Adding Weight 'Every' Workout

[SmallToBig]

[quote]MODOK wrote:
Why don’t you guys read SmalltoBig’s posts? He recently adopted this philosophy, after being a lifetime small fry. It works for him, and will be working for a long, long time for him if he does it correctly.[/quote]

No apparently now im “BS’ing” or im a “troll” according to some members lol so no don’t do what i do !

2 weeks to taking some pictures Modok

I have to also take some videos as my strength is progressing to fast damn you and Cephalic for doing this to me DAMN YOU !

[SmallToBig]

[quote]forlife wrote:

You know because you push yourself to failure, or near failure, on every lift. As long as you are doing that, you will grow at the fastest rate.[/quote]

That still makes no sense lol, ok lets play a numbers game.

I get stuck on the Military Press at 60kgs for 6 reps.

I still stay at 60kgs for 6 reps for 2 sessions.

Have i now reached my “capacity limit” untill my body can add more muscle to the movers for that exercise…

If it’s that simple, then how the heck do you explain lifters lifting stupidly huge amounts of weight lets take Olympic Lifters while weighing less than most people here ? How is their “capacity limit” way more than some people here ?

I’m not being a smart ass or anything, i just don’t get why someone can’t add weight i doubt anyone here save a small few lift giant numbers so why worry about it ?

[trextacy]

[quote]SmallToBig wrote:
forlife wrote:

You know because you push yourself to failure, or near failure, on every lift. As long as you are doing that, you will grow at the fastest rate.

That still makes no sense lol, ok lets play a numbers game.

I get stuck on the Military Press at 60kgs for 6 reps.

I still stay at 60kgs for 6 reps for 2 sessions.

Have i now reached my “capacity limit” untill my body can add more muscle to the movers for that exercise…

If it’s that simple, then how the heck do you explain lifters lifting stupidly huge amounts of weight lets take Olympic Lifters while weighing less than most people here ? How is their “capacity limit” way more than some people here ?

I’m not being a smart ass or anything, i just don’t get why someone can’t add weight i doubt anyone here save a small few lift giant numbers so why worry about it ?[/quote]

Anyways, it may mean that you need to do, say, 55kg for 8-10 reps for 2-3 sets for a session or 2 to illicit a growth response, muscle gets a bit bigger, making 60ks for > 6 easier next time. Forcing weight on the bar w/o regard for the fact that there are other parameters you can manipulate at your disposal doesn’t make much sense.

[forlife]

You might still be able to add more weight/reps by virtue of your body adapting more efficiently to that particular exercise, independent of strength gains.

The point is that you don’t need to obsess on the number of reps you are doing, as long as you are PUSHING TO FAILURE ON EVERY LIFT.

Does it make sense to stop a set because you have hit some predetermined number of reps, or to push the set as hard as you can until your muscles give out?

Bust your ass each and every time, and you will see the greatest growth.

[matko5]

If I feel the weight is to hard for the increase, I just do an extra rep with the weight in all sets. eg. I did 5x5 OH press, felt it was a tad heavy (but finished all), did the 5x6 the next workout. It’s 5 reps increase in volume, it’s still progression I think?

[Scott_M]

smalltobig,
for you adding big time weight every single workout is going to work because you are brand new to the game… I applaud your efforts because you are doing everything right and won’t regret the first 6-12 months of your training like many do.

Guys that have done this for 3+ years(correctly) need to be a little more creative in how they progress up in weights. Varying rep ranges, subbing out movements, intensity techniques etc. However the goal should be the same… try your best to do more on your key movements each time, this just slows down tremendously after that initial burst out of the gate. I like your enthusiasm but just know that things will not always be this easy and advice should probably not be given by you.

To the original topic,
I wish more people looked at hypertrophy like this…

My incline press is 185x10 right now, to reach the sort of chest size I want most guys are incline pressing 365x10… I need to create a methodical plan to somehow reach 365x10. It’s not going to be super sets, or FST-7, or light pump sets… it will be grinding out sets trying desperately to add 2.5 lbs per side, or 1 more rep for 2 years straight in whatever fashion you deem most appropriate. You may stall and have to switch out incline presses for a time and come back to them but the principle still applies for other key movements(flat bench, dumbbell bench, wide grip dips).

You won’t be able to add 10 lbs to the bar every week, maybe just 1 rep, or 5 lbs over two weeks but if you are still gaining you’d be a fool to stop. The problem comes when guys swap programs out every 8 weeks and never get a chance to really make any consistent progress. If you do 5x5 for a few weeks, but then 10x10, of DC, FST-7, Westside etc over the next few months you probably are spinning your wheels. Meanwhile someone who stuck to something boring as hell like 5x5(or any reasonably well constructed program) probably increased their lifts 30-70 lbs and blew by you gains wise.

[SmallToBig]

[quote]Scott M wrote:
smalltobig,
for you adding big time weight every single workout is going to work because you are brand new to the game… I applaud your efforts because you are doing everything right and won’t regret the first 6-12 months of your training like many do.

Guys that have done this for 3+ years(correctly) need to be a little more creative in how they progress up in weights. Varying rep ranges, subbing out movements, intensity techniques etc. However the goal should be the same… try your best to do more on your key movements each time, this just slows down tremendously after that initial burst out of the gate. I like your enthusiasm but just know that things will not always be this easy and advice should probably not be given by you.

[/quote]

LOL I don’t give anyone advise unless it’s about the program i’m doing, everything i know is from Modok / Cephalic and DH.

Why does it slow down though ? I mean your guys on Intense Muscle are all freaking huge lol and they all lift HUGE numbers so is it individual or once you reach X amt of weight or X amt of weight on the exercise it slows down ?

[LankyMofo]

[quote]SmallToBig wrote:
Scott M wrote:
smalltobig,
for you adding big time weight every single workout is going to work because you are brand new to the game… I applaud your efforts because you are doing everything right and won’t regret the first 6-12 months of your training like many do.

Guys that have done this for 3+ years(correctly) need to be a little more creative in how they progress up in weights. Varying rep ranges, subbing out movements, intensity techniques etc. However the goal should be the same… try your best to do more on your key movements each time, this just slows down tremendously after that initial burst out of the gate. I like your enthusiasm but just know that things will not always be this easy and advice should probably not be given by you.

LOL I don’t give anyone advise unless it’s about the program i’m doing, everything i know is from Modok / Cephalic and DH.

Why does it slow down though ? I mean your guys on Intense Muscle are all freaking huge lol and they all lift HUGE numbers so is it individual or once you reach X amt of weight or X amt of weight on the exercise it slows down ?[/quote]

The law of diminishing returns.

Not to mention if it didn’t slow down everyone would be lifting dump trucks in due time.

[asusvenus]

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
SmallToBig wrote:
Scott M wrote:
smalltobig,
for you adding big time weight every single workout is going to work because you are brand new to the game… I applaud your efforts because you are doing everything right and won’t regret the first 6-12 months of your training like many do.

Guys that have done this for 3+ years(correctly) need to be a little more creative in how they progress up in weights. Varying rep ranges, subbing out movements, intensity techniques etc. However the goal should be the same… try your best to do more on your key movements each time, this just slows down tremendously after that initial burst out of the gate. I like your enthusiasm but just know that things will not always be this easy and advice should probably not be given by you.

LOL I don’t give anyone advise unless it’s about the program i’m doing, everything i know is from Modok / Cephalic and DH.

Why does it slow down though ? I mean your guys on Intense Muscle are all freaking huge lol and they all lift HUGE numbers so is it individual or once you reach X amt of weight or X amt of weight on the exercise it slows down ?

The law of diminishing returns.

Not to mention if it didn’t slow down everyone would be lifting dump trucks in due time.[/quote]

Sometimes, I wish the worlds worked like in “Dragonball”

“Ouh I’ll just train extra hard for a year and then I’ll be able to lift the entire planets populations plus a cat!”

Sigh.

[Scott_M]

[quote]SmallToBig wrote:

Why does it slow down though ? I mean your guys on Intense Muscle are all freaking huge lol and they all lift HUGE numbers so is it individual or once you reach X amt of weight or X amt of weight on the exercise it slows down ?[/quote]

The guys you see lifting the huge weights didn’t give there in a year, most of them have been lifting over a decade and some are in their 2nd or 3rd decade. That is certainly not for lack of effort during those years… it takes a certain kind of genetic freak(and drugs can expedite this process) to get up to some of the monstrous weights that very advanced guys use within your first couple years of training.

[matko5]

[quote]MODOK wrote:
matko5 wrote:
If I feel the weight is to hard for the increase, I just do an extra rep with the weight in all sets. eg. I did 5x5 OH press, felt it was a tad heavy (but finished all), did the 5x6 the next workout. It’s 5 reps increase in volume, it’s still progression I think?

True, but its actually much harder to put a rep on your set than to add a couple pounds to the bar for the same amt of reps. If you can add a rep, thats cool…but once you are reaching your limit strength it becomes very, very hard to do.

[/quote]

I can see the logic, put if the trainee is still a newbie (like me) wouldn’t that also train some muscle endurance and repetition strength? If I continued on next sessions trying to up to 5x7 and 5x8 and then when I reach that go back to 5x5 but with increased weight. Just curiosity

[SmallToBig]

[quote]Scott M wrote:

The guys you see lifting the huge weights didn’t give there in a year, most of them have been lifting over a decade and some are in their 2nd or 3rd decade. That is certainly not for lack of effort during those years… it takes a certain kind of genetic freak(and drugs can expedite this process) to get up to some of the monstrous weights that very advanced guys use within your first couple years of training. [/quote]

Never know i might be a gentic freak, let you know in a few years LOL

[system]

I can’t add weight every workout. No one who has been doing this seriously for more than a couple years can. But I can get atleast 1 more rep literally everytime I train.

[That_One_Guy]

[quote]SmallToBig wrote:
Scott M wrote:

The guys you see lifting the huge weights didn’t give there in a year, most of them have been lifting over a decade and some are in their 2nd or 3rd decade. That is certainly not for lack of effort during those years… it takes a certain kind of genetic freak(and drugs can expedite this process) to get up to some of the monstrous weights that very advanced guys use within your first couple years of training.

Never know i might be a gentic freak, let you know in a few years LOL[/quote]

You do that.

[SSC]

[quote]The Austrian Oak wrote:
I can’t add weight every workout. No one who has been doing this seriously for more than a couple years can. But I can get atleast 1 more rep literally everytime I train.[/quote]

You’re not very big - No offense. You should be adding 2-3+ reps or weight every time you’re in there, if I remember your picture correctly. Sorry, but you’re not someone I’d say has been “doing this seriously for more than a couple years.”

All I really see in this thread is weak people trying to discredit something that will actually absolve their weakness.

[Bill_Roberts]

Wow… since a 1 rep increase represents at least a 2% increase in strength (often more), your strength then has been increasing by at least 1.02 to say the 40th power every year.

(Assuming you mean weekly, and granting say 12 weeks per year that aren’t so good.)

That means increasing your strength 2.2 times per year, so over the last say 3 years, I trust then that since your strength always increases this much per week, your strength has increased by more than 6 times in say the last 3 years. Really?

Or you are adding reps to non-maximal performances. Then changing things up, and again adding reps to non-maximal performances.

Rather than actually increasing in strength so much every week as corresponds with being one rep stronger.

As mentioned, this is a topic that I have tried more than enough on already, never with any good result. So I will leave it to this: Those of you that are experienced, and know accurately what you were lifting a year ago, etc. and of course what you are now:

Try dividing out the improvement by the weeks. It ain’t gonna be any 5 lb per week, or 1% per week. Not on a sustained basis.

Those who have the illusion that they always gain this fast, obtain it by switching things around and constantly changing the reference. The apparent 5 lb per week increases are relative to non-maximal, for the individual, performance due to referring to a point of having just resumed an exercise after a layoff from it, and having lost some skill on it.

Else, everyone who was at say a 300 lb bench, would be adding 250 lb per year and we’d have countless multi-ton benchers. For that matter most who were benching 300 (for example) at some point of being experienced, aren’t benching 820 raw 10 years later thanks to adding even 1 lb per week.

And yes the microloading has benefit.

There are ways to program things where weight increases DO correspond to what the body can do.

But the typical recommendation does not match up with, other than beginner gains, what is possible. Sorry you ain’t adding 5 lb strength every week to your bench for years on end, particularly not from an already-decent point.

[JonBlood]

If I’m ramping I can usually add a rep or two on average to some exercises for each body part every week.

[Dave9]

I think everyone posting in this thread should have a pic on show (with exception to the guys we already know are hyooge).

[SSC]

[quote]Dave_ wrote:
I think everyone posting in this thread should have a pic on show (with exception to the guys we already know are hyooge).

[/quote]

I have a thread in the T-Cell, and a Training Log.

“A New Take on Loose Skin,” is in the T-Cell, with older pictures.

Training log is simply SSC’s log, with updated pictures.

[system]

[quote]SSC wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:
I can’t add weight every workout. No one who has been doing this seriously for more than a couple years can. But I can get atleast 1 more rep literally everytime I train.

You’re not very big - No offense. You should be adding 2-3+ reps or weight every time you’re in there, if I remember your picture correctly. Sorry, but you’re not someone I’d say has been “doing this seriously for more than a couple years.”

All I really see in this thread is weak people trying to discredit something that will actually absolve their weakness.[/quote]

How do you how much progress I have made in the past 2 years? I have never posted before pictures. The pix I posted were from February anyway.

I have NEVER posted anywhere on this site that I consider myself to be “big.”

I know that inorder for me to really stand out that I will have to weigh 275+. I am 6’5 and I am not very wide in the shoulders and have long arms and legs. This will naturally cause me to take more time to fill out than a person with more favorbale bodybuilding proportions.

Just because I haven’t reached my goal yet doesn’t mean that I don’t know anything about progressing and adding size and strength.