[quote]Professor X wrote:
SinisterMinister wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MTV, like every other privatized company, was focused on generating revenue. The only color they cared about – then and now – was the color of money.
Thus the need for BET [/quote]
Need? This clearly doesn’t demonstrate need but rather an untapped market.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Wow, you actually agree with the stuff I was being pretty sarcastic about.
You are against these kinds of race statistics, correct? Justify your argument without them then.
Black lack of representation is one such statistic. Or is it you only agree with their use when convenient?
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression? What about the fact I can legally get turned down for a job because of my race. How about that I’m taught to be ashamed of my race for all the bad thing it/(I) did? Or that the city where I lived publicly turned down a Lows because the offer was from a white man.[/quote]
Wait, so you actually think that when we woke up everyday in the early 80’s and ONLY saw representations of ourselves on reruns of Goodtimes and the Jeffersons that we should have just stayed quiet and accepted it? If we DARED to be represented on a more equal level, then this is now racism?
If you honestly think like this, you can continue this by yourself. Your perspective is pretty damn limited. Sad really.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Wow, you actually agree with the stuff I was being pretty sarcastic about.
You are against these kinds of race statistics, correct? Justify your argument without them then.
Black lack of representation is one such statistic. Or is it you only agree with their use when convenient?
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression? What about the fact I can legally get turned down for a job because of my race. How about that I’m taught to be ashamed of my race for all the bad thing it/(I) did? Or that the city where I lived publicly turned down a Lows because the offer was from a white man.
Wait, so you actually think that when we woke up everyday in the early 80’s and ONLY saw representations of ourselves on reruns of Goodtimes and the Jeffersons that we should have just stayed quiet and accepted it? If we DARED to be represented on a more equal level, then this is now racism?
If you honestly think like this, you can continue this by yourself. Your perspective is pretty damn limited. Sad really.[/quote]
I was born in 83 making my max age of 6 in the 80s. Why should I have to repay that debt? Unless you are grouping all white people together in which case it doesn’t matter what I personally did.
Once again you lump people into groups only when it shows something you want to see.
Read back over my posts about TV shows and then eat your words.
I think you seem to forget that many white people fought for integration and equal rights too.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression? [/quote]
The only person to fairly answer that question is the student that didn’t get in. He was oppressed wasn’t he? Fuck “historically”, he was oppressed the one time it mattered to him.
Which are more worn out? the threads on full body versus splits or the racism threads?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Wow, you actually agree with the stuff I was being pretty sarcastic about.
You are against these kinds of race statistics, correct? Justify your argument without them then.
Black lack of representation is one such statistic. Or is it you only agree with their use when convenient?
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression? What about the fact I can legally get turned down for a job because of my race. How about that I’m taught to be ashamed of my race for all the bad thing it/(I) did? Or that the city where I lived publicly turned down a Lows because the offer was from a white man.
Wait, so you actually think that when we woke up everyday in the early 80’s and ONLY saw representations of ourselves on reruns of Goodtimes and the Jeffersons that we should have just stayed quiet and accepted it? If we DARED to be represented on a more equal level, then this is now racism?
If you honestly think like this, you can continue this by yourself. Your perspective is pretty damn limited. Sad really.
I was born in 83 making my max age of 6 in the 80s. Why should I have to repay that debt? Unless you are grouping all white people together in which case it doesn’t matter what I personally did.
Once again you lump people into groups only when it shows something you want to see.
Read back over my posts about TV shows and then eat your words.
I think you seem to forget that many white people fought for integration and equal rights too.[/quote]
…and that changes what I’ve written how? 5 million white people could have marched in the Civil Rights movement and we STILL would have needed a “BET”. What the fuck is your point?
This is my thing about these “race” threads. The problem is that people “vent” instead of actually discussing. As a result,they actually miss what their arguing points were to begin with.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression?
The only person to fairly answer that question is the student that didn’t get in. He was oppressed wasn’t he? Fuck “historically”, he was oppressed the one time it mattered to him.
Which are more worn out? the threads on full body versus splits or the racism threads?
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Unless you consider the quality of my peers and reputation of the school. (things like average HS GPA and SAT get published)
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression?
The only person to fairly answer that question is the student that didn’t get in. He was oppressed wasn’t he? Fuck “historically”, he was oppressed the one time it mattered to him.
Which are more worn out? the threads on full body versus splits or the racism threads?
Unless you consider the quality of my peers and reputation of the school. (things like average HS GPA and SAT get published)[/quote]
Wow. Sometimes more goes into an acceptance letter than simply GPA and SAT, especially at higher levels of education after college.
He’s right, the only person to answer that question would be the person who allegedly did not get into college, no one else.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Wow, you actually agree with the stuff I was being pretty sarcastic about.
You are against these kinds of race statistics, correct? Justify your argument without them then.
Black lack of representation is one such statistic. Or is it you only agree with their use when convenient?
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression? What about the fact I can legally get turned down for a job because of my race. How about that I’m taught to be ashamed of my race for all the bad thing it/(I) did? Or that the city where I lived publicly turned down a Lows because the offer was from a white man.
Wait, so you actually think that when we woke up everyday in the early 80’s and ONLY saw representations of ourselves on reruns of Goodtimes and the Jeffersons that we should have just stayed quiet and accepted it? If we DARED to be represented on a more equal level, then this is now racism?
If you honestly think like this, you can continue this by yourself. Your perspective is pretty damn limited. Sad really.
I was born in 83 making my max age of 6 in the 80s. Why should I have to repay that debt? Unless you are grouping all white people together in which case it doesn’t matter what I personally did.
Once again you lump people into groups only when it shows something you want to see.
Read back over my posts about TV shows and then eat your words.
I think you seem to forget that many white people fought for integration and equal rights too.
…and that changes what I’ve written how? 5 million white people could have marched in the Civil Rights movement and we STILL would have needed a “BET”. What the fuck is your point?[/quote]
I have never said one single thing about BET being needed or not. Why do you keep reverting to that instead of addressing my argument?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Wow, you actually agree with the stuff I was being pretty sarcastic about.
You are against these kinds of race statistics, correct? Justify your argument without them then.
Black lack of representation is one such statistic. Or is it you only agree with their use when convenient?
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression? What about the fact I can legally get turned down for a job because of my race. How about that I’m taught to be ashamed of my race for all the bad thing it/(I) did? Or that the city where I lived publicly turned down a Lows because the offer was from a white man.
Wait, so you actually think that when we woke up everyday in the early 80’s and ONLY saw representations of ourselves on reruns of Goodtimes and the Jeffersons that we should have just stayed quiet and accepted it? If we DARED to be represented on a more equal level, then this is now racism?
If you honestly think like this, you can continue this by yourself. Your perspective is pretty damn limited. Sad really.
I was born in 83 making my max age of 6 in the 80s. Why should I have to repay that debt? Unless you are grouping all white people together in which case it doesn’t matter what I personally did.
Once again you lump people into groups only when it shows something you want to see.
Read back over my posts about TV shows and then eat your words.
I think you seem to forget that many white people fought for integration and equal rights too.
…and that changes what I’ve written how? 5 million white people could have marched in the Civil Rights movement and we STILL would have needed a “BET”. What the fuck is your point?
I have never said one single thing about BET being needed or not. Why do you keep reverting to that instead of addressing my argument?[/quote]
Because your argument is bullshit. It doesn’t matter what year you were born. You were born into a situation that had its inception long before you or I existed. People born in 1957 didn’t START racism but they damn sure had to deal with it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression?
The only person to fairly answer that question is the student that didn’t get in. He was oppressed wasn’t he? Fuck “historically”, he was oppressed the one time it mattered to him.
Which are more worn out? the threads on full body versus splits or the racism threads?
Unless you consider the quality of my peers and reputation of the school. (things like average HS GPA and SAT get published)
Wow. Sometimes more goes into an acceptance letter than simply GPA and SAT, especially at higher levels of education after college.
He’s right, the only person to answer that question would be the person who allegedly did not get into college, no one else. [/quote]
And what do you think they’d say? lol
SAT and such does have a large impact on a school’s reputation. Reputation of a school is paramount in getting a job. Not to mention group projects and things of that sort.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Wow, you actually agree with the stuff I was being pretty sarcastic about.
You are against these kinds of race statistics, correct? Justify your argument without them then.
Black lack of representation is one such statistic. Or is it you only agree with their use when convenient?
The fact that there were minorities at my college that wouldn’t have gotten in if they were white isn’t a form of oppression? What about the fact I can legally get turned down for a job because of my race. How about that I’m taught to be ashamed of my race for all the bad thing it/(I) did? Or that the city where I lived publicly turned down a Lows because the offer was from a white man.
Wait, so you actually think that when we woke up everyday in the early 80’s and ONLY saw representations of ourselves on reruns of Goodtimes and the Jeffersons that we should have just stayed quiet and accepted it? If we DARED to be represented on a more equal level, then this is now racism?
If you honestly think like this, you can continue this by yourself. Your perspective is pretty damn limited. Sad really.
I was born in 83 making my max age of 6 in the 80s. Why should I have to repay that debt? Unless you are grouping all white people together in which case it doesn’t matter what I personally did.
Once again you lump people into groups only when it shows something you want to see.
Read back over my posts about TV shows and then eat your words.
I think you seem to forget that many white people fought for integration and equal rights too.
…and that changes what I’ve written how? 5 million white people could have marched in the Civil Rights movement and we STILL would have needed a “BET”. What the fuck is your point?
I have never said one single thing about BET being needed or not. Why do you keep reverting to that instead of addressing my argument?
Because your argument is bullshit. It doesn’t matter what year you were born. You were born into a situation that had its inception long before you or I existed. People born in 1957 didn’t START racism but they damn sure had to deal with it.[/quote]
So, should black people be a statistical group or not?
Have I never experienced racism?
I’m trying to only argue few things at a time so you will address it all.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And what do you think they’d say? lol
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We won’t know but it damn sure doesn’t involve you speaking for them through second hand and possibly completely incorrect accounts of what happened.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, should black people be a statistical group or not?[/quote]
In 2008, no. They should not. In the fucking early 80’s, yes because we as a group were underrepresented through movies and television. Deal with it. Time is a progression, not some static set of events.
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Have I never experienced racism?[/quote]
Don’t give a flying rat’s ass if you have.
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I’m trying to only argue few things at a time so you will address it all.[/quote]
LOL. You give yourself way too much credit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
And what do you think they’d say? lol
We won’t know but it damn sure doesn’t involve you speaking for them through second hand and possibly completely incorrect accounts of what happened. [/quote]
Um, I was there. I can speak for myself and what I saw and know to be fact though, which is what I did.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
So, should black people be a statistical group or not?
In 2008, no. They should not. In the fucking early 80’s, yes because we as a group were underrepresented through movies and television. Deal with it. Time is a progression, not some static set of events.
Have I never experienced racism?
Don’t give a flying rat’s ass if you have.
I’m trying to only argue few things at a time so you will address it all.
LOL. You give yourself way too much credit.[/quote]
What about whites being underrepresented in many of today’s professional sports? Should something be done legally to rectify that situation (the reverse in things like hockey and swimming)?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Whoa! hold the damn phone. Who ever said anything about BET not being justified?
I pointed out that the fact that it is allowed to exist without a huge fuss and dozens of discrimination law suits is proof that allowances are made in direct contradiction to what you posted earlier.
I specifically said justified or not in my previous post. Read what I wrote. I never argued justification. There are allowances made that would not be for white people, period. Are you saying they aren’t enough?
They clearly are NOT enough if someone can bring up the existence of BET as a symbol of “allowances”. BET exists, name and all, because of the underrepresentation of black people. There are Mexican networks as well but clearly this never sets off people trying to point fingers.
It wouldn’t work for white people because at the time of BET’s inception, the entire landscape on TV was white. Hell, in the early 80’s it was still rare to see a black family on a random commercial or billboard sign.
Why would there be discrimination law suits when it was created because of discrimination?
That is what we have been discussing for pages.
If black people join together to fight racism, this can NOT be considered racist because they would be the ones oppressed historically. As time progresses, hopefully all lings will be erased but quit pretending as if these things were simply “allowances”.
So I’ve never experienced racism?
This racism is only institutional BS is retarded.
If you treat people differently based on race it is racism.
You I guess are saying racism is sometimes justified. This is where I disagree.
I also named a number of allowances besides BET.
So, if a couple, one black and one white, are dating. And they catch flack from both sides, the white people are racist, and the black people are just standing up for their race? Not to mention the white person in the relationship isn’t experiencing racism.
You argue against statistics that lump blacks in as a group. Then try to use the same stats to justify your logic.
You talk about having to fight for rights and equality as a group, then say hey, don’t call us a group.
Dude, quit the bullshit. RACISM involves one group being OVER another in some fashion, whether that be financially or socially. Racism is NOT one racial group coming together to fight racism against it. That doesn’t even fucking make sense.
Why the fuck does this need to be explained to you?
BET can NOT be racist because it was created due to blacks not being represented.
This should NOT need to be explained to you. Deal with it and get over it.
If you are not being oppressed in some situation or in a position made inferior than those on the same level as you, you are not the victim of “racism”.
Sorry if that hurts.
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Actually prejudice and racism is as simple as having a thought about a particular group based on their ethnicity and not the individual. The concepts have little to do with one group being dominant over another.
If I nod and say hi to you when I walk by on the street because you’re black and I later nod and say hi to DoubleDuce a little different because he’s white and I’m more comfortable around him that is racism. I’m not acting in an oppressive way towards you. You were a “victim” of racism.
Unfortunately the collective racism of a majority group can be used as a tool to oppress the minority.
The concept of MTV playing music videos geared towards white people is not racist UNLESS they play them with the thought of “we don’t want black people to see their videos” or “we only want to make white people happy”. If their thought is “these videos get me the most ratings when I play them” is not racist.
Along the same lines the concept of BET is not racist. I doubt the CEO of BET thought “white people have too much TV stations, we need one.” It was probably more along the lines of “I found a niche that will make me some bookoo $$$”. If Leave it To Beaver started getting aired their ratings would drop I’m assuming. I don’t think they would take it off air if it increased ratings greatly.
PS yes I’m racist because I’m assuming Leave it To Beaver is geared more towards white people rather than blacks. None of us can avoid having the preconceptions. It’s all a matter of not letting them change your actions (especially big ones like hiring people).
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
So, should black people be a statistical group or not?
In 2008, no. They should not. In the fucking early 80’s, yes because we as a group were underrepresented through movies and television. Deal with it. Time is a progression, not some static set of events.
Have I never experienced racism?
Don’t give a flying rat’s ass if you have.
I’m trying to only argue few things at a time so you will address it all.
LOL. You give yourself way too much credit.
What about whites being underrepresented in many of today’s professional sports? Should something be done legally to rectify that situation (the reverse in things like hockey and swimming)?[/quote]
I had no clue you were this clueLESS.
I’m wasting my time here.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
So, should black people be a statistical group or not?
In 2008, no. They should not. In the fucking early 80’s, yes because we as a group were underrepresented through movies and television. Deal with it. Time is a progression, not some static set of events.
Have I never experienced racism?
Don’t give a flying rat’s ass if you have.
I’m trying to only argue few things at a time so you will address it all.
LOL. You give yourself way too much credit.
What about whites being underrepresented in many of today’s professional sports? Should something be done legally to rectify that situation (the reverse in things like hockey and swimming)?
I had no clue you were this clueLESS.
I’m wasting my time here. [/quote]
The NAACP sued networks for not having enough black shows. Why not sue the NHL for not having enough black players?
[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
If I nod and say hi to you when I walk by on the street because you’re black and I later nod and say hi to DoubleDuce a little different because he’s white and I’m more comfortable around him that is racism. I’m not acting in an oppressive way towards you. You were a “victim” of racism.
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That’s called bias. That is not called “racism”. Someone black may truly feel more comfortable around their own ethnicity and this does not mean they have negative thoughts about an entire race specifically.
If I go to a football game and am the only black person there in the stands, you are saying it is racism if I feel uncomfortable?