Are you a model?
Not at all ahah I just did one shoot for fun and learning stuff. I tried during the last week to do some water cutting (shredded in 6 days) but honestly it just made me slightly worse and I donāt think I was lean enough
Water cuts and ensuing carb ups are difficult to get right. The exact specifics regarding what to do will differ from person to person. You could ask the mighty stu, brickhead or flipcollar for advice regarding this, theyāre veterans
@unreal24278 Thanks for the mention.
@aldebaran
Water cuts for bodybuilding are completely unnecessary. In fact, I was drinking a ton up until and during the show. @The_Mighty_Stu
Says him.
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Sure, but if we consider his pics from them, if he truely was natural, then yes.
Iām curious how would @The_Mighty_Stu fare with FFMI at his top natural level?
I donāt know if heād lie about his natural status, he has no real incentive to other than to preserve ego/make others think āwow, look, heās really the genetic eliteāā¦ but given his channel, his content etc Iām willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
Lee Priest on the other handā¦ not a fucking chance, unless he had a genetic mutation regarding myostatin regulation heās been on gear since age 15-16 (whichā¦ fair enough, one could see he had SERIOUS potential at age 12). He claims he isnāt on anything currently, yet has 20 inch arms (recently measured) LEANā¦ without being able to exercise much due to chronic pain/post surgical damageā¦ At a height of 5ā4ā¦ it doesnāt add up
The real kicker isā¦ who cares? Why does it matter whether someone is natural or notā¦ unless theyāre competing in a natural league/tested sport, it doesnāt matter, it doesnāt affect any of us. It typically only harms the user, thus if someone has made a well informed, educated decision to useā¦ I say we leave them alone (unless the person is clearly mentally ill and thus canāt comprehend rational thought).
Also the above philosophy goes straight out the window if the individual is clearly lying/trying to sell a product to the unsuspecting masses whilst claiming natty, I dislike this and find it immoral. Theres a big problem relating to this exact phenomenon currently plaguing the fitness industry. Itās multi pronged, societal stigmatisation, ignorance and misconception means athletes canāt be honest to begin withā¦ AND sponsorship companies wonāt allow athletes to come out and be honest.
I mean, that being said if gymshark (or whatever) offered me a cool few mil each year but said āto close this contract youāve gotta use this, you can now afford top of the line healthcare for monitoring but youāve gotta keep use on the DLā¦ deny, deny, denyā¦ pull an OāHearnā I wouldnāt hesitateā¦ so I can understand why these people lieā¦ money talks, and humankind is inherently greedy.
Same for me dude. iām natty but if I were offered such a contract in exchange of having to use gear and lie I would. Probably wouldnāt use as much but I would.
Anyway I think Iāll use TRT at least, when Iām 40 or so
Jesusā¦ is that an un-photoshopped picā¦ he looks like a walking myocardial infarctionā¦ Heās almost half as big as me (jokes)
HIS SHOULDER IS BIGGER THAN HIS HEAD
We should all be so lucky 
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If there is personal harm and the user deals with his resultant medical and subsequent emotional problems all by his lonesome, fine. I think a chunk of users donāt.
From a societal standpoint, it also opens up a can of worms if thereās approval for non-clinical use of medication: what other medications should people be able to use at will?
I admit Iām hypocritical in my statements considering I followed bodybuilding for much of my life and have friends who use. Fortunately my friends have healthy fear and deal with their problems.
@unreal24278
You might like this discussion Stu and I had with āthe steroid lawyerā Rick Collins.
Talking about Lee Priestās genetics, both his parents were bodybuilders, so he got the double whammy of bodybuilding DNA
Mom.
Dad, who still competes in his 70s.
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I wonder how much having succesful parentsāwho know how to train, sculpt, eat, the whole enchiladaāraising a kid in that lifestyle makes a difference.
It seems like it would be virtually ideal circumstance if the kid is into it.
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Certainly, itād be extremely helpful in relation to competingā¦ but 20 inch arms LEAN when you can barely exercise due to the fact that youāve got nerve damage stemming from being in a violent car crash, have extensive nerve damage from the injuries + following surgeryā¦ it doesnāt add up. I should furthermore state there is a ceiling behind how big one can get naturally. If I recall correctly his mother made that transformation in a number of months
I donāt doubt he worked very, very hard. but thereās no way he was natty until he was 19, I donāt think his father was either tbhā¦ heās seventyā¦ But I could be wrong. I donāt wish to make you upset, this is my conveyed opinion.
Is this to say his parents didnāt work extremely hard? Obviously not, look at his physique, that doesnāt come without a great amount of diet, training, work ethic (many years of itā¦ youāre not going to look like that in a year regardless of what you take)
Unless theyāve got an MSTN gene mutation, I canāt see this being possible naturally (regarding Lee and his father)
If I recall correctly many years back there was a guy on here who was a teenagerā¦ he posted some pics on the Pharma forum and clearly had world class geneticsā¦ fast forward about ten yearsā¦ he was in either the Mr Olympia or competing very high up
It was rate my physique
And amazingly, one of our more prominent posters at the time ragged on his genetics, haha.
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Iām not.
Iām just considering more than drugs.
I can actually look at these elements with consideration for my own kid. He loves lifting with me (playfully. I donāt drill him) and has a decent overhead and dead lift. And Loves hulking out flexing and stuff. He eats, well, like a 7 year old. A little better actually. Loves salmon, chicken, etc. but is still a little picky.
But I donāt necessarily have the genes for mass, though they could be in there. His mother actually used to be pretty jacked and quite strong too.
So anyways, all of those elements have to come together in a perfect storm of sorts. Iāve been around steroids and drugs my whole life, literally. I know that it takes more than just that.
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Look at how fucking buff he wasā¦ Jesusā¦ after only one cycleā¦ (legal PHās at that time typically refer to designer steroids)ā¦ He said heād only put on a statistically insignificant amount from said run, thus a good 95%+ of where heād gotten to was naturally attainedā¦ thatās fucking amazing, we could all only wish for such a response to lifting!
Unfortunately starting points donāt always dictate how big one can get. Some scrawny guys have exceptional responses to weights/stimulus to grow whilst another naturally big dude may barely budge from conventional weight training. This guy had a decent starting point, an amazing response to lifting
How is he doing currently? Is he still alive?
Weāre referring to burden on the public healthcare system right? What about people who choose to smoke tobacco/drink to excess and end up in hospital from MI/hepatic/renal failure/cancer or whatnotā¦ should we say āwell they shouldnāt be able to access help?ā If we are referring to people taking out their AAS induced emotional burden on othersā¦ youāre right, thatās absolutely unacceptable. Also, thanks for the video, looks like an interesting watch and Iāll check it out asap
I disagree with the notion of policing people for actions that only hurt themselvesā¦ I think as a fully developed, mentally competent adult one should have the ability to make the simple decision ācan I put this in my bodyā.
There are a few countries wherein AAS are approved for OTC use and/or are legal for personal use, not that itās importantā¦ but the sky didnāt fall. Iām not advocating legalisation, as I believe for something as complex as AAS the majority shouldnāt be usingā¦ they have no idea what theyāre putting into their bodyā¦ but decriminalisation/legalisation for personal use I agree with. I donāt see the point of locking a guy up for a few years because he had a few vials of test.
What medications do people already use at will though. Heroin, oxycodone (opioids), benzodiazepines, z-drugs, cannabis, cocaine you name itā¦ restrictive measures havenāt stopped people from taking this stuff. It isnāt to say ālegalise everythingā, but personal use shouldnāt net jail time in my opinionā¦ go after the suppliers if you want to cut off the supply, punishing users does nothing to stop the drug trade in itās tracks.
We also need more funding put into legitimate harm minimisation/educational programs (absent of bias, with programs like DARE/generalised ājust say no programsā people saw right through). I recall one study looking at teens (adults may be different), it came to the conclusion many tune out when told obviously biased and/or ideologies preaching abstinence because it wasnāt relevant to them, their life (what peers or even they might be doing). Kids tended to listen properly when unbiased information regarding the risks of varying substances were disclosed to them. I believe if the majority knew ālook, if you take this you might require TRT for the rest of youāre life, long term you might be looking at cardiac enlargement etcāā¦ they wouldnāt be messing around with AAS
However this is a thread for a different topic. I donāt wish to de-rail this thread.
Btw Iām currently watching the video you sent meā¦ itās very, very interesting, highly appreciated
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