Thoughts on this?
This is similar to how people believe the Democrat Party is the champion of black people without bothering to look up the actual voting records of that party. Robert Byrd was a Dem after all. The left is very good at pretending to be against the things they were for, when the things they were for prove to be unpopular or downright dangerous. I blame the media and academia for the public’s ignorance. I would blame the public itself but nothing is anyone’s own fault these days.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
This is similar to how people believe the Democrat Party is the champion of black people without bothering to look up the actual voting records of that party. Robert Byrd was a Dem after all. The left is very good at pretending to be against the things they were for, when the things they were for prove to be unpopular or downright dangerous. I blame the media and academia for the public’s ignorance. I would blame the public itself but nothing is anyone’s own fault these days.[/quote]
What matters is what people are for or against now. You can’t vote for a party that didn’t have racists. You had racists in your family. I had racists in mine. Why do people act like mid-century voting records have anything to do with 2014? The D and R parties of 1860 or 1950 have nothing to do with the D and R parties of today.
As for why blacks vote D, welfare has a lot to do with it. Then there’s also the fact that, while the Republican Party is not accurately described as racist, there are many racists who are a part of it, and it is far too hospitable toward them. Look at opinion polling if you doubt this (look at Southern Republican attitudes toward miscegenation in 2008-2010, for example). Or find a Leftist news outlet with as much anti-black racism as Breitbart in the comments section. Or just consult common sense: Southern whites form the backbone of overt anti-black racism in American; southern whites are overwhelmingly Republican.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
What matters is what people are for or against now. [/quote]
While it matters, I’m not so sure history isn’t as important.
Particularly when we are talking about cultural manipulation through controlled communications.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
What matters is what people are for or against now. [/quote]
While it matters, I’m not so sure history isn’t as important.
Particularly when we are talking about cultural manipulation through controlled communications. [/quote]
This, I think, was more in line with Mr. Hannan’s article. He was not upset so much with what liberal’s are trying to accomplish now–although he states his open disapproval of their policies–as he was calling for an abolishment of this notion that anything “bad” is conservative when quite clearly Nazism was socialist and leftist.
In essence he was calling for the Left to own up to their own skeletons in the closet or to stop calling conservatives terms that apply to their own political lineage.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
What matters is what people are for or against now. [/quote]
While it matters, I’m not so sure history isn’t as important.
Particularly when we are talking about cultural manipulation through controlled communications. [/quote]
This, I think, was more in line with Mr. Hannan’s article. He was not upset so much with what liberal’s are trying to accomplish now–although he states his open disapproval of their policies–as he was calling for an abolishment of this notion that anything “bad” is conservative when quite clearly Nazism was socialist and leftist.
In essence he was calling for the Left to own up to their own skeletons in the closet or to stop calling conservatives terms that apply to their own political lineage.[/quote]
Yup.
It is like a silly form of tribalism. (Yes HFactor, the right does it too. lol) this notion of: “I belong to this group, they accept me, therefore this group and its shared ideas are superior to any other group, no matter the idea. I’m here now, so nothing bad can come of this group.”
And that has manifested itself into a “re-writing” of history. A cultural reformation of what is right and wrong, all in terms of tribal allegiance.
EDIT: some missing letters and misspelled words.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Or just consult common sense: Southern whites form the backbone of overt anti-black racism in American; southern whites are overwhelmingly Republican.[/quote]
Don’t the vast majority of minority conservatives come from the south too?
I believe the only Black senator is a republican and from the south. Wasn’t the first female Sec of State, also black, a republican and from the south?
I mean, if we are going to toss out generalizations ignoring the effect simple demographics play, we will be here all day.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
What matters is what people are for or against now. [/quote]
While it matters, I’m not so sure history isn’t as important.
Particularly when we are talking about cultural manipulation through controlled communications. [/quote]
This, I think, was more in line with Mr. Hannan’s article. He was not upset so much with what liberal’s are trying to accomplish now–although he states his open disapproval of their policies–as he was calling for an abolishment of this notion that anything “bad” is conservative when quite clearly Nazism was socialist and leftist.
In essence he was calling for the Left to own up to their own skeletons in the closet or to stop calling conservatives terms that apply to their own political lineage.[/quote]
Yup.
It is like a silly form of tribalism. (Yes HFactor, the right does it too. lol) this notion of: “I belong to this group, they accept me, therefore this group and its shared ideas are superior to any other group, no matter the idea. I’m here now, so nothing bad can come of this group.”
And that has manifested itself into a “re-writing” of history. A cultural reformation of what is right and wrong, all in terms of tribal allegiance.
EDIT: some missing letters and misspelled words. [/quote]
You’re absolutely right here though. FWIW I call out the right doing it on this site often because this board is center-right leaning and most people call out the left for these things with no mention of the opposing team doing it.
No one wants to look in the mirror. No one wants to remember the bad things that people with their political viewpoints have done in the past. No one wants to talk about the extremes of their belief.
It’s one reason why I feel so strongly about not buying into the political football game that Democrats and Republicans want you to do. Honestly these fuck sticks love the division, they love the hatred, they love painting the other side as responsible for everything bad. It keeps them in power.
Long dry but incredibly educational book. Fascism and American Liberalism were actually really close. They borrowed lots of ideas from each other. Then when the whole exterminate the Jews thing happened all the leftist liberals called take-backs on their praise of fascism.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Long dry but incredibly educational book. Fascism and American Liberalism were actually really close. They borrowed lots of ideas from each other. Then when the whole exterminate the Jews thing happened all the leftist liberals called take-backs on their praise of fascism. [/quote]
Have not read the book, but as a big David Gordon fan his review makes me a little leery of taking the book as gospel.
The ultimate end of any political system is inherently fascist. At the end of the day, if you’re not willing to remove undesirables, you’re playing dice with your ideology.
This is why American liberalism is such a freak-show – they don’t turn anyone away. To the contrary, they go as far as to buy-off the support of people who don’t agree with any of their ideals via government handouts, and use the republican party as a scapegoat to pin all their inevitable failures on.
Without this right-wing buffer zone enabling their delusional incredulity on political reality, they’d tear themselves apart.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Or just consult common sense: Southern whites form the backbone of overt anti-black racism in American; southern whites are overwhelmingly Republican.[/quote]
Don’t the vast majority of minority conservatives come from the south too?
I believe the only Black senator is a republican and from the south. Wasn’t the first female Sec of State, also black, a republican and from the south?
I mean, if we are going to toss out generalizations ignoring the effect simple demographics play, we will be here all day. [/quote]
Madeleine Albright is most assuredly not black, republican, or from the south.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Or just consult common sense: Southern whites form the backbone of overt anti-black racism in American; southern whites are overwhelmingly Republican.[/quote]
Don’t the vast majority of minority conservatives come from the south too?
I believe the only Black senator is a republican and from the south. Wasn’t the first female Sec of State, also black, a republican and from the south?
I mean, if we are going to toss out generalizations ignoring the effect simple demographics play, we will be here all day. [/quote]
Madeleine Albright is most assuredly not black, republican, or from the south.[/quote]
My bad:
Wasn’t the first black Sec of State, also a female, a republican and from the south?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Or just consult common sense: Southern whites form the backbone of overt anti-black racism in American; southern whites are overwhelmingly Republican.[/quote]
Don’t the vast majority of minority conservatives come from the south too?
I believe the only Black senator is a republican and from the south. Wasn’t the first female Sec of State, also black, a republican and from the south?
I mean, if we are going to toss out generalizations ignoring the effect simple demographics play, we will be here all day. [/quote]
Madeleine Albright is most assuredly not black, republican, or from the south.[/quote]
My bad:
Wasn’t the first black Sec of State, also a female, a republican and from the south?
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Colin Powell was not a woman nor from the south.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Or just consult common sense: Southern whites form the backbone of overt anti-black racism in American; southern whites are overwhelmingly Republican.[/quote]
Don’t the vast majority of minority conservatives come from the south too?
I believe the only Black senator is a republican and from the south. Wasn’t the first female Sec of State, also black, a republican and from the south?
I mean, if we are going to toss out generalizations ignoring the effect simple demographics play, we will be here all day. [/quote]
That may be the case, but minority conservatives are not a statistically significant political group in the United States, particularly minority conservatives holding office.
For the record, I’m not tossing out generalizations. That is, I’m not assigning the qualities of a member as qualities of their whole. I specifically note, every time this topic comes up in conversation, that it is entirely inaccurate to describe any kind of racism in the ideology or platform of the average “good” conservative.
That having been said, the Republican party and the conservative movement, as political wholes, harbor more anti-black racism than do the Left and the Democrats. This is not a generalization: It is far and away the best answer that can be given in response to the present question, based on statistical and polling data.
But, as I mentioned, all that’s really needed is common sense. Statistically, the most (anti-black) racist demographic in this country bar none–white, adult men and women living south of the Mason-Dixon line–is also one of the most conservative and Republican.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
What matters is what people are for or against now. [/quote]
While it matters, I’m not so sure history isn’t as important.
Particularly when we are talking about cultural manipulation through controlled communications. [/quote]
Oh, history is certainly important. More important than anybody seems to think these days.
I was going after something different: “Why do blacks vote for Democrats when Democrats were racists and Lincoln was a Republican?” You see this little platitude tossed around often. To which I reply:
“Why would a British farmer vote Conservative, when it was the Conservative Party that stuck it to agricultural Brits by repealing the Corn Laws in 1846?”
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
But, as I mentioned, all that’s really needed is common sense. Statistically, the most (anti-black) racist demographic in this country bar none–white, adult men and women living south of the Mason-Dixon line–is also one of the most conservative and Republican.[/quote]
Being from the Northeast I would like to believe that but, and this is based solely on personal experience, I am inclined to believe that, if anything, they might be more obvious about it in the South which gives the impression that the numbers are higher. You’re talking to someone, CB, who I believe is living in Boston. If anyone thinks there isn’t a significant number of racists there they would be wrong. And they don’t really hide it that well either.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Or just consult common sense: Southern whites form the backbone of overt anti-black racism in American; southern whites are overwhelmingly Republican.[/quote]
Don’t the vast majority of minority conservatives come from the south too?
I believe the only Black senator is a republican and from the south. Wasn’t the first female Sec of State, also black, a republican and from the south?
I mean, if we are going to toss out generalizations ignoring the effect simple demographics play, we will be here all day. [/quote]
Madeleine Albright is most assuredly not black, republican, or from the south.[/quote]
My bad:
Wasn’t the first black Sec of State, also a female, a republican and from the south?
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Colin Powell was not a woman nor from the south. [/quote]
Fucking, god damn it, lol. I’m talking about Condi… She was black and from the south. I give up trying ot be cute.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
But, as I mentioned, all that’s really needed is common sense. Statistically, the most (anti-black) racist demographic in this country bar none–white, adult men and women living south of the Mason-Dixon line–is also one of the most conservative and Republican.[/quote]
Being from the Northeast I would like to believe that but, and this is based solely on personal experience, I am inclined to believe that, if anything, they might be more obvious about it in the South which gives the impression that the numbers are higher. You’re talking to someone, CB, who I believe is living in Boston. If anyone thinks there isn’t a significant number of racists there they would be wrong. And they don’t really hide it that well either. [/quote]
Sure, secret racists could be hiding their political views from the rest of the country. Any datum is subject to this kind of ambiguity. But we have to use what we think we know–and, in this case, the white Republican South loses out, big time.
By the way, the original question had to do with why blacks vote D, so perception is really all that matter here anyway. And the white South is perceived–correctly–to be a concetrated enclave of anti-black racism.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
But, as I mentioned, all that’s really needed is common sense. Statistically, the most (anti-black) racist demographic in this country bar none–white, adult men and women living south of the Mason-Dixon line–is also one of the most conservative and Republican.[/quote]
Being from the Northeast I would like to believe that but, and this is based solely on personal experience, I am inclined to believe that, if anything, they might be more obvious about it in the South which gives the impression that the numbers are higher. You’re talking to someone, CB, who I believe is living in Boston. If anyone thinks there isn’t a significant number of racists there they would be wrong. And they don’t really hide it that well either. [/quote]
Yeah.
The stereotype goes as such that white racist = southern white. But the truth of the matter is, people are really ignorant up here too, and a whole hell of a lot of them vote democrat and therefore think the asshole, racist things that come out of their mouths are absolved by it.
(I;m ignoring that every group up here has a general racist attitude. Southeast Asians hate white men, love having babies with white girls but will only marry another Asian girl. Black people hate everyone, particularly Southeast Asians. Hispanic people here have a pecking order… Everyone hates Indians, and no one ever says anything good about people from Puerto Rico, even other people from Puerto Rico.)