Al-Qaeda in Congress?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The article is from the NY Times.
Also, how do you propose that I determine if someone is a citizen? Shall I walk up to each one and ask?[/quote]

If they’re voting, it’s probably a safe bet to assume that they are citizens, no?

Has there been an article somewhere about massive Somali voter fraud in Minnesota?

And if you don’t know, why then assume that they voted illegally?

Do we need to send U.N. observers to your elections to make sure they’re legit?

Have you read the article? It states that his opponent said he was a Farrakhan supporter; a fact which Ellison denied. He apparently was convincing enough to get backing from some Jewish groups.

Here, read it for yourself, I’ve underlined the relevant passages so you can follow along:

[i]"…Mr. Ellison was attacked on religious grounds by his Republican opponent, Alan Fine. In September, Mr. Fine said that as a Jew he was personally offended by Mr. Ellison’s past support for Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the radical group Nation of Islam.

Mr. Ellison denied any link to Mr. Farrakhan and reached out to Jews, eventually gaining some endorsements from Jewish groups."[/i]

So who’s telling the truth here? His opponent? Not exactly a disinterested party; or the man himself?

Has anyone tried to find the quotes or the context of what he did or said that was seen as support for Farrakhan? I’m sure you didn’t.

So again, you’re jumping to conclusions based on your personal prejudices and bigotry.

I’m not seeing any flames. I’m just questioning your motives; since you seem to be interpreting the whole thing in the worst possible light to justify your “righteous” indignation.

I simply see little facts to back up any of your allegations.

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A point of fact:

"Article VI. - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

According to the Office of the House Clerk (http://clerk.house.gov/), the swearing-in ceremony for the House of Representatives never includes a religious book. They stated that the swearing-in ceremony consists only of the Members raising their right hands and swearing to uphold the Constitution. There is no official book used for swearing in ceremonies. On occassion, members pose for symbolic photo-ops with their hand on a Bible.

In other words, HH is full of shit as usual. He is doing his normal tactic of using right-wing propaganda sources, cherry-picking pieces of a story and then making a big issue of it like he is truly a “concerned citizen” instead of the nutjob that he really is.

Ignore him like you do the crazy person on the street corner that’s yelling to his imaginary friend.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
‘Enemy of liberty’? Well, what sort of liberty do you mean? The liberty to support Louis Farrakhan and get voted into Congress? The liberty to solicit bribes as a federal judge, but still get support from the CBC? Those sorts of liberties are definitly on my ‘list’.
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Nuthunter, you are really flaky bud. The fact you have to pull weak little tidbits together like this, instead of ever addressing issues directly should be a clue to you.

You don’t deserve your constitution, because you aren’t man enough to respect it.

P.S. The purpose of forums, any forum, is not simply to exchange flames. Although it does seem you’ve made its purpose to display what a complete and utter idiot you are believing every bit of tripe you hear. A fine example of what FOX, and other pseudo-news, is doing to your country.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What do you think of people who DO vote for such a supporter, just because the twerp is of the same religion?
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Oh, I get it… “there are people in my country who don’t think like me, but they are allowed to vote.” What a tragedy. The country is ruined.

Nutjob, the country is damned lucky that most people aren’t as fucked up as you are.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
What do you think of people who DO vote for such a supporter, just because the twerp is of the same religion?

Oh, I get it… “there are people in my country who don’t think like me, but they are allowed to vote.” What a tragedy. The country is ruined.

Nutjob, the country is damned lucky that most people aren’t as fucked up as you are.[/quote]

Vacuum,
This is just beyond stupid, actually below your usual level (low) of reasoning skills — you honestly think someone should vote for a candidate because they’re of the same religion? It doesn’t matter that he supports filth like Farrakhan, but he’s of the same religion?

You are one fucked up individual. You pass this off as ‘them not thinking like me’? How far will you go just to flame me, cumwad?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
‘Enemy of liberty’? Well, what sort of liberty do you mean? The liberty to support Louis Farrakhan and get voted into Congress? The liberty to solicit bribes as a federal judge, but still get support from the CBC? Those sorts of liberties are definitly on my ‘list’.

Nuthunter, you are really flaky bud. The fact you have to pull weak little tidbits together like this, instead of ever addressing issues directly should be a clue to you.

You don’t deserve your constitution, because you aren’t man enough to respect it.

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I read your next post before this. So I’ll simply say: don’t bother to respond to my posts any longer. I will not read anything you write in any way. You are simply a fucktard, playing at being intelligent. You sit in your mom’s basement, an unemployed weed whacker, spewing shit.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
To become a Muslim, you surrender yourself, your will, to Allah. Well, since Allah doesn’t generally make housecalls, you then take your marching orders from your Imam.

Right. All muslims are idiot robots who just follow marching orders.

Right. All Christians are idiots who just follow marching orders.

Seems like you can insert anything you want here depending on your agenda eh pookie?

It is for this reason that I question letting a Muslim into Congress or any high office. Muslims, unlike many Christians, take their religion very seriously, much more so than westerners imagine.

And you know that because you personally know some muslims? Or is your view informed by Fox News and Hollywood movies?

It therefore follows that we have to question where a Muslim’s loyalties would lie.

This is not racism or bigotry.

…but Somalian immigrants shouldn’t have the right to vote, right?

No, not unless they are citizens of the United States.

Questioning motives is NOT one of those. Will a Muslim act in the best interests of the United States, if those interests conflict with those of another Muslim country? I question that and do not consider it wrong in any way to do so.

Maybe he’d be more able to resolve the situations through diplomacy. Have you considered that fact? Having a president who’s not a complete idiot when it comes to foreign relations might be an asset…

Now, flame away, boys. That’s what a forum is for.

Don’t worry, we’ll float that turd.[/quote]

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:

In other words, HH is full of shit as usual. He is doing his normal tactic of using right-wing propaganda sources, cherry-picking pieces of a story and then making a big issue of it like he is truly a “concerned citizen” instead of the nutjob that he really is.

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I never knew the NY Times was a right-wing propaganda source. Thanks for pointing that out,AL!!

The congressman would NEVER lie about supporting Farrakhan. He swears so on the Q’uran! How foolish of me!!

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I got bored, looked some things up, read them and conclude what you will:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/764obcsx.asp?pg=2

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=24482

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015415.php

http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?page=ellison110406.htm

All the ones above attack him. The ones below are in his favor

http://citypages.com/databank/27/1343/article14661.asp

Those are what I picked out from the 1st page of a google search.

Remember folks, apparently everything you do in the past makes you a bastard. MLK’s ties to the Nation of Islam were stronger than Ellison, but admitting that you made a mistake apparently holds no weight in this day and age.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Maybe the Dems should make HIM the chairman of the House Intell Committee.

How in the hell did Somali immigrants get the right to vote? Are they citizens? I know the Dems don’t care, but many others do.

Maybe when he gets to Congress, he’ll insist that everyone shut down 5 times a day, while some idiot schreeches into the PA system and he bangs his head on a rug.

No wonder the rest of the world laughs at us.
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Political refugees…? If you’ve ever been to his neighborhood in MPLS you’d understand why and how this man was elected. Until then keep your racist comments to your self. BTW, Ellison is a convert to the faith–neither born nor raised a Muslim.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:

In other words, HH is full of shit as usual. He is doing his normal tactic of using right-wing propaganda sources, cherry-picking pieces of a story and then making a big issue of it like he is truly a “concerned citizen” instead of the nutjob that he really is.

I never knew the NY Times was a right-wing propaganda source. Thanks for pointing that out,AL!!

The congressman would NEVER lie about supporting Farrakhan. He swears so on the Q’uran! How foolish of me!!

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See, this is where you are an idiot and demonstrated once again that you don’t do your homework and you tell only the parts of the story you want heard! The whole thing started from an article posted in townhall.com from an opinion piece written by Dennis Prager that the right-wing fear and hate mongers (like yourself) latched onto like a rabid dog on a bone. I’ve attached it for you because we all know how lazy you are when it comes to finding information that you don’t like to hear.

The problem with this is that the NYT didn’t do their homework either(much like you). They didn’t realize that there is no official book to take the oath on. Many politicians have used their own holy books when they wanted to be sworn into office.

http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=842

But there is no requirement to do so. However, never let it be said that the truth ever got into your way when you wanted to spread your type of insanity.

So, in essence, since the NYT is pushing this false representation of the facts perpetuated by right-wing propaganda sources, they are an extension of the right-wing propaganda machine.

Think for a second, if the meds will allow you to, and ask the question. How valid do you think an oath taken on a Christian Bible would be for someone who is not a Christian? Say a Jew or Buddist? Not very valid. It makes more sense for him to use the Q’uran because it is what he believe in rather than the book of a religion that holds no real meaning for him. But that would make too much sense for you. We all know that you like to live in your fantasy-land of where you are right and the entire world is wrong.

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[quote]Ren wrote:
I got bored, looked some things up, read them and conclude what you will:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/764obcsx.asp?pg=2

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=24482

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015415.php

http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?page=ellison110406.htm

All the ones above attack him. The ones below are in his favor

http://citypages.com/databank/27/1343/article14661.asp

Those are what I picked out from the 1st page of a google search.

Remember folks, apparently everything you do in the past makes you a bastard. MLK’s ties to the Nation of Islam were stronger than Ellison, but admitting that you made a mistake apparently holds no weight in this day and age. [/quote]

Ren, you made more effort with these few links to find out more about a story than HH has done the entire time he has posted his drool soaked idiocy on this board.

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Ren wrote:
I got bored, looked some things up, read them and conclude what you will:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/764obcsx.asp?pg=2

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=24482

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015415.php

http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?page=ellison110406.htm

All the ones above attack him. The ones below are in his favor

http://citypages.com/databank/27/1343/article14661.asp

Those are what I picked out from the 1st page of a google search.

Remember folks, apparently everything you do in the past makes you a bastard. MLK’s ties to the Nation of Islam were stronger than Ellison, but admitting that you made a mistake apparently holds no weight in this day and age.

Ren, you made more effort with these few links to find out more about a story than HH has done the entire time he has posted his drool soaked idiocy on this board.
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Hey, I was just as curious about this so-called jew-hating terrorist loving muslim that was fraudulently elected by illegal somali muslim immigrants as everyone else.

Sarcasm aside, all the negative articles have a scathing bias against him that you really can’t miss, but I am sure a former head of the Minnesota Jewish Federation would happily throw his weight behind someone like that.

Like I said earlier, I guess admitting to making mistakes in one’s past amounts to nothing.

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
ALDurr wrote:

In other words, HH is full of shit as usual. He is doing his normal tactic of using right-wing propaganda sources, cherry-picking pieces of a story and then making a big issue of it like he is truly a “concerned citizen” instead of the nutjob that he really is.

I never knew the NY Times was a right-wing propaganda source. Thanks for pointing that out,AL!!

The congressman would NEVER lie about supporting Farrakhan. He swears so on the Q’uran! How foolish of me!!

See, this is where you are an idiot and demonstrated once again that you don’t do your homework and you tell only the parts of the story you want heard! The whole thing started from an article posted in townhall.com from an opinion piece written by Dennis Prager that the right-wing fear and hate mongers (like yourself) latched onto like a rabid dog on a bone. I’ve attached it for you because we all know how lazy you are when it comes to finding information that you don’t like to hear.

The problem with this is that the NYT didn’t do their homework either(much like you). They didn’t realize that there is no official book to take the oath on. Many politicians have used their own holy books when they wanted to be sworn into office.

http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=842

But there is no requirement to do so. However, never let it be said that the truth ever got into your way when you wanted to spread your type of insanity.

So, in essence, since the NYT is pushing this false representation of the facts perpetuated by right-wing propaganda sources, they are an extension of the right-wing propaganda machine.

Think for a second, if the meds will allow you to, and ask the question. How valid do you think an oath taken on a Christian Bible would be for someone who is not a Christian? Say a Jew or Buddist? Not very valid. It makes more sense for him to use the Q’uran because it is what he believe in rather than the book of a religion that holds no real meaning for him. But that would make too much sense for you. We all know that you like to live in your fantasy-land of where you are right and the entire world is wrong.
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Thanks for posting that Prager thing.

“Reprehensible” does not even begin to describe the sentiments contained therin.

This is the key sentence:

“…America is interested in only one book, the Bible.”

Umm…no, not all of us, Mr. Prager.

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Why do you people continue to engage with this attention whore? He posts just to start flame wars. Every day you go along with exactly what he wants.

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[quote]Michael570 wrote:
Why do you people continue to engage with this attention whore? He posts just to start flame wars. Every day you go along with exactly what he wants.[/quote]

It helps pass the time at work?

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[quote]Ren wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Why do you people continue to engage with this attention whore? He posts just to start flame wars. Every day you go along with exactly what he wants.

It helps pass the time at work?[/quote]

Basically, that’s why.

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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Right. All Christians are idiots who just follow marching orders.

Seems like you can insert anything you want here depending on your agenda eh pookie?[/quote]

[serious] Actually, I was using sarcasm to make the opposite point. The point being that saying “All Muslims are X” (or “All Christians do X”) is ridiculous. [/serious]

[smartass] I read somewhere that children cannot understand irony or sarcasm before they are about 7 to 8 years of age. If you wish to participate meaningfully in these forums, I suggest you improve your reading and comprehension levels. [/smartass]

[warning] I won’t be using these “clue tags” in any other posts. [/warning]

[helpful] Oh, and learning how to quote properly will also help. There is a useful “Preview” button you can use for that. [/helpful]

[sad but true] Trying to pick out your measly contributions from those big blobs of grey text is, frankly, not worth the effort. [/bye now]

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We need to stop bothering trying to argue with Headhunter. He doesn’t actually debate, after all.

He chooses a snippet of your post, and tries to make YOU look like the extremist moron. He completely ignores any information you post, and ignores any actual arguing, focusing instead on the most contreversial part of your opinion.

I’ve made my arguement on this thread, as have many others.

Even if you don’t want to use the word “racist”, when you question someones morals based on their creed, your definetly something morally wrong.

I don’t think your evil. Just a stubborn, bullheaded, close-minded, foolishy religious man.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The dude’s a muslim and wants to be sworn in on the Q’uran. Why flame me? You Dems are the jackasses who vote guys like this in.

Oh, did the concept of freedom of religion suddenly go down the toilet? Do you actually respect the ability of people to have and to practice different religions or not?
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Freedom of religion, yes. Freedom to kill Americans in the name of religion, NO!

It is a concern.

The truth is that we are at war with certain factions of the Muslim faith. Violence IS advocated in the Q’uran against unbelievers. So it is not that crazy to think that this might be a concern.

But perhaps he is one of the Muslims who disregard the extreme factions of their religion, just like millions of Christians do? In either case, he is just one man and can’t do much without his party backing.