I have never done HCG or TRT on my own and I suggest no one does so. I’ve been with my excellent doctor since 2001. My advice is get a good doctor and do what he says.
When I planned on kids, he tried HCG mono therapy but that had my T in the 300s and I felt pretty bad. Then we did TRT with HCG at 500 IU Twice a week but that didn’t get my sperm count up enough. Then he raised it to 1000 IU HCG thrice per week with my TRT. That did it and I now have two kids.
Brick - nice to see you on here. I had thought you went on to raise kids and were asta la vista.
I have thorny question but want to preface it with no axe to grind. Didn’t you compete natty and win?
Personally, I feel that if you aren’t supraphysiological with TRT then you are natty, but, I am curious.
Thanks.
Glad you had a second. I know having kids was super important to you and you were over the moon with your first.
Not sure you remember, but I was living on LI at the time. My daughter is now 18 and a freshman at UDel. My son is 15, a sophomore in HS on LI.
I have moved to Oregon.
from what I have gathered through my research is that it is not understood how HCG is beneficial in men while on TRT outside of reproduction. Doctors do not agree on the use (My Doc offers it to everyone, I know others doctors who don’t know what it is). I would use HCG if I didn’t plan on TRT for life. I’ve used HCG off and on and all it does for me is raise my T level and confuses my dosing. I didn’t feel any different using it vs not using it.
Thank you! Nice to see you too!
I remember you lived on LI.
The ANBF allows TRT with documentation by doctors and normal lab values and polygraph testing. WNBF does not. I was honest with them and inquired if I could compete with them but obviously I couldn’t.
Thanks. I appreciate the response. Clearly you were above board.
Again, I’m on TRT. My trough is 650 on 140mg a week - clearly not a cycle, but I might touch supra the day after a shot.
As I recall, you were pretty jacked. Obvs, having kids has taken precedence - are you still lifting? Still jacked?
Okay so maybe I’m just making shit up as I can’t find the study on men taking Clomid. But in women however, it has been shown in this study and others in vitro, to reduce IGF1. Men and women obviously respond differently to compounds. Could have sworn I read a study specifically dealing with men.
I don’t think the argument can reasonably be made that TRT in physiological range is the same as natty when competing. A natty has T levels of about 0 ng/dL when he competes because of the dieting and excessive training before the competition. It is a clear advantage if one sits at 800-1000 ng/dL instead.
Not nearly as strong and jacked as I used to be, nor do I care to be. I still lift three to four times per week, usually three. And gone are the days of 90 minute workouts. My workouts are 30 minutes long and lately I’ve been doing solely EMOM workouts. I do cardio on nearly all off days, which is almost all jogging.
My workouts are made up of dumbbell exercises, cables, and weighted calisthenics. I don’t do any barbell lifts or exercises that take long to set up or exercises that make me useless for the rest of the day (thats why I stopped doing barbell squats and deadlifts years ago).
I do the bare minimum for health and body composition.
Re: TRT: I take 100 mg per week and for the past year I have routinely tested at 700 to 800 ng/dl three or four days after taking it. I take it Sunday and my doc appointments usually are mid week.
Back to the thread. I don’t think HCG is necessary while on TRT and I think my doc would have said so if it were after all these years. The only thing I felt while on it was slightly higher libido but I cannot attribute that to HCG because I was seven years younger when I first took it, lived in an apartment, less social events, and didn’t have kids yet. That is, far less life stressors.
I use 300iu hcg every 5 days to keep testicular function Going on
Every limb that is not used gets degraded. So best to keep them functional in case of having kids in future
In Turkey you can buy from pharmacy without prescription
It is sold as 6500 iu so harder part is splitting into dosages