I kinda agree. Not a huge deal. Aslong as a person puts forth some effort to be understood. I myself being grammer impaired try my best but I f-up quite a bit I’m sure. As for using…periods to…break up a sentence. I will never give this up. No way. It’s…or is that its…amazing how we can now fight over punctuation on this forum too. Yay us. 
Whats the point of this post? We all know bad spelling and grammer pisses us off. You’re only getting this message across to a few people at the moment. This thread will be gone soon and it wont make a god damn difference whether you wrote it or not. Realise that there will always be future newcommers that will use bad grammer and spell poorly. What will you do then? Start another one of these gay posts? Stick to worrying about your training.
Hey tek who gives a shit this is a forum not an english essay. People can type the way they want who do u think u are to tell people how they should and shouldnt type,and/or talk. If thats how they communicate then let them do it their way. IF u dont like their post dont respond, simple. Some of u people on this forum need to get off your high horses and come down to earth for a lil while,not everyonre is perfect.
I’d just like to thank the negative posters here for proving my point for me, especially the anonymous ones. 
TEK one more thing buddy. I have read some of your post. I do not recall ever reading one that really impressed me. This goes for the other people who are upset about not spelling perfectly or not using proper punctuation. I would advise you to spend a little more time reading and a little less time correcting grammar. I am here to learn about training. When I post things, it is like I am talking to my friends not to my boss, clients, or professors. So I say to you concentrate more on information and a little less on grammar. Just because some one puts … or doesn’t have the best grammar does not mean they are morons or beginners. We all have our weak points and strong points. I wouldn’t get pissed off at you if you did not add correctly. So do not get pissed off at me for not spelling perfectly. Good day sir.
Let me make a point to those who are defending their right to be ignorant and lazy by having poor grammar. I don’t think anyone minds an occasional mistake or error in spelling or the like, but this lack of attention to detail is the same problem that most of you have in your diet and training. Those of you who are not willing to take the time to post intelligently are the same people who shrug their shoulders at that last few reps during workouts. Or those are the guys who waste time in the gym chit-chatting with people. Or, the guys who shrug their shoulders and tell themselves it doesn’t matter if they slip a few chocolate chip cookies in here or there when they’re trying to get lean.
My idea of a true T-man is someone who strives for excellence in anything and everything they do in life and not just diet and training. When I train clients at the gym, I can always identify those people who will excel and see significant noticable results. They are the people who pay attention to detail and are self-critical with everything they do and not just their fitness endeavors. So when I read posts on this board from people who continue to lack this attention to detail with their posts, even though I can’t see them and I don’t know them, I realize they will not be as successful in their diet and training endeavors. They will make excuses and blame others just as they are making excuses and blaming others for their grammatical shortcomings here. Anyone see Bill Roberts, Brock Strasser, or Chris Shugart making many mistakes on their posts? To those of you supporting TEK here, I’m sure if you’re not already, you’re destined to be some big strong and lean Mother Fuckers.
How do you know these are the people. See now you are being ignorant. You are making a preassumption about people you do not even know. You are also stereotyping people. So please no more of that. Unless you know each of us individual do not make a comment like the one you did. I am sorry, but I know english teachers or people who are anal about spelling and grammar and they are some of the laziest people I know. You can not compare these two things. Paying close attention to grammar and working out hard and paying attention to your diet do not have anything in common. Working out is something I love, grammar I can barely stand it. Get the picture. You work hard at something you love.
it should be noted that the english language is not a closed, ossified system. the history of the english language is rife with phonetic, grammatical, lexcial, etc., changes, all of which have contributed to make it what it is today. how do you think we got from old english to modern-day english? in fact, many (if not all) changes can be attributed to laziness. the language is moving towards efficiency. look at contractions. why do people write “can’t” instead of “cannot?” its all a matter of the law of least effort. call it laziness. call it efficiency. call it whatever you want. english has been doing it for hundreds of years and it isnt going to stop because of some silly post like this. perhaps now, in the rapidly-expanding age of hypertext, language is facing an unprecedented number of potential changes. look at the proliferation of “gotta” and ebonics and “the language of instant messenger.” its rather anarchic and even quixotic to try and impede the inevitable evolution of the language. its going to change, and as history has shown us, more often than not, those changes not only make the language more efficient and accessible, but flat-out better. frankly, posts like this are useless. if you have the time to critique someones grammar, then you have time to search through the t-mag archives and find an article that you may have missed. and before someone jumps at me for my failure to capitalize, please realize that this is a weightlifting board. as long as ideas are exchanged, it doesnt matter whether or not capital letters are used. the moment this forum spawns its own grammar police, im outta here!
“Just trying to keep our board respectable looking.”
this seems to imply that this board is not respectable, and that by cleaning up petty grammatical mistakes, the board will somehow metamorphose into some pristine, majestic confluence of ideas. who really cares if this board is “respectable LOOKING?” lets cut the superficial crap and let our ideas be respectable in themselves.
Ever notice that the steroid forum is the worst when it comes to near illiterate posters? Perhaps there is something to the “big and dumb” stereotype? Or the lazy stereotype since some see steroid use as the “easy way”. I don’t necessarily, but some do. Then again, TEK has written about his past steroid use so I guess they’re not all mentally challenged. I do find it a little scary that those who choose to self-medicate often can’t even spell the drugs they’re injecting into their bodies. I worry that they’re very young rather than very dumb. I could be wrong.
Anyway, I hate when people use “u” instead of “you.” Lazy, man, lazy. And it makes it hard to read so it’s disrespectful and inconsiderate too. Don’t they realize that people won’t bother reading their posts if they write that way?
I appreciate your post as well, TEK. Call me anal, but there’s nothing I hate more than messed-up, disjointed posts. Honestly, when I try to read a post that lacks a simple understanding of grammar, punctuation, or spelling, I just chuckle to myself and move on. I usually figure (stereotype) that the poster is either very young, very lazy, or very stupid. I don’t think that they’re really “hyoooge” or “hardcore”. However, our friend Nate’s post was very thought-provoking and extremely lucid. In the age of electronic communication and the “I can type faster than you” instant messenger craze, the expression of our language is changing - especially for today’s youth. I for one hope that the conventions of our language remain, but maybe that’s just my sentimentality or respect for tradition speaking.
P.S. I do not expect this post to change things that much, but once again, it proves that a lot of us are similar in our thinking, in addition to showing that some of us can indeed spell and write correctly.
I just had an idea pop into my head, when doods and female doods do their posts, I read em, I understand em, I move on. Then sometimes someone will reply and say: “geez your grammar sucks” then I’ll re-read the original post and go “damn that person is right, what happened to the capital letters?” point being is that I don’t notice it the first time. Message boards/instant messenger converstaions are just that, they are a free flowing line of thought like speaking to someone face to face. In which there isn’t much punctuation (unless you are screaming or doing dramatic pause hehe). So I guess there are two kinds of people… those who just read the message and those who analyze the grammar.
I agree with everything Rob has said. Good grammer and spelling dont translate to gains in muscle and leaness. Im just going to quote you for a second SpaceMonkey… “To those of you supporting TEK here, I’m sure if you’re not already, you’re destined to be some big strong and lean Mother Fuckers” <<<< thats the dumbest statement i’ve ever heard. What does supporting TEK have to to with getting big, strong and lean? you crack me up
My opinion is that attention to detail (not just grammatical detail) translates into consistent progress in fitness and all other aspect of your life. Even though you both seem to disagree with me, both of you were clear and concise in you posts which leads me to believe that you are at least somewhat detail oriented. I don’t claim to know everything about people through their post on this board, but the posts all we have here. I hated English class and English teachers too, but I understand the importance of proper grammar (or at least an attempt at it).
Please shut up!! We all know you are a pathetic wanna be. I can hear your mom calling you to clean your room.
Man - what a riot! TEK posts something that basically says, “Hey, you could improve yourself in this area.” Some others say, “You know, you’re right. I support that idea.” And people go absolutely batshit crazy. “Get over yourself” - what is that? If someone gave you some advice to improve your bench (or your driving, or your cunnilingus), would you tell them to “get over” themselves? So what if you love weightlifting and don’t care for grammar? Take a few minutes and learn something.
To everyone who has attacked TEK about this: what is it that you find so terribly threatening about being asked to proofread your posts?!? Are you so busy that the extra two minutes is going to cause you to lose income? Do you think that the extra typing is going to make you catabolic? What? Seriously, I’m really curious. No flames, please.
Guys, this shouldn't even BE an issue. All TEK has done is make a suggestion that's been made many times before. No one objects to the occasional spelling or grammar error. No one objects to slang. Hell, MonkeyBoy Eric uses nothing BUT slang, and his posts are great. (Of course, he also happens to be a GOOD WRITER - what a concept!) All any of us are saying here is, take a little time to proof what you write so that the people reading it can understand what you're saying without too much trouble. In other words, take the time to make your communication better. If you really have strenuous objections to someone making that kind of suggestion, then I have to wonder why...
nate: You are correct that the language changes and shifts over time. I won’t start a lecture on linguistics, but suffice it to say that the ‘evolution’ you speak of generally serves to diminish and impede meaning, cloud reference, and reduce the precision of speech. That is why words that used to have very meaningful connotations (‘fantastic’ is a good example) are now practically devoid of impact; they have been destroyed by colloquialism.
However, your core argument is undoubtedly correct. The language evolves, and it is foolish to completely resist it (although I don’t understand how resisting would be “anarchic,” as one would think vernacular to be the revolutionary element here). Misuse of grammatical structures, or using words to mean things that they do not (out of ignorance), is a destructive act against the language, and does not further it. Creating precise words to express new ideas, emotions, etc., is a valid and valuable improvement. Don’t let yourself believe that efficiency and laziness are the same. Actually, do. Then, three months from now, tell me if your physique has been improved by being extremely efficient and spending, say, five minutes a day in the gym, or by using improper form.
Ultimately, we are judged by the ways we present ourselves, and how we speak with others. You may dislike it, but it’s important to seem educated. A potential employer would not like to hear that one’s poor spelling was “efficient.” As far as the board itself, I don’t see any problem in using slang. But for God’s sake, people, this isn’t Huckleberry Finn… I don’t have enough time in the day to try and decipher posts written “in dialect,” or worse, without any regard to even phonetic spelling. Just make yourselves easily understood, learn the correct spelling of at least the basic words you use, and try to make some good points. The grammarians amongst us will cringe anyway, but at least we’ll know that you’ve made the effort.
I was going to leave this post alone,and for the most part I still don’t care.The only thing I want to respond to is the statement TEK made about the guys at T-mag using proper grammer and spelling.I agree with everything you say,but just want to make one thing clear(I’m on your side).Everyone on this forum should read some Louie Simmons articles.He often makes spelling errors,punctuation errors,etc,.I dare anyone to name someone more “hardcore” than the man,Louie Simmons.
Louie Simmons doesn’t intentionally misspell words because he is too lazy to type an extra three letters.
Louie Simmons is awesome, and has done much to advance the sport of powerlifting. However, his writing skills aren’t great. Hell, one has to read his articles two or three times to understand what he’s writing about. That’s probably why Dave Tate writes so many articles about the Westside system. Dave is an excellent writer; he follows the rules of the English language, and he precisely explains his points.
points well taken. in fact, i think we are in agreement about the core issue here: language changes no matter what. although i suppose, as poststructuralism has taught us, we could argue that language is inherently clouded and ambiguous, and thus, any subsequent linguistic development does little to inject into it any sort of precision (and moreover, whether or not that precision is even desirable). nevertheless, i fullheartedly agree with you that, as an employer, the last thing you want to see if a potential job candidate with poor grammar. i always try to be on my best “grammatical behaviour,” and i was, at one point, a staunch believer that the eleventh commandment was “THOU SHALT NOT VIOLATE AND RUIN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE WITH POOR GRAMMAR.” however, ive since realized that to hold everyone to the strict grammatical standards to which i hold myself is almost a lost cause. most people just dont care. ive read enough freshman essays to consider that “gotta” may actually be a word. in turn, ive hesitantly come to the realization that i dont want to be the silly fool masquerading as a vanguard of the language. most people come here for weightlifting advice, and only in a rare few instances does poor grammar prevent anyone from understanding the question. i think it would be “fantastic” if everybody on this forum used proper grammar, but unfortunately, i know it isnt going to happen. people can hide behind handles and thus, arent under any real scrutiny here. so i do my best to ignore things like: hwo mcuh kreateen shoudl itake, and acknowledge that there is a legitimate question. its nice to try and remind the board that good grammar is respectable, but in the end, will anybody who read this post actually change the way they post? if they havent learned it from their elementary school teacher, they certainly arent going to learn it here.