AIG & This Joke of an Administration

[quote]tom63 wrote:
sherekahn wrote:
Krauthammer nailed it as usual but read what
David Warren wrote about Obama in general.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/too_clever_by_half.html

For some reason, I don’t even hate to say, “I told you so.”

I’m enjoying the shit out of this guy. Anytime someone in the future makes fun of some conservative and their supposed lack of brains, Obama will be brought up. this guy is going to out Carter the biggest fool of the 20th century, Jimmy Carter.[/quote]

He might out stupid carter, but not in the 20th century :slight_smile:

[quote]Chip Duglass wrote:
I didn’t look into the article the OP posted, though I would like to bring up this: The Dems are so pissed off that AIG is giving our tax money to pay off bonuses to those that fucked up the company to begin with, but they aren’t pissed at the fact that over half of AIG’s bailout was given to overseas banks??? They don’t want us to know about that. Thankfully I watched Glenn Beck today :)[/quote]

If anyone deserves to be hit by a bus, it’s Glenn Beck.

The AIG execs don’t want you to know that when they - or was it other execs? no matter, really - offered to take a pay cut, it was because 20% of the their income is from salary while the remaining 80% is usually from bonuses.

And I love the argument that if we screw with the bonus/pay structure for financial executives we will deter “talent” from coming on board. Sure.

I can see that you must be very successful in managing large businesses yourself: or if not, you should certainly go into it as a consultant.

There’s just no way that a company offering a lesser pay and compensation package would have anything to do with the “talent” (you seem to think quotation marks are appropriate) of executives they can attract, compared to other companies.

You’re right, that is completely irrelevant. Lower salary and no bonuses (or any bonuses that there are, being taxed 90%) would never be reason a given employee or potential employee would decide to instead work somewhere else.

Or if it were, it wouldn’t matter, as really anyone can do the job equally well. Why would you be willing to pay highly for the best it seemed you could find in terms of proven track record to date in handling very large operations or amounts of money, where wrong decisions could cost the company hundreds of millions or even a billion, or particularly good ones could be similarly profitable.

Why would you even care about best track record of experience even if trillions were being handled? Who cares, not important. It doesn’t take experience or ability: I mean, look at Obama!

There you have it.

The Toxic Assets we elected by George Will…

Everyonr cries that we need to keep these companies(AIG, GM, Chrysler) from going bankrupt in the case of AIG it is only one part of AIG that is the problem the rest could have been split up and sold off to other companies but now thoses other healthy parts of AIG are now dying do to people not wanting to anything to do with AIG I’m affraid that it might be to late to sell off AIG as the rest of the parts are loosing to much market share

Resignation letter from an AIG VP to Mr. Liddy.

Here is the e-mail in full. DeSantis agreed to a salary of $1 per year while dismantling AIG-FP.

DEAR Mr. Liddy,

It is with deep regret that I submit my notice of resignation from A.I.G. Financial Products. I hope you take the time to read this entire letter. Before describing the details of my decision, I want to offer some context:

I am proud of everything I have done for the commodity and equity divisions of A.I.G.-F.P. I was in no way involved in ? or responsible for ? the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G. Nor were more than a handful of the 400 current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. Most of those responsible have left the company and have conspicuously escaped the public outrage.

After 12 months of hard work dismantling the company ? during which A.I.G. reassured us many times we would be rewarded in March 2009 ? we in the financial products unit have been betrayed by A.I.G. and are being unfairly persecuted by elected officials. In response to this, I will now leave the company and donate my entire post-tax retention payment to those suffering from the global economic downturn. My intent is to keep none of the money myself.

I take this action after 11 years of dedicated, honorable service to A.I.G. I can no longer effectively perform my duties in this dysfunctional environment, nor am I being paid to do so. Like you, I was asked to work for an annual salary of $1, and I agreed out of a sense of duty to the company and to the public officials who have come to its aid. Having now been let down by both, I can no longer justify spending 10, 12, 14 hours a day away from my family for the benefit of those who have let me down.

You and I have never met or spoken to each other, so I?d like to tell you about myself. I was raised by schoolteachers working multiple jobs in a world of closing steel mills. My hard work earned me acceptance to M.I.T., and the institute?s generous financial aid enabled me to attend. I had fulfilled my American dream.

I started at this company in 1998 as an equity trader, became the head of equity and commodity trading and, a couple of years before A.I.G.?s meltdown last September, was named the head of business development for commodities. Over this period the equity and commodity units were consistently profitable ? in most years generating net profits of well over $100 million. Most recently, during the dismantling of A.I.G.-F.P., I was an integral player in the pending sale of its well-regarded commodity index business to UBS. As you know, business unit sales like this are crucial to A.I.G.?s effort to repay the American taxpayer.

The profitability of the businesses with which I was associated clearly supported my compensation. I never received any pay resulting from the credit default swaps that are now losing so much money. I did, however, like many others here, lose a significant portion of my life savings in the form of deferred compensation invested in the capital of A.I.G.-F.P. because of those losses. In this way I have personally suffered from this controversial activity ? directly as well as indirectly with the rest of the taxpayers.

I have the utmost respect for the civic duty that you are now performing at A.I.G. You are as blameless for these credit default swap losses as I am. You answered your country?s call and you are taking a tremendous beating for it.

But you also are aware that most of the employees of your financial products unit had nothing to do with the large losses. And I am disappointed and frustrated over your lack of support for us. I and many others in the unit feel betrayed that you failed to stand up for us in the face of untrue and unfair accusations from certain members of Congress last Wednesday and from the press over our retention payments, and that you didn?t defend us against the baseless and reckless comments made by the attorneys general of New York and Connecticut.

My guess is that in October, when you learned of these retention contracts, you realized that the employees of the financial products unit needed some incentive to stay and that the contracts, being both ethical and useful, should be left to stand. That?s probably why A.I.G. management assured us on three occasions during that month that the company would ?live up to its commitment? to honor the contract guarantees.

That may be why you decided to accelerate by three months more than a quarter of the amounts due under the contracts. That action signified to us your support, and was hardly something that one would do if he truly found the contracts ?distasteful.?

That may also be why you authorized the balance of the payments on March 13.

At no time during the past six months that you have been leading A.I.G. did you ask us to revise, renegotiate or break these contracts ? until several hours before your appearance last week before Congress.

I think your initial decision to honor the contracts was both ethical and financially astute, but it seems to have been politically unwise. It?s now apparent that you either misunderstood the agreements that you had made ? tacit or otherwise ? with the Federal Reserve, the Treasury, various members of Congress and Attorney General Andrew Cuomo of New York, or were not strong enough to withstand the shifting political winds.

You?ve now asked the current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. to repay these earnings. As you can imagine, there has been a tremendous amount of serious thought and heated discussion about how we should respond to this breach of trust.

As most of us have done nothing wrong, guilt is not a motivation to surrender our earnings. We have worked 12 long months under these contracts and now deserve to be paid as promised. None of us should be cheated of our payments any more than a plumber should be cheated after he has fixed the pipes but a careless electrician causes a fire that burns down the house.

Many of the employees have, in the past six months, turned down job offers from more stable employers, based on A.I.G.?s assurances that the contracts would be honored. They are now angry about having been misled by A.I.G.?s promises and are not inclined to return the money as a favor to you.

The only real motivation that anyone at A.I.G.-F.P. now has is fear. Mr. Cuomo has threatened to ?name and shame,? and his counterpart in Connecticut, Richard Blumenthal, has made similar threats ? even though attorneys general are supposed to stand for due process, to conduct trials in courts and not the press.

So what am I to do? There?s no easy answer. I know that because of hard work I have benefited more than most during the economic boom and have saved enough that my family is unlikely to suffer devastating losses during the current bust. Some might argue that members of my profession have been overpaid, and I wouldn?t disagree.

That is why I have decided to donate 100 percent of the effective after-tax proceeds of my retention payment directly to organizations that are helping people who are suffering from the global downturn. This is not a tax-deduction gimmick; I simply believe that I at least deserve to dictate how my earnings are spent, and do not want to see them disappear back into the obscurity of A.I.G.?s or the federal government?s budget. Our earnings have caused such a distraction for so many from the more pressing issues our country faces, and I would like to see my share of it benefit those truly in need.

On March 16 I received a payment from A.I.G. amounting to $742,006.40, after taxes. In light of the uncertainty over the ultimate taxation and legal status of this payment, the actual amount I donate may be less ? in fact, it may end up being far less if the recent House bill raising the tax on the retention payments to 90 percent stands. Once all the money is donated, you will immediately receive a list of all recipients.

This choice is right for me. I wish others at A.I.G.-F.P. luck finding peace with their difficult decision, and only hope their judgment is not clouded by fear.

Mr. Liddy, I wish you success in your commitment to return the money extended by the American government, and luck with the continued unwinding of the company?s diverse businesses ? especially those remaining credit default swaps. I?ll continue over the short term to help make sure no balls are dropped, but after what?s happened this past week I can?t remain much longer ? there is too much bad blood. I?m not sure how you will greet my resignation, but at least Attorney General Blumenthal should be relieved that I?ll leave under my own power and will not need to be ?shoved out the door.?

Sincerely,

Jake DeSantis

There’s three primary groups of people watching this disastrous ultra leftist apocalypse unfold right now:

1> Those of us who absolutely knew they were going to do this and screamed the warnings at the top of our lungs.

2> Those who also knew they were going to do this and voted for it.

3> The political illiterates who voted for it (or against the republicans) without knowing that’s what they were voting for.

I have more respect for the self aware committed socialists than I do for the brain dead convictionless moderates who decide every election including this one

Well, the “brain dead convictionless moderates” are going to have whatever emotions television ceaselessly feeds to them, and will vote accordingly.

Hedo–

That letter is great. I hope it gets lots of media time (it won’t). The letter, in short, summarizes a large part of my views on the bonus debacle. The other part being that the ‘crisis’ is merely a distraction when considering all the other money from the stimulus to be spent in some way.

I feel bad for AIG employees like that who are now going to be publicly vilified for something they did not do, and over money that they should be paid as per their contract, even if I think they’re overpaid in general. The legislation to increase taxes on retentions is obviously unconstitutional and I hope it is struck down.

Oh… and that’s a badass George Will column as well. Sometimes I find him in error, but not this time. Not by a long shot.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
There’s three primary groups of people watching this disastrous ultra leftist apocalypse unfold right now:

1> Those of us who absolutely knew they were going to do this and screamed the warnings at the top of our lungs.

2> Those who also knew they were going to do this and voted for it.

3> The political illiterates who voted for it (or against the republicans) without knowing that’s what they were voting for.

I have more respect for the self aware committed socialists than I do for the brain dead convictionless moderates who decide every election including this one[/quote]

I know more than a few moderates who voted for BO. Before the election I’d ask them: do you agree with this policy goal of his? “Nope.” How about this one? “Nope.” Do you like how he’s voted in the Senate? “Nope.” etc… So why the fuck are you voting for this guy? The answers I got were usually along the lines of: “we need change” (the very phrase would throw me into a rage by October), and/or “I want a guy in the white house who is articulate and smart, sophisticated, etc…” - you know, in other words, “sort of how I like to think of myself.”

A case of national narcissism: I vote for whomever reflects an ideal version of myself. This was so strong that no evidence of Obama’s previous voting behavior, his biography, his “ideas” - none of it seemed to matter. Idiots.

One hedge fund manager I know recently went to a small business convention here in Boston - that morning he was still an Obama supporter; yet, by drinks that evening he was raving anti-Obama maniac. Why? Because for the first time he saw how BO’s policies will effect small businesses - which, as he knows - are the businesses that generate the majority of jobs and growth.

Put simply, I think that many of the moderates I know (hedgefund/financial types, lawyers in big city law firms, academics) are too abstracted from reality to work out the practical ramifications of an infantile leftism; and too mesmerized by their own narcissistic fantasies to see the danger in Obama’s adolescent grandosity.

Great story about Rahm Emanuel from his hometown newspaper.

The guy was at the very center of the mortgage fiasco and now is whispering sweet nothings in Obama’s ear about how to fix it.

What a fucking disaster this is turning into.