Age:25
Height:5’7"
Weight 193 lbs
BF:15-17%
Squat 1rm-370
Deadlift 1rm-465
Bench 1rm-295
Train following Wendler’s 5/3/1.
Diet - 5-6 meals a day, mostly try to eat as much as I can - focusing mainly on beef, potatoes/rice and fruit/vegetables. Use a pre workout, animal pak and multi vitamin.
I’ve been researching since I was around 20. I finally have the money, time, knowledge and a source who has pharmacy grade, so I can finally seriously consider my first cycle. The only thing holding me back is my career. I work in remote locations as a professional where possession of steroids will get me fired, even though possession isn’t against the law. There is a lot of guys who are “on” here but it’s definitely a risk. So it puts me in a sticky situation, if people are seeing me getting significantly bigger they could become suspicious.
Would a 10 week cycle of test enthanate yield large enough gains that I’d be noticed? I’ve done a lot of research on Bill Roberts 2 week cycles but am sort of skeptical about them. They appeal to me more because I do have 2 weeks off at a time so I can use gear while on days off but I’m looking mainly for strength gains. It seems like as soon as the gains start coming in the 2 week cycles, it’s time to go “off”.
Looking for some advice.
Thanks.
To be honest you always want to get the most out of your first cycle, so don’t waste it. If your looking to gain a few pounds, just eat.
2 week cycles suck btw.
Your stats are pretty decent, so I’m presuming you know how to train and eat, you add test to that mix for the first time you would typically gain around 15-25lbs (PROVIDING YOU ARE eating and training properly). So yes you would get noticed, wait till your in a better position buddy.
[quote]bigpunn wrote:
To be honest you always want to get the most out of your first cycle, so don’t waste it. If your looking to gain a few pounds, just eat.
2 week cycles suck btw.
Your stats are pretty decent, so I’m presuming you know how to train and eat, you add test to that mix for the first time you would typically gain around 15-25lbs (PROVIDING YOU ARE eating and training properly). So yes you would get noticed, wait till your in a better position buddy.[/quote]
Two week cycles do not suck. And they are perfect for what he needs, which is a slow steady gain. The other option is to go low dose, but from a recovery standpoint, two weeks are better than ten.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]bigpunn wrote:
To be honest you always want to get the most out of your first cycle, so don’t waste it. If your looking to gain a few pounds, just eat.
2 week cycles suck btw.
Your stats are pretty decent, so I’m presuming you know how to train and eat, you add test to that mix for the first time you would typically gain around 15-25lbs (PROVIDING YOU ARE eating and training properly). So yes you would get noticed, wait till your in a better position buddy.[/quote]
Two week cycles do not suck. And they are perfect for what he needs, which is a slow steady gain. The other option is to go low dose, but from a recovery standpoint, two weeks are better than ten.
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I think you’re missing the point here, he is going to waste his first cycle on a few two weekers, why not wait until he’s in a better position and run a ten week cycle and get the most gains possible. It’s just looking at things in the long run (and being able to wait)
Just my 2 cents but I believe two week cycles do suck. It’s an old idea and does work, but the problem is (assuming you’re taking as much time off as you are on), your time off wouldn’t start till the short ester has left your system completely (which can be almost a week with something like test prop).
So then you turn a two weeker into a three weeker, accept you have lower than optimal levels of gear for the third week while you wait for it to clear. Then you do your week pct and have two weeks off.
That’s 2 out of 6 weeks using proper AAS dosages, just saying there are more efficient ways to do things - again I’m not saying it doesn’t work, just in my opinion you have better options.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]bigpunn wrote:
To be honest you always want to get the most out of your first cycle, so don’t waste it. If your looking to gain a few pounds, just eat.
2 week cycles suck btw.
Your stats are pretty decent, so I’m presuming you know how to train and eat, you add test to that mix for the first time you would typically gain around 15-25lbs (PROVIDING YOU ARE eating and training properly). So yes you would get noticed, wait till your in a better position buddy.[/quote]
Two week cycles do not suck. And they are perfect for what he needs, which is a slow steady gain. The other option is to go low dose, but from a recovery standpoint, two weeks are better than ten.
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MassiveGuns,
Do you have experience with 2 weekers? I think I’ve read pretty well every log/results post on the internet about the 2 week cycles. The flexibility, supposedly not getting shut down and the fact they’re two weeks really appeals to me.
It seems like the majority of guyswill gain ~5-15 lbs but only retain none-~10lbs. Given this depends on the compounds (test prop, dbol, tren ace) and doses. Ideally, I don’t want to be noticed for cycling but at the same time I don’t wanna to be spending a few hundred to only retain 2 lbs even though I’m mostly interested in strength gains.
If you don’t want to be noticed for cycling, juicing, whatever then don’t do it. Why the shame?
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
If you don’t want to be noticed for cycling, juicing, whatever then don’t do it. Why the shame?[/quote]
There isn’t any shame, it’s just if I’m noticed for getting bigger quick then people at work become suspicious easily - like the media they point the finger immediately at AAS. If I’m caught with possession of AAS at work then I’m fired. We stay in a camp for weeks on end so I’d have to take it with me there.
timhortons - As someone currently guinea pigging himself on two weekers (starting my third consecutive on Sunday), allow me to weigh in.
For your purposes, two weekers may be the best way to go. I am in a similar situation where I don’t want to attract undue attention by blowing up too fast - although I am seeing that it may not matter as much as I thought. But so far I like the two week protocol.
I am also using 531, and see great progress and gains while combining the two. My preference is to do it like this: 3x5 week natural, then run the two weeker through 3x3 and 531 weeks, then come off and do PCT while starting another 3 week 531 cycle. After the second 531 cycle I do a deload/conditioning week, then start it over again. This gives me a 2 on/5 off ratio which seems to be working pretty good so far. I typically gain about 10 pounds over the two weeks, and hold onto 4-5 by the start of the next one (my weight fluctuates a lot during the off weeks, depending on calories). I started my first one at 207 and finished at 217. Started second one at 211 and weighed 216 this morning. Lifting numbers progress well during the two weeks on, and continue during the weeks off.
This current week is 3x5 week, and I am dragging ass a little in the gym. Thinking 2/5 may be a little too long off, but not sure how to adjust my training cycles to meet a 2/4 rotation, without completely dropping the deload which I think is becoming necessary.
Anyway, hope this helps. BTW, my dosing is 50mg ED of Tren A, Test P, and Mast P, so 350mg per week of each. If my stuff shows up in time, I’m planning on playing with daily doses of each one to see if there is a better sweet spot than what I am doing.
[quote]timhortons1989 wrote:
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
If you don’t want to be noticed for cycling, juicing, whatever then don’t do it. Why the shame?[/quote]
There isn’t any shame, it’s just if I’m noticed for getting bigger quick then people at work become suspicious easily - like the media they point the finger immediately at AAS. If I’m caught with possession of AAS at work then I’m fired. We stay in a camp for weeks on end so I’d have to take it with me there.[/quote]
Ohh ok gotcha, do you have access to weights and enough food during these times?
[quote]boatguy wrote:
timhortons - As someone currently guinea pigging himself on two weekers (starting my third consecutive on Sunday), allow me to weigh in.
For your purposes, two weekers may be the best way to go. I am in a similar situation where I don’t want to attract undue attention by blowing up too fast - although I am seeing that it may not matter as much as I thought. But so far I like the two week protocol.
I am also using 531, and see great progress and gains while combining the two. My preference is to do it like this: 3x5 week natural, then run the two weeker through 3x3 and 531 weeks, then come off and do PCT while starting another 3 week 531 cycle. After the second 531 cycle I do a deload/conditioning week, then start it over again. This gives me a 2 on/5 off ratio which seems to be working pretty good so far. I typically gain about 10 pounds over the two weeks, and hold onto 4-5 by the start of the next one (my weight fluctuates a lot during the off weeks, depending on calories). I started my first one at 207 and finished at 217. Started second one at 211 and weighed 216 this morning. Lifting numbers progress well during the two weeks on, and continue during the weeks off.
This current week is 3x5 week, and I am dragging ass a little in the gym. Thinking 2/5 may be a little too long off, but not sure how to adjust my training cycles to meet a 2/4 rotation, without completely dropping the deload which I think is becoming necessary.
Anyway, hope this helps. BTW, my dosing is 50mg ED of Tren A, Test P, and Mast P, so 350mg per week of each. If my stuff shows up in time, I’m planning on playing with daily doses of each one to see if there is a better sweet spot than what I am doing.[/quote]
Thanks a lot for the input, this helps quite a bit! What are you doing for PCT? 2 weeks of nolvadex? How long after do you feel like you’ve recovered enough to start another cycle/do you feel pretty shutdown after 2 weeks?
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
[quote]timhortons1989 wrote:
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
If you don’t want to be noticed for cycling, juicing, whatever then don’t do it. Why the shame?[/quote]
There isn’t any shame, it’s just if I’m noticed for getting bigger quick then people at work become suspicious easily - like the media they point the finger immediately at AAS. If I’m caught with possession of AAS at work then I’m fired. We stay in a camp for weeks on end so I’d have to take it with me there.[/quote]
Ohh ok gotcha, do you have access to weights and enough food during these times?[/quote]
Ya big time, the gym in our camp is as good if not better than most city gyms. Plus an endless supply of plain chicken breasts, salad bar and really whatever a guy wants. I usually have better workout there since I have way less distractions.