A quote the THE PERFECT REP:
[quote]And for advanced lifters, not exceeding the Max Force Point delivers, by a huge margin, the very best and most consistent gains.
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I think many people have just glossed over the article because I am getting the impression that a lot of newbies are now just ramping up to the MFP for the day and are done.
IMO you can’t do that!
The only reason ADVANCED lifters can stop at the Max Force Point is due to the fact that they are very neurally efficient, they can tap into the High Threshold Muscle Fibers and fatigue them from the very first rep.
For people who are not advanced you need to go further, you need to grind out a few reps at the end. The reason is that you cannot stimulate the HTMU’s from the very first rep, its not an “oh you’re doing it wrong!”, its an “your nervous system hasn’t yet efficient enough to tap into them from the very first rep”.
I’m not necessarily saying to go to failure but you need to flirt with it.
Too much thinking going on here.
so what you are saying is that we need to lift progressively heavier weights to gain muscle?
OUTRAGEOUS, BLASPHEMY
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Too much thinking going on here. [/quote]
Not at all. I’m saying that most people need to go close to failure to maximize fast twitch hypertrophy.
When they get more advanced they do not
[quote]toolshed wrote:
so what you are saying is that we need to lift progressively heavier weights to gain muscle?
OUTRAGEOUS, BLASPHEMY[/quote]
If you re-read my post I never use te word “heavy” or “stonger”, or “light weights” for that fact!
The only way I can assume you have come to that conclusion is that you have the reading comprehension of a child!
or you just glossed over what I said in a hurry to make a sarcastic, irrelevant comment!
[quote]Clown Face wrote:
[quote]toolshed wrote:
so what you are saying is that we need to lift progressively heavier weights to gain muscle?
OUTRAGEOUS, BLASPHEMY[/quote]
If you re-read my post I never use te word “heavy” or “stonger”, or “light weights” for that fact!
The only way I can assume you have come to that conclusion is that you have the reading comprehension of a child!
or you just glossed over what I said in a hurry to make a sarcastic, irrelevant comment![/quote]
Nope, you never used those words.
You said that one has to go to failure, or at least close to it, to gain muscle. Which essentially means to lift progressively heavier and heavier weights.
What you are saying is absolutely true, but it’s the way you are saying it. The point was that you could have summarized what you said into one sentence. There’s too many people (not necessarily you) overthinking details instead of looking at the big picture. Starting to talk about activation of different muscle fibers and stuff like that isn’t the most helpful thing for people already obsessing over details, they simply need to be told to lift heavier weights while eating enough.
I agree. But this is the BODYBUILDING forum. NOT the BEGINNERS forum.
I presummed most people already knew that they should lift heavier and heavier weights!
The only reason I felt that what I said needed to be said was the fact that if you look in the Anaconda or Thib forum you will see a lot of people, who in my opinion, should not be stopping at the MFP, but are.
The reason I put it in the bodybuilding forum was the fact that it gets the most traffic from the beginners who are ignorant of how advanced they are not!