[quote]The Mage wrote:
Hey Prof.
It is kind of hard to argue with you because it does not matter what is said, you will not accept it. It could be absolute proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, and you will not be able to accept it because it is not within your belief system.[/quote]
This isn’t true. You brought up a field that I know a little about, just like if you had brought up biology. I know movies (specifically action movies) pretty well.
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So we are allowed to bring in events from 1987? I am supposed to only comment on movies from the last decade, (see below) but you are allowed to bring in events from 18 years ago?
Yes these were two ministries that definitely lost their way. But this is not just about televangelists. Religious people are often shown as uptight control freaks.[/quote]
Look at the thread going on about the debate on homosexual marriage. That doesn’t sound like control issues to you? SOME Christians take it to that level and give the rest of us a bad name. I am Christian. I have the right to say that.
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And here we have your time limit, and you twisting my statement. Others brought up a movie, and you just dismiss it. Oh it was an illegal abortion. Tell me when you see an illegal abortion in a movie, you don’t automatically think, “That wouldn’t happen if abortions were legal.” I know that is exactly what went through your head.[/quote]
I could care less about the time limit, I simply mentioned a field of time. If you want to go back farther than that, so be it. Regardless, only two movies were even mentioned. I researched both of them and even posted the synopsis of one. The one I posted doesn’t seem to be trying to convince anyone of getting an abortion or that it is a great thing. It was a concept piece. You have a problem with a movie being about certain concepts? Why?
And again the question is asked, which movies are these? Like I said, I know movies pretty well so when someone makes a comment like that, I am looking for names. It sounds like a grand generalization that you can’t back up.
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There you go again, taking some comment about movies, and twist it to say that I said there is no corruption in the police department. Are you arguing against what I am saying, or arguing against some made up character in your fantasy filled mind?[/quote]
I thought I wrote that fairly clearly. I am arguing your claim that movies are being constantly made about how dumb cops are and how evil they are. I gave you specific movies that don’t do this and you gave me nothing but more generalizations.
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Yes there is corruption, but not at the level it is shown in the movies. [/quote]
Which movies?
In what movie is this done? Putting PETA stickers on cars in a movie that no one notices (I will have to rent the movie Lethal Weapon just to see if it is even noticeable) is not liberalism, especially if no one noticed it. In fact, it is simply a claim until it is proven. I have never heard of this before and have seen no proof of it. Do you mean to tell me that you think all liberals support veganism? Do you realize how much crap is thrown into movies just to see if anyone will catch it? In Three Men and a Baby, there was an urban legend that there was a ghost in one scene of the film. The truth is, they left a cardboard cutout of one of the actors in one of the shots. Again, big deal!
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Sorry, ain’t seen the movie. But they usually don’t say what party the person belongs to, but hint at it. He supported this issue, or that issue. Then the president, what party did he belong to? Did they say? Next time pay attention to the small things. You will catch something that tells what party they belong to.[/quote]
Again, you are talking to someone who watches a lot of movies. My DVD collection is probably one of the most expensive things I own. Which movie did this? In what way? I gave you an example of a recent movie that did well at the box office that didn’t do this. All you gave me was yet another generalization. Hell, you can always find a Cher movie if it gets too hard.
I haven’t twisted anything. That is why I am quoting you directly and responding to each point. It is quite often that people don’t realize how ridiculous what they are saying is until it is shot back at them. As far as Mel’s movie, you keep hinting at liberals raising hell about it getting into movies. This was not the case. The controversy was on the content and the amount of perceived violence. Much of the resistance was directly from the Jewish community.
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And the fact of the matter is that religious movies do real good at the box office. This is a fact that I read about 5 years ago in an article that pointed this out while pointing out that Hollywood kept ignoring the fact, and didn’t? like doing those types of movies. There are plenty of religious people out there who will see any religious movie made regardless. [/quote]
I doubt that unless someone famous is in the movie. The rules don’t change that much for religious movies. Most people turned out for this in direct support of Mel Gibson, not just because of the content. The Left Behind series usually gets sent straight to DVD.
You specifically made it seem like liberalism was being blatantly promoted in films left and right, now it is too subtle to see? Does this mean you actually believe that conservative ideals are NEVER promoted in film? That is the only way what you are saying has any point at all.
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I watch the Dead Zone. USA show based on the King novel. They have the religious guy who is corrupt, and crooked. Then he backs a politician who is an evil man. I don’t think they ever said what his political party is, but being backed by a minister, former bible salesman. Comes off as a right winger to me.[/quote]
Did you read the book? I am a Stephen King fan. They are not deviating from the original book concept.
[quote]Waterworld, a movie about the environmental disaster of global warming.
The Day After Tomorrow. Another global warming movie.[/quote]
Global warming is a liberal idea? No conservatives would give a damn if this happened?
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How many movies can you find that are conservative?[/quote]
Not looking. You made the claim of all liberal movies. I haven’t seen this liberal wave of film yet.
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Now one more issue, you tried to say that religion is neither conservative, nor liberal. I disagree. Conservatives attempt to keep what is good about religion. Even I, as an atheist know that religion is the result of years of thought and experience. So I am not so willing to throw out what has come before.
Liberals tend to want to throw out all the values of religion. Other then me, how many atheists do you know that are conservative? I don’t know any myself. I may have heard of one or two, but when you look at the people trying to remove religion, eliminate it, and completely destroy it, they are always liberals. Not conservatives but liberals.
I am even certain that many of the liberals who argue on this forum would disagree with you, saying there is no reason for religion, and that it is nothing but a form of “ignorance”. That those who believe are morons lacking in intelligence.
Liberalism seems to me to be almost an attempt to eliminate any Christian beliefs and values.[/quote]
I am saying that because I am not conservative. I am also not liberal. I also believe in God. I have had the “liberal” label thrown at me by every conservative on this forum so if I am a liberal, why do I not agree with your statements? That was my only reason for even taking that position on the conservative issue as far as religion. It is being spread as if conservatives in this country have the patent on religion. They don?t. They simply hold the patent on attempting to force everyone else to accept their agenda.
