stickitinherpooper
they have invented a new method to perform cpr that is very simple…
The way we teach it, you do 30 compressions and 2 breaths, though to children we do teach them to just do continuous compressions until help arrives. Other than that, I agree with the guy in the video. Tilt their head back and put your ear to the victims mouth, if he or she isn’t breathing, start compressions immediately. Right between the nipples, put your palm there and use your other hand to pull your fingers up slightly like the they were doing in the vid. Avoid leaning into it continuously, you have to let the pressure up between each “rep” or you will reduce the effectiveness. You want to pump about 100 times a minute.
Someone mentioned that CPR will almost always break ribs. Well if you are breaking ribs you are using too much force, and no, trained personnel does not crack a bunch of ribs when performing CPR. I don’t know where you got that. However if you DO crack the victims ribs while your at it, fuck it, just keep going.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
The Good Samaritan Law only applies if the responder acts within the bounds of his previous medical training.
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Not true. It does not apply ONLY if the responder has previous medical training.
From Division 2.5 of the California Health and Safety Code:
1799.102. No person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission. The scene of an emergency shall not include emergency departments and other places where medical care is usually offered.
In some states the law/act only covers trained professionals and in some cases it specifically DOES NOT cover trained personnel (Oklahoma)
Most states laws cover untrained responders if they are acting in response to cardiac arrest.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
The way we teach it, you do 30 compressions and 2 breaths, though to children we do teach them to just do continuous compressions until help arrives. Other than that, I agree with the guy in the video. Tilt their head back and put your ear to the victims mouth, if he or she isn’t breathing, start compressions immediately. Right between the nipples, put your palm there and use your other hand to pull your fingers up slightly like the they were doing in the vid. Avoid leaning into it continuously, you have to let the pressure up between each “rep” or you will reduce the effectiveness. You want to pump about 100 times a minute.
Someone mentioned that CPR will almost always break ribs. Well if you are breaking ribs you are using too much force, and no, trained personnel does not crack a bunch of ribs when performing CPR. I don’t know where you got that. However if you DO crack the victims ribs while your at it, fuck it, just keep going.[/quote]
here in the states there are different levels of CPR. there are basic CPR courses that teach what you said (if you look, listen and feel for breath and none is present then you commence administering CPR) and there is a CPR for the healthcare professional that teaches to look for an occluded airway before administering CPR.
There have been studies lately that actually showed that doing continuous chest compressions, without rescue breaths, has the same success rate as going with the 30 and 2 method. Some areas here actually employ that method of CPR
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
The Good Samaritan Law only applies if the responder acts within the bounds of his previous medical training.
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Not true. It does not apply ONLY if the responder has previous medical training.
From Division 2.5 of the California Health and Safety Code:
1799.102. No person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission. The scene of an emergency shall not include emergency departments and other places where medical care is usually offered.
In some states the law/act only covers trained professionals and in some cases it specifically DOES NOT cover trained personnel (Oklahoma)
Most states laws cover untrained responders if they are acting in response to cardiac arrest.
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How the fuck is the OP, or I for that matter, supposed to know? That shit ain’t common knowledge.
I guess when something like that happens we run to a PC, access the local gov’ts website, browse through the badly build state/local gov’t web-pages and find the information. Of course those who a have lawyer can just call and find out.
I remember reading an article about someone suing a “good Samaritan”. If I remember correctly, a guy crashed his vehicle and someone saw gasoline dripping from the car. The onlooker proceeded to remove the man from the vehicle and in the process ended up paralyzing him from the waist down. The car never exploded and the driver sued the person who in good faith tried to save him but actually ended up permanently paralyzing him for no reason since the car never blew up.
Don’t remember the outcome though.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
I didn’t know that about US law. Over here, we teach kids as young as 8 years old what to do if you find someone who is unconscious etc. The notion of suing someone for trying to save your life… wow. I recently taught my young nephew how to do it on this dummy we have. Nothing to it.
That being said, I do have certification, but it doesn’t matter if I had or not, no-one could prosecute me or anyone else for giving CPR, even if I ended up cracking a few ribs due to improper technique. If someone isn’t fucking BREATHING, then what’s a few cracked ribs.
ASSAULT? Man I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
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This is one of the things that is fucked up about the US.
And having a License for CPR doesn’t even cover you. You can always be sued for Medical Malpractice.
…no joke… doctors need Medical Malpractice Insurance to cover their asses. (and that shit is expensive)
^^Yeah that could be true Way. I wouldnt doubt it… Everyones looking for a handout. (itd be hard to tell if it was the traumatic accident that cause the paralysis or if it was due to the attempted rescue)
Neospartan: You would just have to do a quick search of your local law regarding that issue. Not saying you’d do the search in the heat of the moment but you’d have to research to find out exactly what your local legislation at some point. Shitty, I know.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
A genteman in his 60s was lifting weights next to me… I was standing a few feet away from him, with my back turned as I was racking my dumbells, and I heard him say “oh, shit!” in what did not sound like a terribly alarmed manner. I did not hear him hit the ground. When I turned around a few seconds later, and he was lying on the weight floor with his head underneath the dumbell rack. I approached him, his eyes were open but he was totally unresponsive, and he was gasping and making horrible snoring noises.
I knew it was bad, so I sprinted to the front desk and told the girl to call an ambulance and tell them to get here NOW. Then the manager and I ran back downstairs to find him turning purple and foaming at the mouth. The manager, who assured everybody that she was trained in CPR, monitored his breathing and pulse, and kept telling me that his breathing and heart rate were strong… and that she didn’t want to move him because “he IS breathing and I don’t want to change anything.”
But that didn’t mesh with what I was seeing, because he was turning totally fucking purple and just gasping occasionally. I told the manager that I didn’t think he was breathing, but she kept her hands on his pulse and kept reassuring me that his vital signs felt “real good.” His hands were turning purple, his gasps and gutteral noises became less frequent and I was stressing the fuck out big time.
Well, evidently the manager doesn’t know what the hell a pulse is supposed to feel like, because when the paramedics arrived, they took one fucking look at him, determined he did NOT have a pulse after all and started doing CPR. I was sitting there watching them pump his chest, waching his abdomen distend, and he just looked like a totally dead sack of flesh. Then they whipped out their defibrillator and shocked him to no avail. I never felt sicker in my life, and while they continued pumping his chest and working on him, all I could think about was that I was watching the final moments of a man’s existence. And it wasn’t fascinating at all, but instead was one of the most disturbing things I’ve ever seen.
But, thankfully, one lucky blast from the defibrillator finally did manage to jump-start his heart, and although he never regained conciousness, he eventually did start breathing on his own again, and then they took him off to the hospital. Said it was probably a heart attack. I hope to God he doesn’t have brain damage because nobody did CPR before the paramedics arrived.
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you also posted this on the forum at letsrun.com. Are you a runner? or a troll?
some states (like Vermont) their good Samaritan Law actually orders their citizens to help those in need.
[quote]gethuge08 wrote:
you also posted this on the forum at letsrun.com. Are you a runner? or a troll?
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you also read this on the forum at letsrun.com. Are you a runner? or a troll?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]gethuge08 wrote:
you also posted this on the forum at letsrun.com. Are you a runner? or a troll?
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you also read this on the forum at letsrun.com. Are you a runner? or a troll?[/quote]
I am a runner.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I remember reading an article about someone suing a “good Samaritan”. If I remember correctly, a guy crashed his vehicle and someone saw gasoline dripping from the car. The onlooker proceeded to remove the man from the vehicle and in the process ended up paralyzing him from the waist down. The car never exploded and the driver sued the person who in good faith tried to save him but actually ended up permanently paralyzing him for no reason since the car never blew up.
Don’t remember the outcome though.[/quote]
Im pretty sure the outcome was the paralyzed guy won. The reasoning behind him winning the case was that the person who pulled him from the car had previous medical training, EMT-B i believe, but dont quote me on that. In which case as Greg was saying in some states the good samaritan law does not cover those with previous training because their knowledge base should dictate in which manner they pull that patient from the car, or determine if it is safe to leave the patient in the car until extrication tools arrive. My teacher covered that case with us in depth to let us know that the good samaritan law will most likely not help us in the court of law.
Im in no way saying i agree or disagree with the outcome, but provided the law in that area and how the situation was handled, the ruling held to the laws.
[quote]gethuge08 wrote:
you also posted this on the forum at letsrun.com. Are you a runner? or a troll?
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I’m not a runner, but I read LR for track news and to make fun of the liberals.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
The Good Samaritan Law only applies if the responder acts within the bounds of his previous medical training.
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Not true. It does not apply ONLY if the responder has previous medical training.
From Division 2.5 of the California Health and Safety Code:
1799.102. No person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission. The scene of an emergency shall not include emergency departments and other places where medical care is usually offered.
In some states the law/act only covers trained professionals and in some cases it specifically DOES NOT cover trained personnel (Oklahoma)
Most states laws cover untrained responders if they are acting in response to cardiac arrest.
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Different states have different laws. To be safe, call 911 and that’s it.
[quote]SickAbs wrote:
Did you try hitting him?[/quote]
Might have worked, actually.
Swift blows to the chest have, on occasion, “restarted” hearts.
http://bmb.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2009/12/09/bmb.ldp045.abstract
Oh, and there’s no way in hell I’m blowing in anyone’s mouth.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Oh, and there’s no way in hell I’m blowing in anyone’s mouth.[/quote]
yeah I wouldn’t either. Places sell these little masks that you can use for CPR that come in a tiny little roll that attaches to you keychain. The best thing to do would be to get a first aid kit (cause the gym will have one) that has a pocket mask in it and use that.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Rattler wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
If he’s not qualified, this is illegal.[/quote]
Yeah and if the guy lived long enough, he could have sued the unqualified CPR giver.
It’s been done.[/quote]
^^Depends on where the OP lives. In the US and Canada there is a thing called the “good Samaritan law.”
Also, a shock from the AED doesnt restart someones heart that isnt beating. It will only shock two different types of irregular heart rhythms. Ventricle Fibrillation and ventricle tachycardia… it basically stops the irregular electrical impulses in the heart in hopes that when they start back up with will start at a normal rhythm that originates in the SA Node.
So the patients heart never actually stopped having any electrical impulses/“beating” otherwise the AED would not have administered a shock.[/quote]
Correct.
In many states it is better not to have certification as the good Samaritan laws provide better protection to the untrained.