[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
Funny thing is know the grammar
It is a freakin name c’mon man.
Patriot act, Patriotic Act, could be either way and now you talk like i don’t know english man.
The point is i wouldn’t be afraid of Osama Bin Laden (bin Ladin, ben Ladin, ben ladin) getting me from his cage and it is rather disturbing to see that Congressmen were being forced to sign the Act without sorting it through or any kind of dicussion. It says on it it is not supposed to be shown to the public, that is why noone sees it.
http://www.sacurrent.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10705756&BRD=2318&PAG=461&dept_id=482778&rfi=6
By the way, there is no need to go to conspiracy sites any longer. There have been 600 movies made so far showing the WTC, Oklahoma were inside jobs in fact. The “theorists” use CNN footage and world renowned specialists.
Here is what Patriot Act 2 contains:
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establishment of a national ID card, disguised as national standardization of drivers licensing;
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establishment of a national electronic database for birth and death certificates, with permanent identifying information assigned to each individual, such as a national ID number;
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biometric identifiers - including fingerprints, face recognition software photos, iris or retinal scans, and other private physical identification - for travel documents which would be used for security in domestic air travel as well as overseas travel;
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expanded secret eavesdropping and search powers to be used against individuals suspected of terrorist activity, whether or not the individual is associated with a foreign power;
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further weakening of individual privacy rights in library, medical, and other personal records, removing all federal court oversight;
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enhanced "material support" provisions, allowing guilt by association with a group targeted by the administration; removal of habeas corpus relief for those detained under repressive immigration measures;
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approval of automatic detention without bail in immigration matters at the government's request;
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increased secrecy in immigration court matters;
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approval of the use of secret evidence in immigration courts - secret even to the immigrant being examined;
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deportation of immigrants before final appeal;
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allowing the death penalty in terrorism cases (with "terrorism" as defined in the USA PATRIOT Act);
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explicit approval of transfer of prisoners suspected of terrorism to nations known to practice torture; and
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failure to provide for a cross-agency civil liberties board for oversight and investigation of civil liberties practices and procedures in the executive branch of the federal government.
You know, this is exactly what happend in Germany when Hitler got to power. Oh its not? It is necassary for the fight against Osama the guy in his cave in Afghanistan? Ask the people of New Orleans what a great job FEMA is doing in “protecting them” like cutting power lines and the like. The red cross is still not allowed in the city. A german plane with 15 tons of food has been turned away on the second day of this. All they needed was permission. they would have been able to drop 1 day packages for about 15000 people. The radio in New Orleans is not allowed to function, etc.
You see your rights are not being taken away to fight foreigners and terrorist, you government fights your own people. Weren’t those people made homeless called swing voters before the Florida scandal? This is of course another unconnected incident. Has nothing to do with George Bush’s statement: “Well, if this was a dictatorship things would be a hell of a lot easier, that’s for sure” Well it’s easy now. I can write about that here, but actually information gathering whether it is legal or illegal info doesn’t matter is illegal right now under the law of the USA.
If you for example put up PA2 here, you could be called a terrorist. You could be taken away. They would not have to inform your family. You have no civil rights then. You can be taken out of the country. They could interogate (spelling correct i dunno) you, hurt you, kill you. It is legal by the law of your wonderful former free country.
And don’t get me wrong i am on here, because i read that stuff and i love America. I love basketball, football, barbecue, american people, Tahoe, Vegas, Cali, i love L.A. and Arden Mall and the american way of live. You people are great and so is this site. I just want to make the public aware before they set up more concentration camps like pier 95 was it i think in New York where they put protesters and people taking video of the Area around WTC legally. I’ve seen these disturbing pictures and i am of the opinion you should always listen to everybody and then draw your own conclusions. I never went to conspiracy sites until i heard about firemen swearing WTC was brought down by bombs and the like.
Those are americas real heroes and they lose their jobs for that. FBI agents loosing their jobs, because they ask questions. Congreesmen pressured to keep their mouths shut, CNN not showing what’s going on. Evidence enough to check it out and what i found was not manipulated video but questions that need answers. No answers given though only rights being taken from the scared people. I am no communist by any stretch or anything, in fact i am a christian conservative but i am convinced that america is in a state of dictatorship and i am very worried.
Americans should just look at the facts themselves and talk about that and not shut up.
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Before any of the sleepers chime in with tin foil talk and condescending bs, I just wanted to say that this was a nice post and I wish more people would pipe up and take notice at what is going on with our civil liberties and where this great nation, that I love, is sliding to.