No answer, profX?
Hmmmm…who would have thought that, when pushed for an answer you would duck out?
Certainly not me.
Cat got you tongue?
I’m not going anywhere, Professor. Not until you answer my question.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
No answer, profX?
Hmmmm…who would have thought that, when pushed for an answer you would duck out?
Certainly not me.
Cat got you tongue?
I’m not going anywhere, Professor. Not until you answer my question.[/quote]
I didn’t even read your post. I don’t duck out on challenges. The beginning sounded like more nonsense so I quit reading before getting to the bottom. Please tell me, what did I label you as. To call me a hypocrit means I called you a specific label. What was it? I asked questions and specifically used terms like “it seems”. Let me know and I will answer the question as soon as you show me what I labeled you as.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I didn’t even read your post. I don’t duck out on challenges. The beginning sounded like more nonsense so I quit reading before getting to the bottom. Please tell me, what did I label you as. To call me a hypocrit means I called you a specific label. What was it? I asked questions and specifically used terms like “it seems”. Let me know and I will answer the question as soon as you show me what I labeled you as.
[/quote]
No - answer the fucking question. I know you have problems with reading. But you are proving yourself to be not only a hypocrite, but lazy as well.
So you labeled my post as nonsense before you even read it? I can’t believe you would prejudge and label someone before even reading what they had to say.
So are you a hypocrite? Or is it okay to label people now? Or is it only okay for you to do so - because you use words like “Seems”.
It’s a straight up question. To duck it like you just did takes one hell of a big man.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The Mage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Yeah, especially since I’m not a liberal. That IS odd.
Interesting.
If this is true, then what conservative positions do you support?
First let’s define “conservative ideals”. Everyone seems to have a different take on these ideals as long as it supports what they want to believe. If there are any I miss, then add them;
-pro-life ideals with regards to abortions
-pro-traditional family values (whatever that means because that would completely depend on what the individual was exposed to in his/her own family)
-deep spiritual convictions
-the role of the government (the largest major public flaw as of late because I thought conservatives wanted limited government but many keep granting them more and more power)
I personally am the son of a preacher. I have deep spritual values based on that. The difference is, I have no desire to inflict my will on others as the current “conservatives” seem to have as their goal in life. Therefore, while I personally would not take part in having an abortion for a child I helped create, I would never make a law that would make it against the law for a woman to have control of her body. Now, was there something I missed? My line of thinking is very related to promoting the “family”. I think it is the core of creating great human beings. However, I also don’t feel it is my right to force a state of censorship on every possible form of media to reach that goal in MY family. I will add more later if I have to.[/quote]
Much respect for your ideals! They keep accusing you of being evasive when you’re honesty is clear. But, they will continue with “I’m not leaving till you answer my question to my satisfication,” “It’s about ME, ME, ME,”
Like some incessent child.
Oh yeah, ProfX, answer the fucking question before I reach my almighty hand through this PC grabbing you by the throat and shaking the fucking answer out of you!
Ha, I’d like to see that.
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Oh yeah, ProfX, answer the fucking question before I reach my almighty hand through this PC grabbing you by the throat and shaking the fucking answer out of you!
Ha, I’d like to see that.[/quote]
You guys accuse me of having that attitude - show me where I’ve threatended any violence whatsover. No one has threatened violence - except you elk. But that makes it okay, right?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Oh yeah, ProfX, answer the fucking question before I reach my almighty hand through this PC grabbing you by the throat and shaking the fucking answer out of you!
Ha, I’d like to see that.
You guys accuse me of having that attitude - show me where I’ve threatended any violence whatsover. No one has threatened violence - except you elk. But that makes it okay, right?
[/quote]
Rainjack, you can’t see how your attitude invites sarcasm like my words above. No you haven’t outright threatened anyone, but when your screaming “Now answer my fucking question.” You don’t see the attitude in that.
If in your everday regular joe life if someone came up screaming Answer the Fucking Question! Would you need a translater to decipher for you that this person was the bearer of good tidings or conversely might just want to rip your head off?
Your attitude reeks of overbearing, bully, I’m a bad ass, get out of my way or I’ll kick your ass, machismo. You have the right to act that way if you want, but don’t act like a babe in the woods “Where, oh where, has sweet lil 'ol me ever threatened anyone?,” inoccent. ProfX and Vroom often pose honest viewpoints and what they get from you are insulting tirades that don’t offer anything.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
No - answer the fucking question.[/quote]
I am answering the question by asking you to tell me what I labeled you as. What name did I call you? I already know the answer to this which is why the question is asked.
[quote]
So you labeled my post as nonsense before you even read it? I can’t believe you would prejudge and label someone before even reading what they had to say. [/quote]
No, read again. I started reading, read your insults, got immediately turned off by it and went to the next post. If you want people to take you seriously, respond seriously instead of like I would expect some ten year olds to respond.
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Rainjack, you can’t see how your attitude invites sarcasm like my words above. No you haven’t outright threatened anyone, but when your screaming “Now answer my fucking question.” You don’t see the attitude in that. [/quote]
There’s a big difference in posing as a keyboard warrior as you have suggested, and me demanding an answer. I’m not denying that I’m an opinionated ass. I think you’ve made that point before. But I don’t front.
Well - I think he would want me to answer the fucking question.
No - it reeks of being sick and tired of a known bully trying to pull his shit on me and change the subject. I won’t be bullied. The very things you accuse me of are the very reasons that there are many, many people down here, and in other threads that are sick and tired of Professor X.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
No - it reeks of being sick and tired of a known bully trying to pull his shit on me and change the subject. I won’t be bullied. The very things you accuse me of are the very reasons that there are many, many people down here, and in other threads that are sick and tired of Professor X. [/quote]
Dude, this is getting ridiculous. None of us are bullshitters to any degree worthy of calling someone else out on that alone. I tell people exactly what I think. If they don’t like it, they can kiss my ass. That has been my attitude on this site since I first logged in what has to be 5 years ago or so. I have not changed and for every person who tells me that someone is fed up with me, I get 10 more pm’s and emails telling me thank you for responding like I did. Because of that, I know that overall, my responses have had a positive effect because at the base, my goal is to help people.
You can go through every post I have made and very rarely am I just cutting someone down for no reason at all without attempting to point them in the right direction. If I do crack jokes, it is clearly that, a freaking joke. I don’t make apologies for that and don’t expect anyone else to. Quit whining about everything…and I do mean EVERYTHING.
Professor - your judgement of me is quite apparent in the previous posts. You yourself that labeling was just prejudging someone and putting them in a box. You do remember saying that, right. Do I need to put it in quotey thingies and post it here? You copmpared me to “thousands” just like me. That would be a label. You made reference to my ‘group’. isn’t that a label?
You have judged me and put me in boxes several times - check out the illegal immigrant thread if you need a refresher. Perhaps you should also check out the credit card debt thread as well.
I won’t deny that I label folks - in fact I don’t think it is such a bad thing. The problem I have is when folks like you seem to think that your judgement of others is not labeling, and then have the stones to tell me to stop.
I’m not going to do your work for you. There is more than enough in this thread alone to prove my point.
If you choose to duck and run yet again, that is your choice. But drop the self-righteous bullshit.
I’m not whining. I call bullshit when I see it, and your hypocrisy is bullshit.
So you consider it whining when someone calls bullshit on you? That’s an easy out.
Well Rainjack, I will do my best to be cordial to you sir and respectfully disagree with you. If one were to ask my honest opinion about whether or not Rainjack or ProfX were bullies, I would have to say that you have exhibited that behavior and not the Professor.
You don’t like, dare I say you despise him, because 1. he has a viewpoint that differs from yours and 2. He expresses that differing viewpoint intelligently which makes it harder for you to discredit.
It’s frustrating for people that operate through intimidation when they have a person who isn’t scared of them and can rationally dismantle the bullies aggressive bellowing.
I am not a blind sycophant of ProfX or Vroom. We just happen to be people that are like minded and I respect and admire the way they express their view points even if it differs from my own. I am not a religious person and the ProfX is, but I wholly respect how he can separate the two. He is firm in his beliefs, but doesn’t feel the need to preach them to me. That is the kind of thinking I can fully respect and the kind of person I would want to work with if the need arose.
Thats is what it’s about Rainjack trying to understand our differing viewpoints not screaming “you’re a fucking idiot, let me show you how fucking stupid you are,”. Try a different approach once in awhile and quit trying to slander ProfX just because he won’t tell you, you are right how could I have ever disagreed with you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The Mage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Yeah, especially since I’m not a liberal. That IS odd.
Interesting.
If this is true, then what conservative positions do you support?
First let’s define “conservative ideals”. Everyone seems to have a different take on these ideals as long as it supports what they want to believe. If there are any I miss, then add them;
-pro-life ideals with regards to abortions
-pro-traditional family values (whatever that means because that would completely depend on what the individual was exposed to in his/her own family)
-deep spiritual convictions
-the role of the government (the largest major public flaw as of late because I thought conservatives wanted limited government but many keep granting them more and more power)
I personally am the son of a preacher. I have deep spritual values based on that. The difference is, I have no desire to inflict my will on others as the current “conservatives” seem to have as their goal in life. Therefore, while I personally would not take part in having an abortion for a child I helped create, I would never make a law that would make it against the law for a woman to have control of her body. Now, was there something I missed? My line of thinking is very related to promoting the “family”. I think it is the core of creating great human beings. However, I also don’t feel it is my right to force a state of censorship on every possible form of media to reach that goal in MY family. I will add more later if I have to.[/quote]
I would propose that they are universal convictions shared by most of the electorate.
It’s the role of government in fostering those ideals that makes you a liberal or a conservative.
For example I believe in family values. I think parents should raise their children and teach them responsibility and be the primary person responsible for their education and development. Does that make me conservative?
Elk, I think you’re wrong.
You may not be blind, but I think you should get your glasses checked.
When I try to see both sides I got attacked for “running back and forth from one side to the other” (author to remain nameless)…so that’s fine with me. I have no further interest in trying to get along with the other side.
Professor X is indeed a bully.
He talks down to people, he misquotes and mischaracterizes people, and he flat out lies about people.
I’m not vroom, I don’t have the time or inclanation to sit here and dig out half a dozen well edited points to prove it to you.
I’m with RJ solidly here.
I’m just sorry you’re over there. Anyone who likes Jeremiah Johnson has gotta be a good bro!
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Thats is what it’s about Rainjack trying to understand our differing viewpoints not screaming “you’re a fucking idiot, let me show you how fucking stupid you are,”. Try a different approach once in awhile and quit trying to slander ProfX just because he won’t tell you, you are right how could I have ever disagreed with you. [/quote]
Then we have a difference of opinion. I happen to think thet ProfessorX is everything you just described me as being. I could give a shit whether he agrees with me. or not. If memory serves me correctly - prof and I have rarely, if ever, been on the same side of an argument. So to say that I am acting up because he disgrees with me is just wrong.
His hypocrisy wrt this whole labeling thing is what is stuck in my craw. You wanna call me names? Go ahead. It’s not like folks on the left have never called folks on the right names.
But be honest about it. Prof is hiding from the real issue - his hypocrisy, and that does piss me off. It’s bullshit and he knows it.
If I was doing all the screaming, you might have a point. But as it stands, I’m just one of many, on both sides that are vocal and partisan. To make it anything more than that is stretching it a bit too far.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
I don’t have the time or inclanation to sit here and dig out half a dozen well edited points to prove it to you.
[/quote]
That is because you couldn’t. I would actually dare you to, but I know you can’t.
[quote]hedo wrote:
I would propose that they are universal convictions shared by most of the electorate.
It’s the role of government in fostering those ideals that makes you a liberal or a conservative.
For example I believe in family values. I think parents should raise their children and teach them responsibility and be the primary person responsible for their education and development. Does that make me conservative?
[/quote]
You may be absolutely right, but doesn’t that bump heads directly with wanting “smaller government”? My personal opinion is that many “conservatives” today seem to be on some kind of power trip where they feel it is their right and need to force the entire world to think and act like them. Am I the only one that sees a problem with that?
JW
I got to go with Elk here. I have fallen victim to this trap recently, and have decided to step away for awhile. It’s easy to begin discussing the issues and then make it personal once the conflicting beliefs become apparent.
The focus of the original topic is often quickly lost, and the attacks become personal in nature. If you honestly can’t see it, you’re too close and need to step back. Any thread on this site with more than 20 post invariably has personal conflict going on. Not ideology, but personal conflict arising from differing viewpoints.
It’s quite obvious after numerous posts how a person feels and often times references to past thoughts are brought up in the current argument. At that point the posts take on a confrontational tone, and it snowballs. I’m not preaching, I’m guilty.
I’d know the topics elicit strong emotions. It is not a sign of weakness to admit someone made a good point that directly conflicts with yours. It just shows the ability to learn and digest new info. I’d like to think that I’ll do better next time.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
JW
I got to go with Elk here. I have fallen victim to this trap recently, and have decided to step away for awhile. It’s easy to begin discussing the issues and then make it personal once the conflicting beliefs become apparent.
The focus of the original topic is often quickly lost, and the attacks become personal in nature. If you honestly can’t see it, you’re too close and need to step back. Any thread on this site with more than 20 post invariably has personal conflict going on. Not ideology, but personal conflict arising from differing viewpoints.
It’s quite obvious after numerous posts how a person feels and often times references to past thoughts are brought up in the current argument. At that point the posts take on a confrontational tone, and it snowballs. I’m not preaching, I’m guilty.
I’d know the topics elicit strong emotions. It is not a sign of weakness to admit someone made a good point that directly conflicts with yours. It just shows the ability to learn and digest new info. I’d like to think that I’ll do better next time.[/quote]
Everyone wants to make this about personal attacks - it’s not. It’s simply about someone stepping up and admitting his hypocisy.
I seriously doubt that will happen. But that is the only issue that I have presented in the last several posts.