Advice = The WISE don’t need it, the FOOLS won’t heed it.
I didn’t read any of the replies so apologies if this has been said. I’d keep to myself. Just YOU make sure your shit is together and the “mooks” will eventually realize they are doing stuff wrong. Then maybe they will learn to do it correctly.
Think in these terms, You are at the gym to make yourself better right? Only worry about what you are doing UNLESS someone is doing some seriously unsafe shit and could get you or other hurt by their dumbassery; such as trying a snatch and tossing the bar at someone. even then, be as polite as possible. You may end up with a decent training partner someday or at the very least someone who may live learn and pass on themselves.
Definition of moron: Informal. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.
Maybe I was a bit harsh but I was venting. Plus, I was at the end of a night shift and I was tired. However, some of these new gym members are just that; notably stupid or lacking good judgement. I mean, the pin selected weight machines have instructions and diagrams on them. The NOOBS don’t read it.
NOOBS in the gym can look around and see who is big / fit and who is not. Watch the big / fit lifters and do what they do. Swole lifters don’t do LAP pulldowns or bouncy leg presses.
I learned lifts by reading Muscle & Fitness in high school and watching other lifters in the gym who were walking around with results on them. Nowdays, I reference YouTube & T-Nation.
I think responders in this thread are right and I will head the advice. I will not say anything to them. The personal trainers or the gym owner can address it if they want to.
I really think I am a pretty pleasant and friendly guy. That’s why I would want to help people. But to get attention in the thread, I used the title I did and I used the language I did to stir the pot a bit and get some responses. Worked. Thanks.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
So partial ROM is working for you, huh?[/quote]
Yup. The majority of my training is ROM progression, and my assistance work is all partial ROM stuff for the most part. I don’t see a whole lot of benefit in full ROM work as I’m rarely weak on all parts of a movement, and instead have strong and weak parts. I hit the weak parts and ignore the strong.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
So partial ROM is working for you, huh?[/quote]
Yup. The majority of my training is ROM progression, and my assistance work is all partial ROM stuff for the most part. I don’t see a whole lot of benefit in full ROM work as I’m rarely weak on all parts of a movement, and instead have strong and weak parts. I hit the weak parts and ignore the strong.[/quote]
[quote]XLR8MyLife wrote:
Definition of moron: Informal. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.
Maybe I was a bit harsh but I was venting. Plus, I was at the end of a night shift and I was tired. However, some of these new gym members are just that; notably stupid or lacking good judgement. I mean, the pin selected weight machines have instructions and diagrams on them. The NOOBS don’t read it.
NOOBS in the gym can look around and see who is big / fit and who is not. Watch the big / fit lifters and do what they do. Swole lifters don’t do LAP pulldowns or bouncy leg presses.
I learned lifts by reading Muscle & Fitness in high school and watching other lifters in the gym who were walking around with results on them. Nowdays, I reference YouTube & T-Nation.
I think responders in this thread are right and I will head the advice. I will not say anything to them. The personal trainers or the gym owner can address it if they want to.
I really think I am a pretty pleasant and friendly guy. That’s why I would want to help people. But to get attention in the thread, I used the title I did and I used the language I did to stir the pot a bit and get some responses. Worked. Thanks.
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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
So partial ROM is working for you, huh?[/quote]
Yup. The majority of my training is ROM progression, and my assistance work is all partial ROM stuff for the most part. I don’t see a whole lot of benefit in full ROM work as I’m rarely weak on all parts of a movement, and instead have strong and weak parts. I hit the weak parts and ignore the strong.[/quote]
Interesting[/quote]
Yeah, it seems to be the most logical way to do it to me. I got the idea from watching successful bodybuilders and powerlifters train. I usually see them sticking to the ROM that is most beneficial for them.
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
Advice = The WISE don’t need it, the FOOLS won’t heed it.
I didn’t read any of the replies so apologies if this has been said. I’d keep to myself. Just YOU make sure your shit is together and the “mooks” will eventually realize they are doing stuff wrong. Then maybe they will learn to do it correctly.
Think in these terms, You are at the gym to make yourself better right? Only worry about what you are doing UNLESS someone is doing some seriously unsafe shit and could get you or other hurt by their dumbassery; such as trying a snatch and tossing the bar at someone. even then, be as polite as possible. You may end up with a decent training partner someday or at the very least someone who may live learn and pass on themselves. [/quote]
This ^
I think all of us have been lost in some aspect of our lives in a some sort of situation. I know during those times I would hate to be ridiculed, so I generally offer help or ignore.
I will say that what does get me a bit aggravated are the ones who do not know what they are doing but insist on telling people that they do know.
[quote]XLR8MyLife wrote:
Didn’t say I was stringing you along. Said it to get your attention, which it did. You read it and you replied. Sucker.[/quote]
Do what the personal trainers in the gym do - dole out advice based on how hot she is.
Not hot? Why bother? Hot? give advice, leading to lessons and other opportunities to watch her. Suggest squats, all day every day. WAY hot? Get someone else’s advice to get in her league. And get a sandwich, because, fuk, she’s hot, you need a sandwich.
In all seriousness, depends on the person. Do they look like they would like advice? Give advice.
Do they look nervous, and you are obviously knowledge and it shows? Back off - maybe when/if they stick to it, you can give them the “welcome to the gym” nod when they hit a PR in a few months, then you can help. Nervous/anxious trainers don’t want to be noticed by gigantic people. If you are more moderately sized, advice is ok to give to a novice. But the more obviously large/cut/strong/advanced you are, the more encouragement and compliments yo have to give when giving out advice to reduce gym-intimidation.
If they are a bunch of kids showing off to each other? Let them. The one who stays after a few months, when the rest have left, you can give advice to that guy if you want to.
As for “they don’t look like they know what they are doing”. Depends on the trainer. I don’t bother adults if they look safe. 1/4 reps are fine with me. 1/2 rep squat? - many sports do not start from a full squat position. 1/2 reps benches? I use full and partial - full to get good at the movement, partial for continuous tension on the pec. Maybe just keep an eye on them to see in case they get stapled, but that goes for the people who look like they know what they are doing too.
Let people do what they are doing. My observations are that those most eager to dispense advice are the ones that are least in a position to do so. They are often new to the ‘life of lifting’ and want to share the gospel with those they think need it. It’s pretty arrogant. More good comes from keeping your pie hole shut than opening it.
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
Advice = The WISE don’t need it, the FOOLS won’t heed it.
I didn’t read any of the replies so apologies if this has been said. I’d keep to myself. Just YOU make sure your shit is together and the “mooks” will eventually realize they are doing stuff wrong. Then maybe they will learn to do it correctly.
Think in these terms, You are at the gym to make yourself better right? Only worry about what you are doing UNLESS someone is doing some seriously unsafe shit and could get you or other hurt by their dumbassery; such as trying a snatch and tossing the bar at someone. even then, be as polite as possible. You may end up with a decent training partner someday or at the very least someone who may live learn and pass on themselves. [/quote]
This ^
I think all of us have been lost in some aspect of our lives in a some sort of situation. I know during those times I would hate to be ridiculed, so I generally offer help or ignore.
I will say that what does get me a bit aggravated are the ones who do not know what they are doing but insist on telling people that they do know.
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So along these lines, I saw an older guy 50+yrs trying to deadlift and he was rounding his back horribly with around 185lbs. I didn’t say anything because I didn’t want to look like a prick. However, I was DL’ing at the same time and I kind of got the feeling he was watching me to see if he could figure out how to do better but I wasn’t sure so i left it alone. I kind of felt like I should try to help but he managed to get out without hurting himself although I’ve never seen him try them again. should i have said something?
I’ve silently watched some pretty hilarious shit. It takes a lot to make me say anything to someone. The only time I’ve felt forced to speak up in recent memory was when I saw some kids doing overhead presses with the safety squat bar. And even then I didn’t tell them anything, I just asked “Would you like a regular bar?” And received a sheepish yes.
