also it is just one part of an enourmous puzzle. I really can go through 2 documentaries worth of information here in a post, just go watch them, they are free remember. nobody is trying to make a buck off this, we just want people to watch them and make thier own mind up.

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Sloth

I have given you all the “evidence” you need. You refuse to go look at it. Unfortunately, it isn’t exactly in the format where I can bring it here and put it in your lap. I can tell you exactluy where to go and already have. You are a blowhard, you won’t look at what I have said to look at.

You provide a video, and say, look, look how it’s collapsing, you can say bombs, but it isn’t. That isn’t fucking evidence you complete and total moron. Watch a video where Molten Steel, pours out of the towers. Then do some research at what temperature steel melts. Then do some research as to what temperature jet fuel burns at. What you get when you do this research is that if you had an ideal burn of jet fuel with lots of air, it could soften steel, but not melt it. When I say soften, I think the numbers used were soften to 90-95% of it’s cold strength.

If you also went to the sites and watched loose change and terrorstorm, you would fin out that people analyzed the molten steel after they found it pooled on the ground in the rubble. Guess what, it wasn’t just molten steel. It happens there were other chemichals mixed in with it. The composition of the chemicals also just happened to be almost identical to the chemicals found in thermate. Whats is thermate you ask? Oh it’s just something the demolition industry uses to cut steel beams in seconds when demoloshing a building. The chemical reaction is so hot, it produces molten steel.

All these peices are out there and have not been challenged by anyone. That is god damn evidence.

Also it is just one part of an enourmous puzzle. I really can go through 2 documentaries worth of information here in a post, just go watch them, they are free remember. nobody is trying to make a buck off this, we just want people to watch them and make thier own mind up.

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http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/traces_of_thermate_at_the_wtc.html

You guys all repeat the same myths. Get new “evidence.”

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Oh, and please link that video of molten STEEL. Not metal, but steel.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

Then do some research as to what temperature jet fuel burns at. What you get when you do this research is that if you had an ideal burn of jet fuel with lots of air, it could soften steel, but not melt it. When I say soften, I think the numbers used were soften to 90-95% of it’s cold strength.

V[/quote]

I just realized something. If you were to put your kookiness aside, you’re damn close to understanding why the towers collapsed. Extensive damage to perimeter and internal columns (many sliced completely through or badly buckled) within the impact zone. Now “soften” the remaining support with the heat you yourself mentioned. We know collapse initiated within the visibly damged zones (I provided the video)…Put two and two together.

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[quote]beeglee wrote:
I saw a documentary on YouTube which shows compelling evidence that UFOs caused 9-11. If anyone wants to join me in taking up armed resistance against our secret Martian overlords, you can start now by creating the required tin foil uniform (to block the Z-rays, naturally.) [/quote]

LOL! That was great!

How exactly do I make a tin foil hat? If I’m under mind control, wouldn’t the aliens prevent me from acquiring the knowledge to build an effective hat? :slight_smile:

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Your passion got the best of me. I have them downloading now. I will at least watch them when I get a chance.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever for any of these inside job theories, but I agree it can’t hurt to hear all sides.

Why do I have a feeling I’m gonna be sorry for this?

Thank you, Not for doing something I want you to do, something I think is vital to the awakening of the people who reside in this country. But for listening to that part of you that still is curious, that doesn’t want things spoon fed to them.

Just like your parents didn’t always tell you the whole story when you were growing up, The government is just like your parents and they do things “you wouldn’t understand” and therefore treat you like a child and either lie, or cover up the truth.

I hope you find the information compelling enough to come back here and give your opinion of it. Maybe others will follow suit, after all I wouldn’t have brought it up unless I thought people should watch it.

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As a former spec op for the NSA, I can assure you that none, I repeat: none, of this false flag stuff ever happened.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
How exactly do I make a tin foil hat? If I’m under mind control, wouldn’t the aliens prevent me from acquiring the knowledge to build an effective hat? :slight_smile:

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You could do what I did. Pretend you are about to bake some cookies. Put a layer of foil in the oven. Now, here’s the tricky part. Stick your head in the oven, and while it’s in there, quickly fashion a hat. The Martians can’t see what you’re doing in there.

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[quote]beeglee wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
How exactly do I make a tin foil hat? If I’m under mind control, wouldn’t the aliens prevent me from acquiring the knowledge to build an effective hat? :slight_smile:

You could do what I did. Pretend you are about to bake some cookies. Put a layer of foil in the oven. Now, here’s the tricky part. Stick your head in the oven, and while it’s in there, quickly fashion a hat. The Martians can’t see what you’re doing in there.[/quote]

I’m sure the Martians thought of that. Then again, maybe the Martians are under mind control by the Alpha Centaurians, and they by the Betelgeusians, and so forth. Man, whom to trust, whom to trust,…

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

All these peices are out there and have not been challenged by anyone. That is god damn evidence. [/quote]

Are you serious? These “pieces” have been challenged and refuted over and over on all of the forums where the conspiracy nuts spread their nonsense. Your errors have been patiently explained repeatedly. To say that your errors “have not been challenged by anyone” is ridiculous.

It doesn’t matter at what temperature jet fuel burns. An “ideal burn” with lots of oxygen doesn’t affect the temperature at which it burns. More access to oxygen means the fuel burns faster. In an open field, the fuel would be consumed in an instant. In the confines of the towers, the fuel might last a few minutes, tops. The jet fuel started the fire; it did not fuel it.

All combustible materials burned (books, carpets, wood, furniture, plastics, humans, who knows what all), and all of these acted as the fuel for the fire. Everything burned at various temperatures, but the maximal temperature achieved in the towers is not limited by the temperatures at which the materials burn. Combustion creates heat. The more concentrated the heat, the higher the temperature, and it is possible to exceed combustion temperatures.

Finally, you have no way of knowing that whatever flowed out of the building was steel. It was just something coming out of the building. And even if it was steel, what would that mean? Why would steel be flowing out of the building prior to your little planned demolition going off?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
beeglee wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
How exactly do I make a tin foil hat? If I’m under mind control, wouldn’t the aliens prevent me from acquiring the knowledge to build an effective hat? :slight_smile:

You could do what I did. Pretend you are about to bake some cookies. Put a layer of foil in the oven. Now, here’s the tricky part. Stick your head in the oven, and while it’s in there, quickly fashion a hat. The Martians can’t see what you’re doing in there.

I’m sure the Martians thought of that. Then again, maybe the Martians are under mind control by the Alpha Centaurians, and they by the Betelgeusians, and so forth. Man, whom to trust, whom to trust,…

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The Martians always allow a certain percentage of tin hat manufacture in order to maintain the appearance of free will,so my opinion here would be that you would encounter no resistance from them if you choose to make the tin hat and therefore reveal to yourself the true secrets of the multiverse.

Of course,if the vast majority of the population of Earth were to make themselves tin hats,and here’s the real issue,wear them for long enough to realign their perceptions on what is actually going down,then you would see a massive response from the Martians.

I’m not really sure what shape the response would take,but I have no doubt it would be swift and effective.

They have had such success just by manipulating the media and marginalizing all the seekers of truth,that I doubt this massive Tin Foil Revolution would ever come to pass.

Coupled with the centralized control they have on aluminium production resources through their minions at Rio Tinto/Alcan et al,it seems that the prospects for Mankind to break our bonds and rise against the foreign oppressors,are very dire indeed.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
I used to think the government faked the moon landing. I changed my mind after watching the Mythbusters episode.[/quote]

I saw that too, but Mythbusters is just a shill for the government. Everyone knows that. That’s why they said ninja’s can’t walk on water - the gov just doesn’t want you to know about their ninja programs.

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[quote]BabyBuster wrote:
malonetd wrote:
I used to think the government faked the moon landing. I changed my mind after watching the Mythbusters episode.

I saw that too, but Mythbusters is just a shill for the government. Everyone knows that. That’s why they said ninja’s can’t walk on water - the gov just doesn’t want you to know about their ninja programs.[/quote]

Bullshit! I believe everything Jamie and Adam say.