Adam Archuleta

wouldn’t adam make “elite” level in powerlifting competitions at his bodyweight? and isn’t anyone in elite considered incredibly strong. remember that we are just talking about limit strength strong here. laters pk

hey big,
you need to simmer down, once again he is a football player not a powerlifter so he must do things like run and twist and all those miniscule details involved in SPORT, so while you may be content with comparing max bench and squat, whats ur 40 yard time or maybe 400 yrd time, moreover while you can show him up in the rack, im sure he can make you look like a newborn deer on ice on the gridiron, you need to learn some respect for other athletic endeavors besides powerlifting, everything is relative, and yes he is a stong football player.

[quote]squattin600 wrote:
jammon wrote:
I know Adam Archuleta was trained (at least formerly) by John Davies of Renegade Training. His training is really good stuff that’s on a functional style of strength/weight training.

hmmm…

I thought it was Jay Schroeder who has trained Adam since he was in highschool[/quote]

I could deffinetly be wrong but I would have sworn I read something from Davies on training him just before he went into the NFL.

j.boogie…why dont u read my post before you post…find me one time where i said…he wast a good football palyer, find me one time when i said he wasnt explosive, find me one time where i said he wasnt strong and even very strong for a football player…if any one needs to simmer down its you…you just threw a whole bunch of insults at me with out reading one of my damn posts…rb

Everyone needs to get off of bm here.

He is just saying, when someone says “incredibly strong” they should qualify that statement with the words “for a football player”.

If “for a football player” had been said, then it would be understood that running and twisting an all the other stuff is taken into account.

When you just say “incredibly strong”, then the door is open to compare him to all the elite strength athletes. A test that he fails.

Scott Mendelson benched like 1005, not in a comp, but there is a vid somewhere. that’s incredibly strong, along with all the other fella’s he named (chuck v., the MM crew, et al)

oh yea jboogie…one other thing …i played not 1 but 2 ncaa division 1 sports…and am now closing on on my elite in powerlifting…oh yea i also train athletes for a living…powerlifters, wrestlers, baseball, football players…i think i respect other sports just fine…dont you?..but i refuse to take away from those who are “incredibily strong” just becuase there good at another sport…now simmer down …shew shew…rb

[quote]jammon wrote:
I could deffinetly be wrong but I would have sworn I read something from Davies on training him just before he went into the NFL. [/quote]

Jay has trained Adam since HS.

[quote]jammon wrote:
I could deffinetly be wrong but I would have sworn I read something from Davies on training him just before he went into the NFL. [/quote]

Jay has trained Adam since HS. Davies and Schroeder did a seminar togerther a while ago maybe that’s where the confusion had set in

I think in all my time posting on this site…no thread has made me this mad…this thread is just idiodic…and let me tell you why…

  1. the original quote that i debated was “incredibilly strong” …not he is a incredibilely strong football player…or he is such a strong fast explosive player…ect…it was he is incredibily strong…

  2. how was theis incredibilness backed up??..with his bench press…not his agility, not his speed, not his abilty to do dips with claps in them, not his ablity to do pull ups wich is just a idiodic argument any ways…i find it so funny that naytime a pencil neck tries to diss on powerlifting its with chin up strength…SO LET ME GET THIS STARIGHT PLEASE HELP…A 175-200 POUND GUY WHO CAN DO CHINUPS WITH A EXTRA 200 POUNDS SO 400 POUNDS TOTAL HAS STRONGET LATS THAN A 275 POUND GUY WHO CAN DEADLIFT 700-800 POIUNDS???..I BET THERE IS 50 GUYS ON THIS SITE THAT CAN DO PULLUPS 10 REPS WITH 200 POUNDS ON THERE BACK…HOW MANY 700 POUNDS DEADLIFTERS DOES THE SITE HAVE???..

strength is strength…and i find it funny when strength is debated is always goes back to explosivness or agilty or whatever…well we werent debating that we were debating…INCREDIBILE STRENGTH…rb

[quote]jammon wrote:
squattin600 wrote:
jammon wrote:
I know Adam Archuleta was trained (at least formerly) by John Davies of Renegade Training. His training is really good stuff that’s on a functional style of strength/weight training.

hmmm…

I thought it was Jay Schroeder who has trained Adam since he was in highschool

I could deffinetly be wrong but I would have sworn I read something from Davies on training him just before he went into the NFL. [/quote]

Jay Schroder. http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/features_2001/nawrocki_061901.asp

[quote]apayne wrote:
he is soooooooo hot! plus incredibly strong.[/quote]

What I wanna know is when your all gonna start arguing over the claim of him being “sooooo hot!”. I mean come-on, that claims outrageous! I’d like to come to the defence of the truely “hot” like Zoolander, or Hanzel (also in Zoolander), and all the other male models who would surely be up in arms over this and flooding this thread with a flame war the likes of which has never been seen! That is as soon as they figure out how to use a computer. :slight_smile:

Oh and I like the “simmer down” quote, you didn’t happen to get that from a saturday night live skit did you?

“ya’ll jus’ simma down nah!”

[quote]jammon wrote:
squattin600 wrote:

I could deffinetly be wrong but I would have sworn I read something from Davies on training him just before he went into the NFL. [/quote]

No it was Jay Schroeder. They even did a report on them which aired on ESPN around draft time.

The Adam Archuletta video is actually Jay Schroeder video (in which he exaplins some of his techniques). They do feathure Adam, but Jay is also a central figure.

Jay and Davies did a workshop togeter a while ago,that might be the source of your info.

[quote]Druze wrote:
apayne wrote:
he is soooooooo hot! plus incredibly strong.

What I wanna know is when your all gonna start arguing over the claim of him being “sooooo hot!”. I mean come-on, that claims outrageous! I’d like to come to the defence of the truely “hot” like Zoolander, or Hanzel (also in Zoolander), and all the other male models who would surely be up in arms over this and flooding this thread with a flame war the likes of which has never been seen! That is as soon as they figure out how to use a computer. :slight_smile:

Oh and I like the “simmer down” quote, you didn’t happen to get that from a saturday night live skit did you?

“ya’ll jus’ simma down nah!”
[/quote]

You know, there’s more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking.

Big Martin, stick to powerlifting! The comment on doing pull-ups with 200lbs on there back for 10 reps is an incredible feet and No there is’nt 50 people on this site that can do that. I was’nt going to post on this again but that comment was hilarious. My post was to point out that there are different point of views for “very strong” and the guy who first posted is intitled to have that view.

BTW, Me and allot of other T-Men think Adam is Very Strong and all the arguing is not going to change are views.

i stand corrected, according to an article on elitefts a 198lb man would need a 1731 total and a 220lb man would need a 1824 total. 242lb man needs 1890, 275lb needs 1946, and a SHW needs 2033. here’s the link http://www.elitefts.com/documents/elite.htm laters pk

BM, Seriously I think you are overreacting a bit. You act as if the origional poster had intention to diss powerlifting somehow by making that statement when all he was doing was giving props to Adam. Adam doesn’t train for powerlifting meets so of course he isn’t going to throw up the massively huge numbers powerlifters do. given his strength for the type of training he does do, I would wager he would become a “incredibly strong mofo” if he quit football and focused on powerlifting.

P.S. I view “incredibly strong” as mental strength not physical strength and that is just as valid an argument as you can make.

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins

I just want to thank BM for supporting the really strong guys. Seeing as I workout in a gym filled with big guys who bodybuild and manage to be weaker or barely stronger than me, I need these reminders about what the true human potential for strength is. While a 500 pound bench is far greater than the 300 pounds that that guy in the steroid article puts up, it is important to remember how small it is compared to what a serious powerlifter can do.

Besides reminding me how much room I have left for growth and keeping me from getting a big head, why is this so important to me? Because I train more less like a normal powerlifter (plus more overhead stuff), and when I am constantly hearing about the feets of strength being accomplished by those who are not dedicated to powerlifting, I start to wonder if maybe I should scrap the whole way I train, if maybe powerlifting training is just a waste of time. Honestly, it is really bodybuilders and their inflated numbers which cause the majority of the problem, and not so much guys like Archuleta, I think BM was right in feeling defensive for the powerlifters. People forget how much stronger their dedication to strength makes them compared to top bodybuilders, football players, etc.

big marten I concur with your opinions. Adam is strong in the football arena but its another story when you put him up against power lifters or strongmen.

Adam is a football player.

Therefore the measure of the effectiveness of his training is not his 40 time, not his bench (assisted or not)or his squat. The measure of the effectiveness of his training is what he does on the field. End of story. He is at best an average strong safety who gets injured alot (with his training routine, go figure). I count 16 NFL strong safeties who had more tackles last year. Thats what a strong safety is measured by…tackles. Hell, Mike Doss of the Colts had more tackles and was a rookie. Interceptions are nice too, but i don’t think Adam ranks too high in that department either, correct me if i’m wrong.

Adam reminds me alot of Jason Seahorn…overrated.

naard

naard those are very good points but i dont get the relevance,

I mean really all a strength coach can do is train him to be fast agile strong and fit… which adam apparently is

the rest is all technical how he reads the game etc etc etc…

I agree with BM adam is strong but not that strong…