I’m perfectly willing to accept that a lot of liberal people are in the industry.
However, I’m not willing to accept that there is some vast conspiracy in place because of that.
There are a lot of conservatives in other industries, and neither do I feel there is a conspiracy there.
My point is that because the numbers are roughly half and half, liberal versus conservatie, there is likely to be evidence of “conspiracy” anywhere you choose to look for it.
By this, I mean that liberal or conservative viewpoints will be found everywhere… and sometimes to varying levels, based on the numbers of the people involved in that economic sector.
This is natural and normal, and does not represent some sinister plot.
I’m perfectly willing to accept that a lot of liberal people are in the industry.
However, I’m not willing to accept that there is some vast conspiracy in place because of that.
There are a lot of conservatives in other industries, and neither do I feel there is a conspiracy there.
My point is that because the numbers are roughly half and half, liberal versus conservatie, there is likely to be evidence of “conspiracy” anywhere you choose to look for it.
By this, I mean that liberal or conservative viewpoints will be found everywhere… and sometimes to varying levels, based on the numbers of the people involved in that economic sector.
This is natural and normal, and does not represent some sinister plot.[/quote]
Conspiracy, in the truest sense of the word, certainly not!
However, when the overwhelming majority of those in power in the field of entertainment are liberal then you obviously have an industry that skews to the left relative to it’s political view.
This means that whenever there is an opportunity to promote liberal beliefs it is obviously taken.
There can be no argument by any rational man relative to that fact.
Now this is where “jumps in logic” get us into trouble…
Do you think that somehow the industry donated heavily to Democrats because they hope that the Democrats will support their “vast Liberal conspiracy?”
Please…you’re making my head hurt…
Industries donate to those from whom they FEEL they will recieve the most favorable legislative treatment. If the Republicans are at the forfront of calling for censorship (which we ALL should be trembling over), huge fines for “indecency” and 1.375 seconds of a boob showing at a Sporting Event (that most people MISSED except for a billion replays)… and the regulation of content…then they will not recieve the dollars that Democratic Candidates do from the Telecommunications industry…
It’s dollars, cents and regulation…these CEO’s (again) could give that proverbial “rat’s ass” about whales, trees and Global Warming…or ANYONES “agenda”…except insofar as it affects their bottom line…
I’d be far more worried about Hollywood’s influence on our culture if they weren’t so clumsy.
They are so obvious in their little games.
I have to admit that I would like to go to Cannes once. Imagine the bull in the China shop.
I can hear the liberals, “Don’t blame me I’m not part of the crazy 51%.” “Pass my Canada backpack because I’m ashamed to be American.” “Can I have a soy latte.” “I think the French are right!” “I’m not a gun toting redneck with a Confederate flag in my truck. I moisturize.”
Imagine me rolling into that pit of 165 pound weaklings. I’d wear a shirt that says, “I like to eat liberals. They taste like chicken.”
Or, “My arm is larger than your thorax.”
Or, “Need a ticket to the gun show?” See arrows pointing to my arms.
Hell, if we are going to be sterotyped, we might as well have some fun!!!
Wow, you guys have a lot of fear and misconceptions towards “liberals”. You guys are talking about fringe people, with fringe agendas, not the concept of liberalism at all.
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Jerffy, you really need to get over your big bad self. You might start to sound like master ragdoll junior if you aren’t careful.
Prof X, I will agree with you that there has been exaggeration on how many movies have a visible liberal agenda, however you seem to be claiming you do not notice a liberal agenda in any movies.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Wow, you guys have a lot of fear and misconceptions towards “liberals”. You guys are talking about fringe people, with fringe agendas, not the concept of liberalism at all.
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This game is played by both sides.
Most people with conservative leanings are not like Pat Robertson.
Unfortunately our two party system plays to the passionate fringe elements.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Prof X, I will agree with you that there has been exaggeration on how many movies have a visible liberal agenda, however you seem to be claiming you do not notice a liberal agenda in any movies.
Perhaps I just read you wrong.
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Or maybe you just aren’t reading at all. I don’t know how I could possibly make my stance any clearer than has been written in this thread almost a dozen times. Why don’t you tell me what is missing that makes my posts so apparently unclear.
I have little time here, but let me say there is not conspiracy here, really, regardless of what people try to make it look like I am saying.
What it is, as I have said before, is that since the majority of people making movies are liberals, the movies would naturally have a liberal flavor (flavour to those in Europe) but that is only because that is how they think. They don?t see it as abnormal, because it follows their belief system.
But it is subtle, not often overt. There are movies that want to put out messages, but most are just there to make money, or tell a story. Some are better then other of keeping their beliefs out of the picture though.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Wow, you guys have a lot of fear and misconceptions towards “liberals”. You guys are talking about fringe people, with fringe agendas, not the concept of liberalism at all.
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Jerffy, you really need to get over your big bad self. You might start to sound like master ragdoll junior if you aren’t careful.[/quote]
There is that buzz word that the liberals throw at you every time you disagree with one of their premises: Fear!
If enough people call you “afraid” then you will be silenced. No one likes to be called names. Men especally hate the word “afraid” when it comes to them.
Did it ever occur to you vroom that we are not afraid but fed up?
[quote]The Mage wrote:
I have little time here, but let me say there is not conspiracy here, really, regardless of what people try to make it look like I am saying.
What it is, as I have said before, is that since the majority of people making movies are liberals, the movies would naturally have a liberal flavor (flavour to those in Europe) but that is only because that is how they think. They don?t see it as abnormal, because it follows their belief system.
But it is subtle, not often overt. There are movies that want to put out messages, but most are just there to make money, or tell a story. Some are better then other of keeping their beliefs out of the picture though.
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Be fed up all you like. However, it would be nice if you heaped the blame for everything that makes you so “fed up” on the fringe groups where it belongs.
I think you might feel similar concerning the differences in views between moderate conservatives and radical neocons.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Did it ever occur to you vroom that we are not afraid but fed up?
Be fed up all you like. However, it would be nice if you heaped the blame for everything that makes you so “fed up” on the fringe groups where it belongs.
I think you might feel similar concerning the differences in views between moderate conservatives and radical neocons.[/quote]
The liberal “fringe groups” do use the buzz words like “Fear.” Then again, you just did as well!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Oh please. Don’t be silly.[/quote]
I’m not being silly. No one who took an opposing view on this thread ever indicated that they were scared. You however threw the term in as if it actually made sense. That is exactly what the left wingers do when someone disagrees with them.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
vroom wrote:
Oh please. Don’t be silly.
I’m not being silly. No one who took an opposing view on this thread ever indicated that they were scared. You however threw the term in as if it actually made sense. That is exactly what the left wingers do when someone disagrees with them.
That’s not at all silly.
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Hey Zeb, haven’t you noticed that everything vroom doesn’t agree with is ‘silly’?
Count me in as one for “fed up”, and certainly not “scared”.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Did it ever occur to you vroom that we are not afraid but fed up?
Be fed up all you like. However, it would be nice if you heaped the blame for everything that makes you so “fed up” on the fringe groups where it belongs.
I think you might feel similar concerning the differences in views between moderate conservatives and radical neocons.[/quote]
I thought he was? Part of the problem is guys who stroke their chins and pronounce how wrong we are for believing things instead of riding about on shades of grey.
And ‘neocon’ is basically a media creation to label fed up conservatives who don’t want to hide in the bushes anymore and let libs beat them to death.
Moderate conservative? Do you work in a paint store to be able to mix all these shades of grey?
Alright you two, who pissed in your cheerios this morning? Using extreme arguments of a hysterical nature without much substance shows a strong feeling.
Pick whichever one you like.
However, I would suggest that “neocon” is to conservative as “ultra” is to liberal. These represent someone out on the edge as opposed to being nearer the middle, no?