A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

The only thing worse than a fem nazi who thinks we need to change manhole covers to person whole covers is ridiculous people who try and pretend our society is filled with all these female privileges as if a man can’t make it in 2014 because society is so setup for females.
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Certain specific gripes aside, the men’s rights movement–the real idiots who seem never to believe that a man has hit or raped a woman, who see themselves as the perpetual victims, who see a feminist conspiracy when their son is suspended for biting another kid in school–is just another (and probably the most egregious) manifestation of the utter pussification of the American male.

It’s so much easier to tell yourself that your own inadequacies–sexual, social, financial, familial–are rooted in oppression than it is to look your failure in the eyes and claim it as your own. Related to this is an increasing bitterness I’v noted among people whom I used to hang out with in high school. “Women are tramps, don’t trust a single one” really means, “I am desperate and unappealing and sexually inadequate, so I date low-class hoodrats and then I’m shocked when they go out and get themselves some strange.”[/quote]

I agree with some of these views. I have areas of my life that I work to improve on. I enjoy trying to improve myself in all areas of my life and feel that gives me the best possible route to be the best me I can be.

Generalizing always leads to poor conclusions. That’s why i tried asking orion who “they” was. Its not the women in my family. Its not my fiance. We got weird ass fem crazy people and apparently we have woe is me women get all the breaks and advantages “men.” I originally asked why we had a war because I don’t think anyone disagrees with some things I’ve said. Instead people just made up people to argue against which is why I was wondering why everyone was quoting me like I was in the man basher brigade. I’m not in that club nor am I in the oh man women get everything club either.

I think both camps are the exact same whininess and sense of entitlement. Like smh said, people wanting someone to blame for their own inadequacies [/quote]

“They” are most women in todays world because even though they might not push for special treatment they happily accept it.

And no "I think both camps are the exact same whininess and sense of entitlement " is BS as good as that might make you feel .

Women can be all strong and independent as much as they want, as long as I get to keep my money.

Get that?

They leech off of me, not the other way around. [/quote]

It makes sense to hate women for taxation. I remember when people complained about taxes one hundred years ago and it was all because of women then as well. Nothing logically wrong with being mad at an entire sex over taxes because only one sex benefits from them.

Is it safe to assume when I asked you for sources for some of your stats that they were either made up or completely faulty at best?

When someone reasons with me and proves me wrong, I change my stance. So prove me wrong. I don’t think I’m the one coming off close minded on this issue.

You also sound like a coworker of mine who has had two divorces. Women take all my money type stuff from him all the time. Do you have some context for why one should hate vaginas as you seem to hate?[/quote]

Cant be bothered right now, but I do not make stuff up, period.

In the age of the Google it is entirely pointless.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

The only thing worse than a fem nazi who thinks we need to change manhole covers to person whole covers is ridiculous people who try and pretend our society is filled with all these female privileges as if a man can’t make it in 2014 because society is so setup for females.
[/quote]

Certain specific gripes aside, the men’s rights movement–the real idiots who seem never to believe that a man has hit or raped a woman, who see themselves as the perpetual victims, who see a feminist conspiracy when their son is suspended for biting another kid in school–is just another (and probably the most egregious) manifestation of the utter pussification of the American male.

It’s so much easier to tell yourself that your own inadequacies–sexual, social, financial, familial–are rooted in oppression than it is to look your failure in the eyes and claim it as your own. Related to this is an increasing bitterness I’v noted among people whom I used to hang out with in high school. “Women are tramps, don’t trust a single one” really means, “I am desperate and unappealing and sexually inadequate, so I date low-class hoodrats and then I’m shocked when they go out and get themselves some strange.”[/quote]

I agree with some of these views. I have areas of my life that I work to improve on. I enjoy trying to improve myself in all areas of my life and feel that gives me the best possible route to be the best me I can be.

Generalizing always leads to poor conclusions. That’s why i tried asking orion who “they” was. Its not the women in my family. Its not my fiance. We got weird ass fem crazy people and apparently we have woe is me women get all the breaks and advantages “men.” I originally asked why we had a war because I don’t think anyone disagrees with some things I’ve said. Instead people just made up people to argue against which is why I was wondering why everyone was quoting me like I was in the man basher brigade. I’m not in that club nor am I in the oh man women get everything club either.

I think both camps are the exact same whininess and sense of entitlement. Like smh said, people wanting someone to blame for their own inadequacies [/quote]

“They” are most women in todays world because even though they might not push for special treatment they happily accept it.

And no "I think both camps are the exact same whininess and sense of entitlement " is BS as good as that might make you feel .

Women can be all strong and independent as much as they want, as long as I get to keep my money.

Get that?

They leech off of me, not the other way around. [/quote]

It makes sense to hate women for taxation. I remember when people complained about taxes one hundred years ago and it was all because of women then as well. Nothing logically wrong with being mad at an entire sex over taxes because only one sex benefits from them.

Is it safe to assume when I asked you for sources for some of your stats that they were either made up or completely faulty at best?

When someone reasons with me and proves me wrong, I change my stance. So prove me wrong. I don’t think I’m the one coming off close minded on this issue.

You also sound like a coworker of mine who has had two divorces. Women take all my money type stuff from him all the time. Do you have some context for why one should hate vaginas as you seem to hate?[/quote]

Cant be bothered right now, but I do not make stuff up, period.

In the age of the Google it is entirely pointless. [/quote]

Then I look forward to reading your sources, though I’m sure it’s based on some “the insanely wealthy pay a lot of taxes and the insanely wealthy are almost all males, therefore women are leeches” logic.

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It makes sense to blame women for debt and taxation because throughout our history so many of our political leaders at all levels of government have been female. In fact, almost all of our laws and spending have been put into place by women who have used their special privileges to dominate the political landscape and make all the rules. I can’t think of a single war or government program or taxpayer bailout since 1800 that wasn’t designed around those fucking leeches with tits.

I’m so sick and tired of women running this country into the ground. Maybe if we would just elect some political leaders that were male for once these women couldn’t constantly fuck guys like me over with all of their privileges and stealing from me via taxation.

I’m glad I could be shown the error of my ways before my wedding. I had no idea I was about to marry someone responsible for so much of our problems. You gotta be careful, because she is insanely beautiful, but I know she’s why my property taxes have went up the last two years. Sales tax went up as well. It can’t be a coincidence that some of these things are happening throughout our relationship. She’s raising all the Kansas taxes! I see all these farmers around me with giant subsidies, some of which are to be paid to NOT grow things and I used to think a lot of them were male. Must have had sex changes.

I hate when fem nazis blame all the problems on men…therefore as a man I should make sure I blame all the problems on women! That totally makes sense.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

The only thing worse than a fem nazi who thinks we need to change manhole covers to person whole covers is ridiculous people who try and pretend our society is filled with all these female privileges as if a man can’t make it in 2014 because society is so setup for females.
[/quote]

Certain specific gripes aside, the men’s rights movement–the real idiots who seem never to believe that a man has hit or raped a woman, who see themselves as the perpetual victims, who see a feminist conspiracy when their son is suspended for biting another kid in school–is just another (and probably the most egregious) manifestation of the utter pussification of the American male.

It’s so much easier to tell yourself that your own inadequacies–sexual, social, financial, familial–are rooted in oppression than it is to look your failure in the eyes and claim it as your own. Related to this is an increasing bitterness I’v noted among people whom I used to hang out with in high school. “Women are tramps, don’t trust a single one” really means, “I am desperate and unappealing and sexually inadequate, so I date low-class hoodrats and then I’m shocked when they go out and get themselves some strange.”[/quote]

I agree with some of these views. I have areas of my life that I work to improve on. I enjoy trying to improve myself in all areas of my life and feel that gives me the best possible route to be the best me I can be.

Generalizing always leads to poor conclusions. That’s why i tried asking orion who “they” was. Its not the women in my family. Its not my fiance. We got weird ass fem crazy people and apparently we have woe is me women get all the breaks and advantages “men.” I originally asked why we had a war because I don’t think anyone disagrees with some things I’ve said. Instead people just made up people to argue against which is why I was wondering why everyone was quoting me like I was in the man basher brigade. I’m not in that club nor am I in the oh man women get everything club either.

I think both camps are the exact same whininess and sense of entitlement. Like smh said, people wanting someone to blame for their own inadequacies [/quote]

“They” are most women in todays world because even though they might not push for special treatment they happily accept it.

And no "I think both camps are the exact same whininess and sense of entitlement " is BS as good as that might make you feel .

Women can be all strong and independent as much as they want, as long as I get to keep my money.

Get that?

They leech off of me, not the other way around. [/quote]

It makes sense to hate women for taxation. I remember when people complained about taxes one hundred years ago and it was all because of women then as well. Nothing logically wrong with being mad at an entire sex over taxes because only one sex benefits from them.

Is it safe to assume when I asked you for sources for some of your stats that they were either made up or completely faulty at best?

When someone reasons with me and proves me wrong, I change my stance. So prove me wrong. I don’t think I’m the one coming off close minded on this issue.

You also sound like a coworker of mine who has had two divorces. Women take all my money type stuff from him all the time. Do you have some context for why one should hate vaginas as you seem to hate?[/quote]

Cant be bothered right now, but I do not make stuff up, period.

In the age of the Google it is entirely pointless. [/quote]

Then I look forward to reading your sources, though I’m sure it’s based on some “the insanely wealthy pay a lot of taxes and the insanely wealthy are almost all males, therefore women are leeches” logic. [/quote]

No its more based on men pay 75% of the income tax and social security is a gender wealth redistributistion boondogle too because women need doctors more often and live longer which in no way shape or form ups their payroll taxes?

Or that Obamacare forbids to charge women more even though they use more healthcare, which puts the burden on men too?

Or that women make 80% of all decsions when it comes to consumption, which is why advertising targets them, even though they do not actually make the money?

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[quote]orion wrote:

No its more based on men pay 75% of the income tax and social security is a gender wealth redistributistion boondogle too because women need doctors more often and live longer which in no way shape or form ups their payroll taxes?

Or that Obamacare forbids to charge women more even though they use more healthcare, which puts the burden on men too?

Or that women make 80% of all decsions when it comes to consumption, which is why advertising targets them, even though they do not actually make the money?

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See your middle fact is something I can agree with, but you sound like a woman hating little bitch with almost everything else you point out. When’s the last time you got laid? Are you on that big of a cool spell? I’d have no problem with women paying more for health care, in fact that to me IS a sign of equality. Just like I should pay more as a man if I smoke than if I don’t. It’s all risk and cost.

You realize that I’m having a hard time consolidating your women are leeches standpoint when you make points about the income tax which is probably a feather in the cap for anyone who wants to talk about an under-represented system. See the vast majority of those people who are making the most income in this country ARE male, therefore it’s pretty crappy logic to use that as a “well women have all the privileges” and they don’t even pay as much income tax as men (who…uhmm, hold by large quantity all the highest income producing jobs).

Not to mention when you say stuff like “they” (which again makes you sound fearful or spiteful against those with my favorite parts) don’t make the income you sound like you’ve got all these millions of women laughing all the way to the bank with your tax dollars. Which surely some are, but you don’t really get mad at the fact that I could easily point out how much more of the national debt is because of the sex group I happen to be a part of?

Not to mention (again) the VAST majority of all your taxation rules at almost any level were created by men considering men still easily dominate the levels of government in terms of numbers. Plus in terms of sheer corruption simply from the number of power positions held men are probably responsible for more government waste than women by any sort of metric you’d want to look at.

But hey, I’m from America and nothing is more American than pointing the finger and blame at everyone else.

It’s odd that in a thread with a brilliant feminist defense of masculine virtues we find men who are exactly the reason for so many unreasonable feminist positions.

Hate on…but if you ever go out to a bar and try to pick up a woman you probably don’t want to open with the “yeah, I know you women are all leeches taking all our tax dollars and ruining America, but do you want to go home with me?”

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[quote]orion wrote:

…Which is H’s point. What is it about men that forces them to pay so much income tax? Do they mark “male” on some form which then kicks them up into a higher bracket? No. They pay more income tax because they make more money. If you have a problem with this, then you have a problem with the tax structure and mathematics itself.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

  1. So to say their views are because of their own faults is not always accurate. It reminds of a game or angle some shady women play. They will be cheating or scheming, and when the man comes to them with their concerns about things or actions, the woman plays this same tactic and says it’s the man’s own insecurities that are causing him to feel this way.
    [/quote]

As if men don’t do this? Don’t men cheat as or more often than women? Who’s generalizing here?

And why is it that whining and victim-card carrying are so offensive to this board in every respect but this one? [This is aimed at the whole tone of the discussion, not you.]

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[quote]H factor wrote:
is ridiculous people who try and pretend our society is filled with all these female privileges as if a man can’t make it in 2014 because society is so setup for females.

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I don’t think the reverse is true either.

And depending on one’s life perspective, it never was (the reverse) true.

All I’m trying to say is, even when women were “expected” to stay home and raise the family, run the house, and support her husbands earning potential, she still had the more fulfilling role out of the two.

I could make all the money in the world, but sitting down and listening to my 2 year old sing along with Bruno Mars is exponentially more fulfilling than transferring a couple K into my savings and frogging off to work 6 days a week.

Not everyone has the mentality to be a stay at home parent, my wife is one of them. She could be, but she isn’t wired to do it. However, and this is a very strong and independent women we are talking about, she works part-time, and is the first to sacrifice her career for our family and my own. We celebrate this, and I see her as irreplaceable pin that the rest of us cogs spin around.

What she does is more important than the audit I’m working on now.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
is ridiculous people who try and pretend our society is filled with all these female privileges as if a man can’t make it in 2014 because society is so setup for females.

[/quote]

I don’t think the reverse is true either.

And depending on one’s life perspective, it never was (the reverse) true.

All I’m trying to say is, even when women were “expected” to stay home and raise the family, run the house, and support her husbands earning potential, she still had the more fulfilling role out of the two.

I could make all the money in the world, but sitting down and listening to my 2 year old sing along with Bruno Mars is exponentially more fulfilling than transferring a couple K into my savings and frogging off to work 6 days a week.

Not everyone has the mentality to be a stay at home parent, my wife is one of them. She could be, but she isn’t wired to do it. However, and this is a very strong and independent women we are talking about, she works part-time, and is the first to sacrifice her career for our family and my own. We celebrate this, and I see her as irreplaceable pin that the rest of us cogs spin around.

What she does is more important than the audit I’m working on now. [/quote]

I agree on the fulfilling part wholeheartedly. If my future wife wants to stay home and raise our future children I will be perfectly fine with it. However she SHOULD have the right to do whatever she damn well pleases as long as she can still fulfill her duties as a mother. Which she will be able to do.

Like I said I originally said why a war since the stuff I was talking about seems so common sense. Then we get some “men” in here who seem to WANT a war to go on because they are crying about things that some women do. It just doesn’t make much sense to me beans.

You’re exactly right about who is doing the more important job though. I don’t understand where the women are leeches mentality comes from. My fiance hasn’t had a shred of direct taxpayer support in her life and we will never get any as long as I have my way. The idea that we would call women on the whole leeches is disgusting. I can point to a huge amount of men in my area who are on all sorts of subsidies.

This “us” vs. “them” mentality is detrimental for both sides. And like I said, I don’t have a side. I think it’s pointless.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
You’re exactly right about who is doing the more important job though. [/quote]

And at some point along the way, we lost sight of this. We took it for granted I guess. And that monumental fuckup on our part (society) really screwed us.

Not celebrating the parent that focuses on the children(whether it be the mother or father, but it is typically the mother) and not celebrating the family structure (two parents) really has hurt us as a society. Most crime stats show this.

I don’t know if us not having proper perspective about the role of a mother who devotes her career to the family brought on the whole “feminist” movement or if the movement further destroyed our perspective.

All I do know is we aren’t heading in a good direction with out current outlook. (Or rather, aren’t in a good place with our current situation.)

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[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

…Which is H’s point. What is it about men that forces them to pay so much income tax? Do they mark “male” on some form which then kicks them up into a higher bracket? No. They pay more income tax because they make more money. If you have a problem with this, then you have a problem with the tax structure and mathematics itself.[/quote]

Its nothing about men that forces them to pay more.

It is women who a) fuck upwards even in socialist Sweden and b) progressive tax structures they voted in.

Its all oh so egalitarian, expect of course, it magically is not.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

No its more based on men pay 75% of the income tax and social security is a gender wealth redistributistion boondogle too because women need doctors more often and live longer which in no way shape or form ups their payroll taxes?

Or that Obamacare forbids to charge women more even though they use more healthcare, which puts the burden on men too?

Or that women make 80% of all decsions when it comes to consumption, which is why advertising targets them, even though they do not actually make the money?

[/quote]

See your middle fact is something I can agree with, but you sound like a woman hating little bitch with almost everything else you point out. When’s the last time you got laid? Are you on that big of a cool spell? I’d have no problem with women paying more for health care, in fact that to me IS a sign of equality. Just like I should pay more as a man if I smoke than if I don’t. It’s all risk and cost.

You realize that I’m having a hard time consolidating your women are leeches standpoint when you make points about the income tax which is probably a feather in the cap for anyone who wants to talk about an under-represented system. See the vast majority of those people who are making the most income in this country ARE male, therefore it’s pretty crappy logic to use that as a “well women have all the privileges” and they don’t even pay as much income tax as men (who…uhmm, hold by large quantity all the highest income producing jobs).

Not to mention when you say stuff like “they” (which again makes you sound fearful or spiteful against those with my favorite parts) don’t make the income you sound like you’ve got all these millions of women laughing all the way to the bank with your tax dollars. Which surely some are, but you don’t really get mad at the fact that I could easily point out how much more of the national debt is because of the sex group I happen to be a part of?

Not to mention (again) the VAST majority of all your taxation rules at almost any level were created by men considering men still easily dominate the levels of government in terms of numbers. Plus in terms of sheer corruption simply from the number of power positions held men are probably responsible for more government waste than women by any sort of metric you’d want to look at.

But hey, I’m from America and nothing is more American than pointing the finger and blame at everyone else.

It’s odd that in a thread with a brilliant feminist defense of masculine virtues we find men who are exactly the reason for so many unreasonable feminist positions.

Hate on…but if you ever go out to a bar and try to pick up a woman you probably don’t want to open with the “yeah, I know you women are all leeches taking all our tax dollars and ruining America, but do you want to go home with me?” [/quote]

By paragraph:

Shaming tactics, fuck you pussy pedestalizer. Sure, I should pay for pussy because IT EXISTS…

Yeah, men make more, because they work harder, they innovate, they take risks… So? This means I need to support women I do not even know?

Dont care, want to keep my money, BUT as a group, women leech off of men. Identity politics is a game that can be played both ways.

Women are the majority of voters. Those men decide shit if they want to get reelected.

Yes, I am pointing the finger at people who think its perfectly fine to live off my earnings. I am sorry, is that bad manners?

Fuck em.

No, I usually phrase it a tad less polite. And I dont do bars.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

Equal rights, equal expectations, and no fem nazi weirdo stuff or let’s go back to when women didn’t work type lunacy. Pretty much my position and I have no idea why anyone would find it controversial. [/quote]

Because its bullshit.

They want the seats on the boards but not equal access to the jobs that lead to 20:1 disparity when it comes to work related deaths.

They dont want to be part of selective service.

They are perfectly fine with man paying around 75% of taxes which is then redistributed to them.

They dont want to change dicorce laws which actually do benefit women and so further and and so on…

That is not equality, that is privilege.

As far as I am concerned they could yell “White Power!” in my face, that is the level they actually are on.[/quote]

Orion, if you look at the article Beans put up that shows more women choosing the helping professions and people oriented majors which tend to pay less than technical fields, then you look at the article I put up form the WSJ about women choosing to work less hours so they can devote more time to raising kids and running the household - Wouldn’t those two factors alone account for why men are paying more taxes? I believe you agree there are some biological differences in men and women. To be bent out of shape because more women might choose to be a first grade teacher, or choose to stay at home raising kids and take a supporting role to a spouse so they aren’t paying as much in taxes, puts you in the same position as the extreme feminists. Ignoring biology and choice.

As for women not working in professions with higher injuries or work related deaths, see above. Biologically speaking, we have greater ability to interpret emotion, are more verbal, have the reproductive “disadvantage” of bearing the babes, and we’re physically not as strong. Even though I’m strong for my size, my 18-year-old boy could overpower me in about 5 seconds. :slight_smile: If someone’s going to be a commercial fisherman or welder on an oil rig - super dangerous, those jobs are still going to favor the physically strong. There are enough biological differences to see that bear out statistically, even though there are SOME women who are capable of doing those jobs.

I’ll agree with you about men often getting the short end of the stick in divorce, at least when there are kids.

As for selective service, I’ll agree with you there as well. There are many positions in the military that women can do, even if you agree with me that there are problems with women in combat situations, and that women aren’t going to be able to physically keep up if we are talking about who is the strongest and fastest. A few can. We’ve got a fairly technology driven military now, so there’s really no reason women can’t serve in some capacity.

I’ll also agree with you that a lot of the current feminist agenda has to do with female privilege. Privilege in the name of equality. Privilege in the name of diversity. My son is applying to colleges. One of the prestigious private schools just sent out their first round of letters to let kids know who has been chosen to interview for their big scholarships. 6 or 7 of my son’s classmates got the letter. It’s a small sample, but minority women seem to be over represented. In fact, many of the kids who have been invited to interview for the big scholarships have lower grades and test scores than my kid. Of course there are other factors. And you can’t say a thing about that without sounding like a privileged whiner, but we all know that this happens all the time. It’s not a secret. The UC system recently put out a letter talking up how much they’ve brought up enrollments for females and minorities. It’s a big source of pride. The question is, when do people decide that maybe the pendulum has swung too far so we’re now penalizing men. People like Paglia are saying it, but it’s certainly not politically correct to say it.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
… the first to sacrifice her career for our family and my own. We celebrate this, and I see her as irreplaceable pin that the rest of us cogs spin around.

What she does is more important than the audit I’m working on now. [/quote]

I like you, Beans.

Everyone, thanks for your thoughts. Sorry I haven’t had the time to keep up with my own thread. I’ll try to get back to some of your responses over the next few days.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

I’ll also agree with you that a lot of the current feminist agenda has to do with female privilege. Privilege in the name of equality. Privilege in the name of diversity. My son is applying to colleges. One of the prestigious private schools just sent out their first round of letters to let kids know who has been chosen to interview for their big scholarships. 6 or 7 of my son’s classmates got the letter. It’s a small sample, but minority women seem to be over represented. In fact, many of the kids who have been invited to interview for the big scholarships have lower grades and test scores than my kid. Of course there are other factors. And you can’t say a thing about that without sounding like a privileged whiner, but we all know that this happens all the time. It’s not a secret. The UC system recently put out a letter talking up how much they’ve brought up enrollments for females and minorities. It’s a big source of pride. The question is, when do people decide that maybe the pendulum has swung too far so we’re now penalizing men. People like Paglia are saying it, but it’s certainly not politically correct to say it.
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A lot of it in my opinion is the type of language used. I can certainly agree with the pendulum starting to swing too far as you say, but for someone to whine and cry and call women leeches or act as if men can’t be successful in America in 2014 is absolute and undeniable bullshit and makes men sound exactly like the feminists they claim to be so against. I can point to a ton of cases where I don’t like where we are headed in terms of some gender issues, but I’m not going to sit here and cry about being a male in 2014 or act as if women are the reason if I don’t have certain things. To label an entire sex leeches would really piss me off if it was a woman talking about men, but also pisses me off when the shoe is on the other foot.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

Equal rights, equal expectations, and no fem nazi weirdo stuff or let’s go back to when women didn’t work type lunacy. Pretty much my position and I have no idea why anyone would find it controversial. [/quote]

Because its bullshit.

They want the seats on the boards but not equal access to the jobs that lead to 20:1 disparity when it comes to work related deaths.

They dont want to be part of selective service.

They are perfectly fine with man paying around 75% of taxes which is then redistributed to them.

They dont want to change dicorce laws which actually do benefit women and so further and and so on…

That is not equality, that is privilege.

As far as I am concerned they could yell “White Power!” in my face, that is the level they actually are on.[/quote]

Orion, if you look at the article Beans put up that shows more women choosing the helping professions and people oriented majors which tend to pay less than technical fields, then you look at the article I put up form the WSJ about women choosing to work less hours so they can devote more time to raising kids and running the household - Wouldn’t those two factors alone account for why men are paying more taxes? I believe you agree there are some biological differences in men and women. To be bent out of shape because more women might choose to be a first grade teacher, or choose to stay at home raising kids and take a supporting role to a spouse so they aren’t paying as much in taxes, puts you in the same position as the extreme feminists. Ignoring biology and choice.

As for women not working in professions with higher injuries or work related deaths, see above. Biologically speaking, we have greater ability to interpret emotion, are more verbal, have the reproductive “disadvantage” of bearing the babes, and we’re physically not as strong. Even though I’m strong for my size, my 18-year-old boy could overpower me in about 5 seconds. :slight_smile: If someone’s going to be a commercial fisherman or welder on an oil rig - super dangerous, those jobs are still going to favor the physically strong. There are enough biological differences to see that bear out statistically, even though there are SOME women who are capable of doing those jobs.

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No, actually none of these things would explain anything without a progressive tax system, which became necessary because of an ever expanding welfare state which just so happened to evolve after women got the right to vote.

You take a lot of things for granted.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

I’ll also agree with you that a lot of the current feminist agenda has to do with female privilege. Privilege in the name of equality. Privilege in the name of diversity. My son is applying to colleges. One of the prestigious private schools just sent out their first round of letters to let kids know who has been chosen to interview for their big scholarships. 6 or 7 of my son’s classmates got the letter. It’s a small sample, but minority women seem to be over represented. In fact, many of the kids who have been invited to interview for the big scholarships have lower grades and test scores than my kid. Of course there are other factors. And you can’t say a thing about that without sounding like a privileged whiner, but we all know that this happens all the time. It’s not a secret. The UC system recently put out a letter talking up how much they’ve brought up enrollments for females and minorities. It’s a big source of pride. The question is, when do people decide that maybe the pendulum has swung too far so we’re now penalizing men. People like Paglia are saying it, but it’s certainly not politically correct to say it.
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A lot of it in my opinion is the type of language used. I can certainly agree with the pendulum starting to swing too far as you say, but for someone to whine and cry and call women leeches or act as if men can’t be successful in America in 2014 is absolute and undeniable bullshit and makes men sound exactly like the feminists they claim to be so against. I can point to a ton of cases where I don’t like where we are headed in terms of some gender issues, but I’m not going to sit here and cry about being a male in 2014 or act as if women are the reason if I don’t have certain things. To label an entire sex leeches would really piss me off if it was a woman talking about men, but also pisses me off when the shoe is on the other foot.

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But I am a whiny douche.

I actually point out when people take advantage of me at gunpoint.

Its bad, I know, but I am how nature or God made me and who are you to want to force me in a cisgendered heteronormative role you insensitive prick?

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[quote]orion wrote:

No, actually none of these things would explain anything without a progressive tax system, which became necessary because of an ever expanding welfare state which just so happened to evolve after women got the right to vote.

You take a lot of things for granted. [/quote]

I don’t think the ever expanding welfare state is the direct result of women voting, lol.

It MAY be a contributing factor, but I would venture to guess there are literally hundreds of more direct causes. Namely insider contracts & real estate deals, and the buying of generations of votes so those in a certain party can keep getting rich when elected off more insider deals.

(Not that the other party doesn’t get rich off insider deals…)

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
… the first to sacrifice her career for our family and my own. We celebrate this, and I see her as irreplaceable pin that the rest of us cogs spin around.

What she does is more important than the audit I’m working on now. [/quote]

I like you, Beans.

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Thanks.

I will say though that having a daughter will certainly change your viewpoint on a lot of things. Socially I’ve always seen women the same as I do, but didn’t notice how other people tend to see them until I had her. (Don’t even get me started on sex, lol.)

Best example I can come up with is my mother-in-law put a picture of my daughter on facebook, and I counted at least 3 or 4 comments about “how she could grow up to be a model.” I politely pointed out that I was thinking SCOTUS judge or CEO, but I supposed modeling could be a fall back plan. And these comments are from women.

It is annoying as hell to see my little girl sold that bill of goods, like her first and foremost asset is her looks. (She looks just like her mother, so is likely to be beautiful, which is another daily struggle I have.) But she is also likely to be more intelligent than both my wife and I… How about she does something with that?

/rant

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

No, actually none of these things would explain anything without a progressive tax system, which became necessary because of an ever expanding welfare state which just so happened to evolve after women got the right to vote.

You take a lot of things for granted. [/quote]

I don’t think the ever expanding welfare state is the direct result of women voting, lol.

It MAY be a contributing factor, but I would venture to guess there are literally hundreds of more direct causes. Namely insider contracts & real estate deals, and the buying of generations of votes so those in a certain party can keep getting rich when elected off more insider deals.

(Not that the other party doesn’t get rich off insider deals…)[/quote]

Well, its a complex issue.

While the correlation is strong, there was of course ever increasing automatization, the whole onslaught of liberalism in the broadest sense, the breakdown of extended families and whatnot.

Alas, I know what the result just so happens to look like, and I know when the results just so happens to favor women they go mum and when it does not they go apeshit.

Women are not like men, they dont care if it makes sense as a well thought out system, the care whether they profit.

For good biological reasons, but they are very much in tune with a system where everyone tries to live on the expense of everyone else.