I can’t seem to get my bp down. It’s regularly 140/85. Is high e2 the culprit?
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Not really much information from you to give feedback on. Frankly, I doubt that it’s E2 related. But you could maybe give us some info to work with.
Doubt it’s e2. My diet is in check, don’t drink or smoke. Workout 4 days a week. Do cardio. Why in the hell is my bp High? It could be related to caffeine honestly. I drink a few cups in morning which is ab 300mg and I could be over sensitive. Not real sure
How are you measuring your blood pressure?
What’s current weight and general bodyfat?
I had the same problem, turned out it was iron, potassium, vitamin C and vitamin D deficiency all of which TRT can cause, especially if your diet is poor. It can be a simple as a mineral deficiency.
You need extensive lab testing or you are lost. Don’t be passive, find a doctor who specializes in hormones and nutrition.
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If you’re measuring it correctly and have high BP, and you have high E2, it is most certainly the issue.
@increasemyt lol! Please show me anything that demonstrates higher levels estrogen with men on TRT causing high blood pressure. Why is it that none of the men I deal with have high estrogen and zero issues with blood pressure?
I have no idea where you come up with this stuff. None. It’s like you just pull information out of your butt, post it here, and claim it to be true. It isn’t. I’m sorry, it just isn’t.
Keep obsessing about E2, by all means. I’ll keep obsessing how I’m having sex 3 times a day with cialis grade boners all the while with “sky high E2”. It’s just hilarious.
Well in the last 10 years I have worked with about 3,000 different men on TRT personally. I know you pull stuff out of your ass but I do not.
But to please your peanut brain, here is a study confirming high E2 affects water retention negatively.
Are you suggesting water retention does not affect blood pressure?
Abstract
To determine if estrogen upregulates osmotic secretion of arginine vasopressin (AVP) and alters body water balance, we infused hypertonic (3% NaCl) saline in 6 women (68 +/- 3 yr) after 14 days of 17 beta-estradiol (transdermal patch, approximately 0.1 mg/day, E2) and placebo (control) administration. Hypertonic saline was infused at 0.1 ml.kg-1.min-1 for 120 min, and after a 30-min equilibration period, the subjects drank water ad libitum for 180 min. E2 increased basal plasma estradiol concentration from < or = 12 to 80 +/- 12 pg/ml and plasma AVP concentration (P[AVP]) from 2.1 +/- 0.7 to 3.1 +/- 0.8 pg/ml (P < 0.05), but not plasma osmolality (Posm, 288 +/- 1 and 287 +/- 1, for control and E2, respectively). Hypertonic saline infusion increased Posm by 18 +/- 1 and 17 +/- 1 mosmol/kgH2O and P[AVP] by 5.2 +/- 0.5 and 4.9 +/- 0.4 pg/ml for control and E2 treatments, respectively. The P[AVP]-Posm relationship shifted upward after E2, with no change in sensitivity (slope, 0.36 +/- 0.02 and 0.33 +/- 0.03 pg.ml-1.mosmol-1 for control and E2, respectively). Water intake was similar between control and E2 (24 vs. 22 ml/kg), but by 180 min of drinking, urine output and free water clearance (CH2O) were reduced by 5.6 +/- 2.3 ml/kg and 2.6 +/- 2.0 ml/min, respectively (P < 0.05) after E2. Plasma aldosterone concentration was unaffected by E2, but fractional sodium excretion was reduced from 2.7 +/- 0.5 to 1.7 +/- 0.4% (P < 0.05) at 180 min of drinking. Our data suggest that E2 augments osmotic AVP secretion, thereby implicating elevated AVP as a contributor to water retention in high E2 states; however, an increase in renal sodium reabsorption was a major component of the enhanced fluid retention.
Estrogen influences osmotic secretion of AVP and body water balance in postmenopausal women.
@increasemyt someone doing something for a long time is no proof whatsoever of them doing it the right way. If you’re blocking E2 you’re doing it wrong. Period.
Still waiting for you to show me anything that demonstrates higher levels of estrogen in men on TRT causing high blood pressure. Just send me ONE. I’ll wait patiently. You won’t be able to find one because it is FALSE. Back up your claims.
Just because there has never been a study on men on TRT proving water retention then proving that water retention leads to high blood pressure means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
You are so desperate to validate your point that you are eliminating any suggestion of this fact that has been clearly documented by people practicing TRT therapy for 2 decades.
You need to stop leading people to believe that you understand the effects of TRT because it is painfully obvious every time you speak of something you are only referring to real life experiences about yourself.
That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen lol This is common knowledge to anyone who is involved in a TRT practice.
Water retention. This isn’t high blood pressure. Some men get TEMPORARY water retention which goes away on its own.
Here’s the problem:
The doctors I deal with did it your way for ages. They found a better way. That better way has been demonstrated. They’ve moved on. Evolved. You’re still stuck in the 90’s. I speak to Dr Nichols at least an hour a day by phone. Dr Howell, Dr Serrano several times a week. My knowledge isn’t only personal experience. It’s what they have taught me. I guarantee my entire net worth that they are EONS ahead of what you are doing. In their eyes you are a troll running a T mill. They didn’t want to spend 5 minutes debating you because the things you talk about are laughable. Go block your E2 and tell people how it causes high blood pressure. By all means. I’ve had a riot of a time sending screenshots of what you post here to the docs. They can’t believe you do this for a living. They think I’m making it up. No BS.
Oh, please come and post your research in our group. You would get FLAMED
For everyone reading, @dbossa doesn’t understand this stuff cause he is new, he doesn’t understand the reason there are no studies on a lot of stuff we talk about is because TRT, being accepted in the medical community, is so new.
Finding studies concerning estradiol with men on T is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Number one people are still figuring out that men even need estradiol to being with. 5 years ago, and I am sure even in some places today, you could tell a doctor you wanted to check your estradiol and they would tell you men don’t need to worry about estradiol.
So there is no surprise there are no studies on this stuff because the medical community just figured out not long ago that estradiol is even important for men.
As @systemlord stated my high BP was helped with iron, potassium, vit C & D as well as cleaning up my diet. I was 120/60 and went to 150’s/80 (probably even higher). Get some blood work done so you can see what’s going on.
Anyone who has any decent experience with testosterone and aromatase inhibitors knows that they reduce water retention AND acne.
When either of you post I already know what the others response is going to be lol (thankful to have both of you here)
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