[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The other issue is that this shit needs to be explained 6 times over for some of you to start listening.
Your positions are clear as mud. Of course, to you this means everyone else is stupid. The reality is that your posts contain the needless emotionalism of a 16 year old girl and perpetual moral outrage scattered in with some facts and statements that can occasionally be distilled into meaningful arguments.
Cute. This thread hasn’t been read this many times for no reason.
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It needs to be to make heads or tails of what you say.
Your statements keep contradicting what you say you are trying to say.
It reminds me of Obama on the campiagn trail, pointless rambling that at some points may seem like coherent thought.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The other issue is that this shit needs to be explained 6 times over for some of you to start listening.
Your positions are clear as mud. Of course, to you this means everyone else is stupid. The reality is that your posts contain the needless emotionalism of a 16 year old girl and perpetual moral outrage scattered in with some facts and statements that can occasionally be distilled into meaningful arguments.
Cute. This thread hasn’t been read this many times for no reason.
It needs to be to make heads or tails of what you say.
Your statements keep contradicting what you say you are trying to say.
It reminds me of Obama on the campiagn trail, pointless rambling that at some points may seem like coherent thought.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The other issue is that this shit needs to be explained 6 times over for some of you to start listening.
Your positions are clear as mud. Of course, to you this means everyone else is stupid. The reality is that your posts contain the needless emotionalism of a 16 year old girl and perpetual moral outrage scattered in with some facts and statements that can occasionally be distilled into meaningful arguments.
Cute. This thread hasn’t been read this many times for no reason.
It needs to be to make heads or tails of what you say.
Your statements keep contradicting what you say you are trying to say.
It reminds me of Obama on the campiagn trail, pointless rambling that at some points may seem like coherent thought.
go ahead give me a yes we can.[/quote]
How is anything I’ve written contradicting itself? I think some of you are simply pissed that my stance can’t be pre-written for me even though some of you love the ease of labels.
Point out specifically what you THINK is contradicting another statement.
Guy, if it isn’t clear to you, blame yourself. I didn’t stutter in that previous response and I meant every word. Those programs were put into play because of the larger issue which included racism on a mass scale and even paying minorities less for the same jobs. None of that dwindled until after AA was put into place. The only real argument now is whether it is still needed.
The other issue is that this shit needs to be explained 6 times over for some of you to start listening.[/quote]
Take your own advice, “guy”, and read what I wrote.
“…but the beginning of your 2nd paragraph is a fair point. Social programs were designed to “right the wrongs” of the past…”
My point is that they failed, and more importantly, had the exact opposite of the intended effect. You appeared to disagree. I went on to say that the passage of time has led to an attitude shift wherein I feel systematic racism is more or less dead. We seem to agree there.
What part of this aren’t you getting? Better yet, answer this direct question so as to clarify your position for us idiots: do you believe the liberal social policies put into place first in the New Deal and later under LBJ, etc, were successful as intended? Not just AA but welfare, et al?
PS - hard to stutter whilst typing. I’d like to see that. Maybe Parkinson’s while trying to type the letter “s”?
My point is that they failed, and more importantly, had the exact opposite of the intended effect. You appeared to disagree. I went on to say that the passage of time has led to an attitude shift wherein I feel systematic racism is more or less dead. We seem to agree there.[/quote]
It is NOT “dead”. It simply doesn’t have anywhere near the same power that it had decades ago. If it were truly “dead”, I wouldn’t have to literally explain why using race as an indicator of behavior in reference to minorities is a part of the problem.
GUY, we just elected the first black American president in 2008. I would say that while they did not produce the best results and failed in some areas, the end result still put us ahead of where the “conservative don’t do a damn thing” plan would have.
The reality is that your [prof x] posts contain the needless emotionalism of a 16 year old girl and perpetual moral outrage scattered in with some facts and statements that can occasionally be distilled into meaningful arguments. [/quote]
Pot, kettle. My friend who “appeals to moral outrage b/c of a lack of colorblindness.” Or are you going for a different caricature on this thread?
People see a problem with saying “You’re [insert color, ethnicity, cultural background, religion], and therefore you are [this].”
They do not see a problem with saying “You’re a low income family, and therefore you are [this].”
If I went up to a low income family and told them they had an 80% chance of losing their teeth before the age of 35, they would be pissed because all of their family members have perfect dental health. Meanwhile everyone else in the trailer park is chewing on their gums.
No one wants to be grouped into a category that doesn’t represent them.
Yes, a plurality of abortions may occur with black families, but this does not equal correlation! There can be something else as the driving force behind this, such as economic issues or lack of knowledge about birth control or other ways to prevent pregnancy.
If “black america” were a bunch of rich fat cats, do you think the correlation between blacks and abortions would be the same? No? Well then it’s not a correlation.
[quote]jawara wrote:
I havent read al the post on this thread so if I bring up somthing that other people have already said I’m sorry. Here’s my view on this problem.
In the 60’s white liberals started bringing social programs to the black community (welfare, food stamps etc). These programs have had a negative effect on the black american family. The black man was no longer needed to raise a family… the government would provide.
Now, lets add in the free sex, free love, counter culture of the 60’s.Suddenly having sex with as many people as you wanted became ok. Guess what else came along with that? Women getting pregnant outside of wedlock. Look on the stats on how many people in prison come from a father less home. Teen girls from father less homes are also more likey to get pregnant.
I really dont want to make a long winded post. I just want you to think about the social ills that liberalism has brought on the black community. Thats why we have such a high abortion rate.[/quote]
God forbid dropkick fathers take responsibility for their own shortcomings.
[quote]jawara wrote:
On another note, lets say I was a racist and I wanted to kill black people.
I would keep them poor, uneducated,malnourished,give them drugs, and do whatever I could to kill themselves.[/quote]
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
jawara wrote:
So can I assume that you’re out there preaching and speaking to youth groups…helping your communities,etc? And if so,is that only reserved for Bible Belt conservatives?
Now your just being silly. I preach to no one, I just do my best to make sure that I can break the cycle of unwanted pregnancy,poverty, crime, drug use, and the entitlement mentality that is destroying the black community.
How is that silly? Its a very valid question. You’re giving us the persona of being so concerned for “your people.” I’m just curious as to what you’re doing to help “your people.” What makes you the “exception?”[/quote]
So when I offer a solution to the problem, on that would work, BY THE WAY you mock me. My people are my family, people like you that dont want to get down to the root cause of the problem ar only going to make things worse.
[quote]jawara wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
jawara wrote:
So can I assume that you’re out there preaching and speaking to youth groups…helping your communities,etc? And if so,is that only reserved for Bible Belt conservatives?
Now your just being silly. I preach to no one, I just do my best to make sure that I can break the cycle of unwanted pregnancy,poverty, crime, drug use, and the entitlement mentality that is destroying the black community.
How is that silly? Its a very valid question. You’re giving us the persona of being so concerned for “your people.” I’m just curious as to what you’re doing to help “your people.” What makes you the “exception?”
So when I offer a solution to the problem, on that would work, BY THE WAY you mock me. My people are my family, people like you that dont want to get down to the root cause of the problem ar only going to make things worse.[/quote]
Was that an attempt at side stepping what he asked? He wasn’t mocking you. He was questioning how serious you are since you claim you have the answers. If you won’t even help any other people, why do you feel qualified to speak on what the rest of us should be doing?