[quote]countingbeans wrote:
It is annoying as hell to see my little girl sold that bill of goods, like her first and foremost asset is her looks.
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It is.
Thats neither good nor bad, it just is.
Or would you rather have her be ugly?
Would you feel the same if you had a less than attractive son who nevertheless was a go getter?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
It is annoying as hell to see my little girl sold that bill of goods, like her first and foremost asset is her looks.
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It is.
Thats neither good nor bad, it just is.
Or would you rather have her be ugly?[/quote]
absolutely not. Attractive people have a (at least slightly) easier time of it, and likely always will. Generally speaking.
My issue isn’t as much with people recognizing beautiful, or thinking anyone is attractive. My issue is, that their first thought is “hey she is pretty, a good compliment is she could be a model.”
While it will be nice for her self esteem for people to tell her she is attractive, it won’t help her get an A in a class she finds difficult.
I get that it is hard to tell if someone is smart from a picture, so I’d rather the comments just be “what a cutie”, and save the career projection for a more personal interaction.
Maybe I’m just sensitive.
I will answer this question, but I’m not sure what you mean here. Please re-word it. I’m slow today.
[quote]orion wrote:
But I am a whiny douche.
I actually point out when people take advantage of me at gunpoint.
Its bad, I know, but I am how nature or God made me and who are you to want to force me in a cisgendered heteronormative role you insensitive prick?[/quote]
We can agree on the whiney douche part, but you’re acting as if men don’t take plenty of advantage of you as well.
Being pissed off about taxation because of women doesn’t make any sense. Like absolutely none at all. If you want to be pissed off about taxation why not be pissed at both sexes? You can’t come up with an insane amount of taxpayer waste from males?
I don’t want to force you to be anyway, but when you make very poor logical points I’m going to point them out. And so far you’ve got that going in spades.
However, like I said, your mind is apparently made up and reasoning with you is fruitless. Although lol at blaming the politicians who are mostly male on the fact that women vote at a higher rate. Does a problem exist that we can’t solely blame on females in your world?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I will answer this question, but I’m not sure what you mean here. Please re-word it. I’m slow today. [/quote]
Well, would you feel the same way about your sons attractiveness, or rather, handsomeness, if you knew him to be a bit of a hell raiser?
What I am getting at is, female prettyness matters, male handsomeness, not so much.
You will notice that I am dancing around the word “attractiveness” here because its not the same as being purdy.
For men, for women it is.
Hence, praise the gods that she is.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
But I am a whiny douche.
I actually point out when people take advantage of me at gunpoint.
Its bad, I know, but I am how nature or God made me and who are you to want to force me in a cisgendered heteronormative role you insensitive prick?[/quote]
We can agree on the whiney douche part, but you’re acting as if men don’t take plenty of advantage of you as well.
Being pissed off about taxation because of women doesn’t make any sense. Like absolutely none at all. If you want to be pissed off about taxation why not be pissed at both sexes? You can’t come up with an insane amount of taxpayer waste from males?
I don’t want to force you to be anyway, but when you make very poor logical points I’m going to point them out. And so far you’ve got that going in spades.
However, like I said, your mind is apparently made up and reasoning with you is fruitless. Although lol at blaming the politicians who are mostly male on the fact that women vote at a higher rate. Does a problem exist that we can’t solely blame on females in your world? [/quote]
Go lookee at statistics…
Have fun will doing so, because while Austria and Germany have taxes listed by gender I had a surprisingly hard time getting the same date from the IRS.
Well, maybe I just dont know where to look.
And yes, my mind is very much made up when it comes to me keeping my money.
I really, really, do want to keep it.
Mebbe some men are sucking of the government teat too, I dont like them that much either, even though they are a minority when it comes to teat leechers.
Did I mention that I welcome strongindependentwomen™ as long as I get to keep my money?
Me dineros?
Moi pesetas?
[quote]orion wrote:
What I am getting at is, female prettyness matters, male handsomeness, not so much.
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You are obviously not handsome if you believe that.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
What I am getting at is, female prettyness matters, male handsomeness, not so much.
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You are obviously not handsome if you believe that. [/quote]
I have been purdy, I have been not so purdy, got laid a lot more while being not so purdy but being very go getterish, so what can I say.
Admittedly, having money and being purdy, excuse me, very distinguished with grey temples and all is like God mode, but still, looks done matter too much, especially if you hit on very purdy women.
I guess I need to go find the statistics since you can’t?
Nah, that’s ok. It’s not my job to prove you wrong. Although I’d say I’m 98% certain you aren’t too confident in half the things you have statistics for since I’m 100% certain you haven’t proven any of them yet despite telling me how easy it is to google.
Lol “mebbe some men are sucking off the government teat” as if it’s a question you don’t know the answer to. That may be the most unintentionally hilarious thing ever posted.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
What I am getting at is, female prettyness matters, male handsomeness, not so much.
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You are obviously not handsome if you believe that. [/quote]
I have been purdy, I have been not so purdy, got laid a lot more while being not so purdy but being very go getterish, so what can I say.
Admittedly, having money and being purdy, excuse me, very distinguished with grey temples and all is like God mode, but still, looks done matter too much, especially if you hit on very purdy women. [/quote]
When you’re good looking they come to you.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I will answer this question, but I’m not sure what you mean here. Please re-word it. I’m slow today. [/quote]
Well, would you feel the same way about your sons attractiveness, or rather, handsomeness, if you knew him to be a bit of a hell raiser?
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No, because any advantage he gets for his looks is almost secondary. People expect him to be a business man, fireman, master plumber.
It is less about people actually noting the attractiveness, and more about the fact that saying she could be a model is supposed to be a complement.
It is like this. Had the woman on facebook said: “she is going to be a heartbreaker,” or “daddy better watch out, the boys will be after her” or some other nonsense, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. What got me is the perception that she is the sum of her looks and that is what is going to put food on her table.
[quote]H factor wrote:
I guess I need to go find the statistics since you can’t?
Nah, that’s ok. It’s not my job to prove you wrong. Although I’d say I’m 98% certain you aren’t too confident in half the things you have statistics for since I’m 100% certain you haven’t proven any of them yet despite telling me how easy it is to google.
Lol “mebbe some men are sucking off the government teat” as if it’s a question you don’t know the answer to. That may be the most unintentionally hilarious thing ever posted.
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Jajajajajaj…
I have done my homework, I could not get it from the IRS and they have lots of statistics…
Mmmmhh…
I could get it from a few Western nations though…
Believe what you want…
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
What I am getting at is, female prettyness matters, male handsomeness, not so much.
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You are obviously not handsome if you believe that. [/quote]
I have been purdy, I have been not so purdy, got laid a lot more while being not so purdy but being very go getterish, so what can I say.
Admittedly, having money and being purdy, excuse me, very distinguished with grey temples and all is like God mode, but still, looks done matter too much, especially if you hit on very purdy women. [/quote]
When you’re good looking they come to you. [/quote]
That is true!
And I fucked it up every single time because I did not know what to do!
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I will answer this question, but I’m not sure what you mean here. Please re-word it. I’m slow today. [/quote]
Well, would you feel the same way about your sons attractiveness, or rather, handsomeness, if you knew him to be a bit of a hell raiser?
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No, because any advantage he gets for his looks is almost secondary. People expect him to be a business man, fireman, master plumber.
It is less about people actually noting the attractiveness, and more about the fact that saying she could be a model is supposed to be a complement.
It is like this. Had the woman on facebook said: “she is going to be a heartbreaker,” or “daddy better watch out, the boys will be after her” or some other nonsense, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. What got me is the perception that she is the sum of her looks and that is what is going to put food on her table. [/quote]
Well, while it actually might I would not want to raise a whore either so I get where you are coming from.
The attractive women with outstanding character I knew got it from their upringing.
Once they hit 18, well 15 really, but I am being PC here, they could develop a personality, but they no longer have to.
Of course, youth and beauty fades and then they would need it, alas…
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
I guess I need to go find the statistics since you can’t?
Nah, that’s ok. It’s not my job to prove you wrong. Although I’d say I’m 98% certain you aren’t too confident in half the things you have statistics for since I’m 100% certain you haven’t proven any of them yet despite telling me how easy it is to google.
Lol “mebbe some men are sucking off the government teat” as if it’s a question you don’t know the answer to. That may be the most unintentionally hilarious thing ever posted.
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Jajajajajaj…
I have done my homework, I could not get it from the IRS and they have lots of statistics…
Mmmmhh…
I could get it from a few Western nations though…
Believe what you want…[/quote]
I am forced to believe what I want because you can’t show me via logic and reason where you are correct.
You’ve “done your homework” you just can’t show anyone your work therefore it is worthless and we are left with just taking your word you haven’t made any mistakes.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
No, actually none of these things would explain anything without a progressive tax system, which became necessary because of an ever expanding welfare state which just so happened to evolve after women got the right to vote…
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I do think there is merit in this. The evidence is very strong.
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Did Womenâ??s Suffrage Change the Size and Scope of Government?
[quote]orion wrote:
Women are not like men, they dont care if it makes sense as a well thought out system, the care whether they profit.
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What is this? A generalization based upon your own observations? Personal contempt for the women who’ve wandered through your life, writ to include more than half the world population? Poll data? Scientific fact?
Because when you say that women are not like men, and then you follow that up by saying that women “don’t care if it makes sense as a well thought-out system,” I take it to mean that you’re implying that men do care if it makes sense as a well thought-out system.
Now when you look back over history–much more than 99 percent of history being the story of men and the systems they drew up–do you come away with the conclusion that men did a great job thinking things out? How did male political domination treat the 20th century? How is it treating the Middle East?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Equal rights, equal expectations, and no fem nazi weirdo stuff or let’s go back to when women didn’t work type lunacy. Pretty much my position and I have no idea why anyone would find it controversial. [/quote]
Because its bullshit.
They want the seats on the boards but not equal access to the jobs that lead to 20:1 disparity when it comes to work related deaths.
They dont want to be part of selective service.
They are perfectly fine with man paying around 75% of taxes which is then redistributed to them.
They dont want to change dicorce laws which actually do benefit women and so further and and so on…
That is not equality, that is privilege.
As far as I am concerned they could yell “White Power!” in my face, that is the level they actually are on.[/quote]
Orion, if you look at the article Beans put up that shows more women choosing the helping professions and people oriented majors which tend to pay less than technical fields, then you look at the article I put up form the WSJ about women choosing to work less hours so they can devote more time to raising kids and running the household - Wouldn’t those two factors alone account for why men are paying more taxes? I believe you agree there are some biological differences in men and women. To be bent out of shape because more women might choose to be a first grade teacher, or choose to stay at home raising kids and take a supporting role to a spouse so they aren’t paying as much in taxes, puts you in the same position as the extreme feminists. Ignoring biology and choice.
As for women not working in professions with higher injuries or work related deaths, see above. Biologically speaking, we have greater ability to interpret emotion, are more verbal, have the reproductive “disadvantage” of bearing the babes, and we’re physically not as strong. Even though I’m strong for my size, my 18-year-old boy could overpower me in about 5 seconds. 
If someone’s going to be a commercial fisherman or welder on an oil rig - super dangerous, those jobs are still going to favor the physically strong. There are enough biological differences to see that bear out statistically, even though there are SOME women who are capable of doing those jobs.
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No, actually none of these things would explain anything without a progressive tax system, which became necessary because of an ever expanding welfare state which just so happened to evolve after women got the right to vote.
You take a lot of things for granted. [/quote]
You may be right, in that the top 1 percent of tax payers are paying something around 35% of the taxes in the US. I’d assume they are predominantly men, or at least men who file a joint tax return with their spouse. Is that what you mean about me “taking a lot of things for granted”?
But I wonder what the numbers would look like if you went down and even looked at the top 10 percent of taxpayers, in terms of how many of those households have a family like I described.
It’s not a scientific study, but my neighborhood is full of those families. Like Bean’s family where his wife is working part-time while her daughter is young, or where there are college educated women who are working part-time or opting out for a few years to raise kids. I know A LOT of women who have chosen to have career take a backseat so they could be wives and mothers, and who choose careers that make far less money than their spouse. I think it’s pretty common for both partners to be happy about it. These are people filing joint tax returns.
And families tend to produce future taxpayers. Well, OK families and welfare moms, Orion. 
There’s a chart in this article if you scroll through it a bit, if you are curious about who is paying most of the taxes, and where you fall.
http://www.kiplinger.com/article/taxes/T054-C000-S001-where-do-you-rank-as-a-taxpayer.html
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Equal rights, equal expectations, and no fem nazi weirdo stuff or let’s go back to when women didn’t work type lunacy. Pretty much my position and I have no idea why anyone would find it controversial. [/quote]
Because its bullshit.
They want the seats on the boards but not equal access to the jobs that lead to 20:1 disparity when it comes to work related deaths.
They dont want to be part of selective service.
They are perfectly fine with man paying around 75% of taxes which is then redistributed to them.
They dont want to change dicorce laws which actually do benefit women and so further and and so on…
That is not equality, that is privilege.
As far as I am concerned they could yell “White Power!” in my face, that is the level they actually are on.[/quote]
Orion, if you look at the article Beans put up that shows more women choosing the helping professions and people oriented majors which tend to pay less than technical fields, then you look at the article I put up form the WSJ about women choosing to work less hours so they can devote more time to raising kids and running the household - Wouldn’t those two factors alone account for why men are paying more taxes? I believe you agree there are some biological differences in men and women. To be bent out of shape because more women might choose to be a first grade teacher, or choose to stay at home raising kids and take a supporting role to a spouse so they aren’t paying as much in taxes, puts you in the same position as the extreme feminists. Ignoring biology and choice.
As for women not working in professions with higher injuries or work related deaths, see above. Biologically speaking, we have greater ability to interpret emotion, are more verbal, have the reproductive “disadvantage” of bearing the babes, and we’re physically not as strong. Even though I’m strong for my size, my 18-year-old boy could overpower me in about 5 seconds. If someone’s going to be a commercial fisherman or welder on an oil rig - super dangerous, those jobs are still going to favor the physically strong. There are enough biological differences to see that bear out statistically, even though there are SOME women who are capable of doing those jobs.
I’ll agree with you about men often getting the short end of the stick in divorce, at least when there are kids.
As for selective service, I’ll agree with you there as well. There are many positions in the military that women can do, even if you agree with me that there are problems with women in combat situations, and that women aren’t going to be able to physically keep up if we are talking about who is the strongest and fastest. A few can. We’ve got a fairly technology driven military now, so there’s really no reason women can’t serve in some capacity.
I’ll also agree with you that a lot of the current feminist agenda has to do with female privilege. Privilege in the name of equality. Privilege in the name of diversity. My son is applying to colleges. One of the prestigious private schools just sent out their first round of letters to let kids know who has been chosen to interview for their big scholarships. 6 or 7 of my son’s classmates got the letter. It’s a small sample, but minority women seem to be over represented. In fact, many of the kids who have been invited to interview for the big scholarships have lower grades and test scores than my kid. Of course there are other factors. And you can’t say a thing about that without sounding like a privileged whiner, but we all know that this happens all the time. It’s not a secret. The UC system recently put out a letter talking up how much they’ve brought up enrollments for females and minorities. It’s a big source of pride. The question is, when do people decide that maybe the pendulum has swung too far so we’re now penalizing men. People like Paglia are saying it, but it’s certainly not politically correct to say it.
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This is my exact same view on the topic. I think this is fact.
Soooo…what do we do about it? This is something that needs to be fixed. Like now