We’re all different. A majority of TRT users have no clue about anything, are put on 200mg and live a great life pounding their wife on the daily. Some folks have issues and have to try other shit. Thankfully we have a place like this forum to help guide us through our issues and help figure out what’s wrong. Since each of us are different we have to take advice as not a road map to success but as one of many roads we can go down to see if it’s the right path for us. Life itself is no different. Many of us go down the same path as others and end up with a completely different outcome. Some of us nail it the first time while the rest of us need to try several times before we get where we want to be. Some of us never make it there and it’s unfortunate but it’s life. We are extremely lucky to have such a diverse offering of advice here that there’s a good chance one them will get us close at the very least.
That’s very reassuring and motivating…
Currently doing 20mg test E eod, better libido than any other protocol so far, but I might be too high still.
I tell you this, like a year ago I did subQ test E, 20mg EOD, after 2 weeks my libido became like a ravage, extremely strong - unfortunately, I got all the other side effects of low testosterone with it: Low mood, energy, and all that shit, making me discontinue it ASAP.
As of now: I will try out 20mg IM EOD for 5-6 more weeks, then readjust from there If I have to. Maybe I will try subQ once again, but many people do seem to get lower total levels of testosterone doing it subQ, but maybe that is what I need.
Remember this: There IS a protocol out there which will bring a great libido back, wether that is IM, subQ, low or high dosages - AI or not - its there, all we gotta do is find it and ALL we gotta do is stop listening to random people trying to sound like they found the holy grail and are now “experts” - im pretty sure you know who Im talking about.
I know it. Unfortunately not every gazelle gets to cross the river but they all have to try. Life be like that sometimes.
There are almost 1500 people in our FB group. Guess how many of those are doing as low as 20mg EOD and thriving? Zero. That’s how many. You’re probably a one in ten thousand case. The vast majority are doing well. You will need to find a protocol that works for you. But to claim what 1000+ guys are doing (and thriving) being BS, because it doesn’t work for you, is nonsense. You’re clearly a special case and I can assure you that practically nobody will thrive on the best protocol you wind up finding for yourself. You’re an exception. You are not the norm. Stating what the vast majority of men are doing as BS is sheer ignorance.
What’s odd is that the only time we tell folks to try a dose raise is when they’ve tried every other protocol and nothing helped. So we suggest trying more. If 140mg works for someone why in the world would we tell them to raise their dose? I know I would not and you would not. it’s very odd to see someone base their argument on that when that’s not the basis of raising a dose. Including estrogen.
I can only say that there is allot of bias happening with the accusations against you.
Everyone should realize that many docs out there are scared to raise a dose in men. Many men are on trt and get stuck at a 20 feee t and the doctor says “If trt isn’t working it must be something else” or “it’s estrogen “.
They in turn look for a solution outside of hormones. Later they are told by our group of doctors that trying a little bit more T (due to toxins and etc) is a good option before saying “ trt doesn’t work for me”.
Rarely does a man say 100mg works for him. They are 1 in a thousand. 90% of the time men who find trt not working simply need more. We aren’t talking 300mg. We are saying increase your 150 to 180 or 200.
I don’t know man. It’s a waste of time when someone misquotes and wants to change the meaning behind what you say and do.
The good news is that this is one bad apple out of a thousand success stories that says it doesn’t work. I know that thousands are being helped with these suggestions and we don’t see a hundred guys here on tnation complaining Danny bossa and other doctors are ruining men’s lives by increasing doses and estrogen. I know that’s a fact.
I do know that the overwhelming tune of trt not working for men is those that control estrogen or are on an ai. They are constantly banging their head on a wall. How often do you see guys like me who don’t bother with estrogen say trt isn’t working. Rarely. It’s usually the opposite.
Stop wasting your time when this guy. If someone is nieve enough to follow his recommendations let them do it.
Oh, there are many who have complained, trust me. Im not alone, there are people on this very forum, and ive been contacted by many guys aswell as they saw how he threated me in the group. Many guys in the group dont even DARE to question him anymore, cause they just end up getting banned. Kinda sad to see actually. Its becoming like a cult.
No one gives a shit about your “muh 1500 people”, do u have any clue what so ever how many people are on TRT world wide? Do you understand that when you ban people who do not agree with ur “consensus” - from your own group - it creates an echo chamber where you all convince eachother ure enlightened and “everyone else stupid!!” ? HOW many of them have TRIED 20 eod? Do you understand that Mark Gordon - The doc u interviewed and didnt like people critiqieing - use 40-60, 80mg of test E AT MOST on ALL his patients? Were u aware of that mr bossa, hmm?
And no, you are the “special case” who need 300mg test a week - a steroid cycle for most - to “feel good”. So YOU are the exception here, NOT the norm.
Only one who is ignorant here is you, as many have understood by now, you are getting recognised in this whole community as somewhat of a clown, which is too bad as it bring down the status of Stevens channel.
I was there when he banned people and allot of it was guys like you who are confrontational and have a thin skin. Sure he might if booted one or two he didn’t have to.
The fact of the matter is guys like you love to argue and start arguments.
I recall many men joining the group just to stir the pot and get banned so they could say “yup he banned me to”.
Plenty of guys came to the group and disagreed. They opened their minds and we have a gentlemanly debate. Agree to disagree. They left in their own or are in the group.
Many a man came back and apologized for their behavior.
You sound like you are extremely angry all the time. You have no peace in your heart. Who gives a damn what danny does or says. You disagree with him. Are very rude and disruptive with your comments.
I am amazed how people can come into a group with the intention of stirring the pot and then confirming danny banned them. They pretty much forced his hand and mine. I also banned guys for being dicks.
Go start your own group and ban people you want to ban. I bet you would ban me for my stance against ai and blockage of ai. You would ban all of them because it’s your group.
Shit defy banned me because I told someone “do not donate blood with a 52 HCT” this is not high. Did I go ranting and cursing and being a dick about this? Screw em. They are dumb. The only person who needs to know this is me.
I joined that group. Was on it for a few weeks, then left.
I found it to be way too black and white. Almost Nazi-ish. Our way or nothing at all.
Danny’s facebook group? Or a different one?
I’m sure that’s the one he means.
Sounds right, just saw enackers said something about Defy and wondering of they had a group that ws like that too
Yes.
I left after the big fallout between Danny and Dr. Nichols.
That, and the reasons I mentioned above, are the reason I bailed. Plus the daily thing wasn’t working for me.
I know many people who have tried it out and it dont work at all for. He ignores all these cases, for some reason.