[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players? [/quote]
because brothers don’t like the cold?
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players?
because brothers don’t like the cold?[/quote]
Black people can’t skate or swim.
We also only drink purple Koolaid and Crown Royale.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players?
because brothers don’t like the cold?
Black people can’t skate or swim.
We also only drink purple Koolaid and Crown Royale.[/quote]
I miss Kool Aid floats…mmmmm.
My is just like what you were first arguing in this thread.
There are most of the time underlying causes. There aren’t a lot of black people up north where they play hockey.
To form any kind of class action along racial lines is to ignore these causes.
When black people have higher abortion rates, you need to look at socio-economic issues, agreed.
When a network has an all white TV lineup, you need to look at business economics too.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players?
because brothers don’t like the cold?
Black people can’t skate or swim.
We also only drink purple Koolaid and Crown Royale.[/quote]
I think I might be black then. Other than the swimming thing.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players?
because brothers don’t like the cold?
Black people can’t skate or swim.
We also only drink purple Koolaid and Crown Royale.
I think I might be black then. Other than the swimming thing.[/quote]
you wannabe.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players?
because brothers don’t like the cold?
Black people can’t skate or swim.
We also only drink purple Koolaid and Crown Royale.
I miss Kool Aid floats…mmmmm.[/quote]
Hmm… this requires investigation.
tasty, tasty investigation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
If I nod and say hi to you when I walk by on the street because you’re black and I later nod and say hi to DoubleDuce a little different because he’s white and I’m more comfortable around him that is racism. I’m not acting in an oppressive way towards you. You were a “victim” of racism.
That’s called bias. That is not called “racism”. Someone black may truly feel more comfortable around their own ethnicity and this does not mean they have negative thoughts about an entire race specifically.
If I go to a football game and am the only black person there in the stands, you are saying it is racism if I feel uncomfortable?[/quote]
Well by definition yeah but we are arguing semantics now. Technically you are thinking different due to the colors of the other’s skin. But it only truly becomes racism IMO when an action is altered due to those thoughts. Your example is an extremely benign one and doesn’t negatively effect others you are interacting with.
I think you are putting way more power behind the word racism. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying racism is no big deal but there are varying degrees for sure.
There is nothing wrong IMO feeling like that. If there was no such thing as racism you wouldn’t feel uncomfortable.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players?
because brothers don’t like the cold?
Black people can’t skate or swim.
We also only drink purple Koolaid and Crown Royale.
I miss Kool Aid floats…mmmmm.[/quote]
Holy diabetes. I’ve never even heard of those.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players?
because brothers don’t like the cold?
Black people can’t skate or swim.
We also only drink purple Koolaid and Crown Royale.
I think I might be black then. Other than the swimming thing.
you wannabe.[/quote]
Heck no, screw that, yall have it hard.
I don’t disagree with equality needing to be pushed forward, I just disagree with certain methods.
edit: And not just from white culture. Black culture is brutal to itself at times.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
<<< That’s called bias. That is not called “racism”. Someone black may truly feel more comfortable around their own ethnicity and this does not mean they have negative thoughts about an entire race specifically. >>>[/quote]
Look at that. We agree on something here. I don’t know exactly what the scholarly sociological term is for this, but I’m sure somebody has one.
Ethnic Affinity maybe?
Lemme give an example. When I worked at Ford’s product development center there were engineers there from 30 or 40 countries, maybe more. 6,000 total users in the building.
There are 3 major cafeteria’s in that building complex and if you walk in any one of them you will see people voluntarily segregated into groups obviously by ethnicity. They all speak English well enough so that is not the explanation.
The explanation is that human beings have some sort of innate social mechanism by which they feel most comfortable around those that are most like them. That does not mean that they look askance at other races or even that they feel theirs is better. It just means that they feel most comfortable in the company of their ethnic fellows for whatever exact reason.
I didn’t get the impression that most of these folks had any racist tendencies, but there they are every day all sitting together. I think this is just how people are and it’s neither good or bad by itself.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Heck no, screw that, yall have it hard.
I don’t disagree with equality needing to be pushed forward, I just disagree with certain methods.
edit: And not just from white culture. Black culture is brutal to itself at times.[/quote]
well…I try to be optimistic in that we don’t have it hard…at least I live MY life that way. The odds were not in favor growing up…I will say that. Google Henderson,TX…Rusk County,TX.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Heck no, screw that, yall have it hard.
I don’t disagree with equality needing to be pushed forward, I just disagree with certain methods.
edit: And not just from white culture. Black culture is brutal to itself at times.
well…I try to be optimistic in that we don’t have it hard…at least I live MY life that way. The odds were not in favor growing up…I will say that. Google Henderson,TX…Rusk County,TX.
[/quote]
Well, as I’ve stated before, it’s a personal experience matter, but I don’t like the odds.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
<<< That’s called bias. That is not called “racism”. Someone black may truly feel more comfortable around their own ethnicity and this does not mean they have negative thoughts about an entire race specifically. >>>
Look at that. We agree on something here. I don’t know exactly what the scholarly sociological term is for this, but I’m sure somebody has one.
Ethnic Affinity maybe?
Lemme give an example. When I worked at Ford’s product development center there were engineers there from 30 or 40 countries, maybe more. 6,000 total users in the building.
There are 3 major cafeteria’s in that building complex and if you walk in any one of them you will see people voluntarily segregated into groups obviously by ethnicity. They all speak English well enough so that is not the explanation.
The explanation is that human beings have some sort of innate social mechanism by which they feel most comfortable around those that are most like them. That does not mean that they look askance at other races or even that they feel theirs is better. It just means that they feel most comfortable in the company of their ethnic fellows for whatever exact reason.
I didn’t get the impression that most of these folks had any racist tendencies, but there they are every day all sitting together. I think this is just how people are and it’s neither good or bad by itself.[/quote]
It’s easier to relate to and befriend people starting with small talk who have had similar experiences.
[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
<<< That’s called bias. That is not called “racism”. Someone black may truly feel more comfortable around their own ethnicity and this does not mean they have negative thoughts about an entire race specifically. >>>
Look at that. We agree on something here. I don’t know exactly what the scholarly sociological term is for this, but I’m sure somebody has one.
Ethnic Affinity maybe?
Lemme give an example. When I worked at Ford’s product development center there were engineers there from 30 or 40 countries, maybe more. 6,000 total users in the building.
There are 3 major cafeteria’s in that building complex and if you walk in any one of them you will see people voluntarily segregated into groups obviously by ethnicity. They all speak English well enough so that is not the explanation.
The explanation is that human beings have some sort of innate social mechanism by which they feel most comfortable around those that are most like them. That does not mean that they look askance at other races or even that they feel theirs is better. It just means that they feel most comfortable in the company of their ethnic fellows for whatever exact reason.
I didn’t get the impression that most of these folks had any racist tendencies, but there they are every day all sitting together. I think this is just how people are and it’s neither good or bad by itself.
It’s easier to relate to and befriend people starting with small talk who have had similar experiences.[/quote]
Someone needs to watch milo and otis. 10 points to whoever gets that.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
<<< That’s called bias. That is not called “racism”. Someone black may truly feel more comfortable around their own ethnicity and this does not mean they have negative thoughts about an entire race specifically. >>>
Look at that. We agree on something here. I don’t know exactly what the scholarly sociological term is for this, but I’m sure somebody has one.
Ethnic Affinity maybe?
Lemme give an example. When I worked at Ford’s product development center there were engineers there from 30 or 40 countries, maybe more. 6,000 total users in the building.
There are 3 major cafeteria’s in that building complex and if you walk in any one of them you will see people voluntarily segregated into groups obviously by ethnicity. They all speak English well enough so that is not the explanation.
The explanation is that human beings have some sort of innate social mechanism by which they feel most comfortable around those that are most like them. That does not mean that they look askance at other races or even that they feel theirs is better. It just means that they feel most comfortable in the company of their ethnic fellows for whatever exact reason.
I didn’t get the impression that most of these folks had any racist tendencies, but there they are every day all sitting together. I think this is just how people are and it’s neither good or bad by itself.
It’s easier to relate to and befriend people starting with small talk who have had similar experiences.
Someone needs to watch milo and otis. 10 points to whoever gets that.[/quote]
Blast from the past I’ll never get the reference
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I completely agree, most of his arguments would infer that racism only occurs towards blacks from whites, and yes it has, but all groups are racist prejudiced and biased. It is the way of life, we just need to not let these influence rights given to other people.[/quote]
Dude, you help the minority because the majority can take care of themselves.
[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
<<< It’s easier to relate to and befriend people starting with small talk who have had similar experiences.[/quote]
I honestly think it’s more internal than that and like I say I think it’s natural.
I also don’t believe that it makes somebody a racist, regardless of which race we’re talking about, until they make qualitative judgments about a people or individual because of it.
It’s one thing to sort of unconsciously gravitate toward people of like ethnic heritage and quite another to view people not of that heritage as intrinsically inferior which point I think is what Professor X is saying. I’m sure he will have no trouble telling me if that is not what he is saying.
How can you feel uncomfortable around people who are ethnically different without subconsciously making a qualitative judgment?
“They are thinking something about me because I’m (enter race)”
or
“I don’t belong because I’m (enter race)”
You’re denying the fact that everyone has the preconceptions in their head about unlike people.
Noticing a black man is eating fried chicken and not noticing it about a white man is racist but it is not implying any inferiority or superiority over the other race.
Of course people are going to feel more natural around their own race because that is who they have grown up around. If it was socially more acceptable to hang out with people of different races and taboo to hang out with people of your own I guarantee you that is what would happen.
Once again don’t villainize the words racism and prejudice itself. While most often it does have connotations of negativity and deservedly so it isn’t necessarily always the case.
We are sort of saying the same thing in that noticing differences is not inherently a bad thing but are arguing mundane reasons. Whether it’s genetics or subconscious prejudice it doesn’t really matter as long as people aren’t treated negatively which happens all too often.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I completely agree, most of his arguments would infer that racism only occurs towards blacks from whites, and yes it has, but all groups are racist prejudiced and biased. It is the way of life, we just need to not let these influence rights given to other people.
Dude, you help the minority because the majority can take care of themselves.[/quote]
Not through government,
Besides always been a survival of the fittest kind of guy myself. Just teasing
I have no problem helping people, but I don’t think someone has the right to tell me to.
Say with business, I think it is the employers right to discriminate based on however he feels, he is going to do what is best for his business. And someone shouldn’t tell him how to run his business. That is infringing on his rights.