Its quite the attention grabbing title to this “news” story:
“The only thing doctors could deduce”
i.e. they didn’t have a clue and this was something easy to blame it on. Never mind every cheeseburger the guy had eaten in his life.
They should have at least shared more about what his hormone levels were. We all know normal can be a crazy wide range, and who knows if they were even talking about Free T being normal or just total
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So this guy with the goverment job living a sedentary lifestyle and obesity had everything to do with this guys heart attack, instead he blames TRT for his medical problems, unreal!
The media is only interested in grabbing headlines on mostly negative stories to fuel outrage, this is how FaceBook and social media is engineered, like or unlike, you either hate it or love it.
On another note this guy was never properly elevated by this clinic, risk factors were never considered, like his years spent with obesity and how his lifestyle could possible contribute to further health problems.
I wonder what this guys TRT protocol looked like, probably a massive dosage given once weekly which was more than his heart could handle. I see a lot of guys who are unable to handle large weekly dosages who get all types of palpitations and elevated blood pressure.
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Money grab.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Did it play a role… probably…
I haven’t read the case report, however some are clearly hypersensitive in relation to response towards AAS (myself included)
See this quote, taken from a new thread within the Pharma section, a clear outlier, but a sobering reality for many of us who use AAS that we ARE rolling the genetic dice… The same can be said for even mere TRT (and most medications), while not as dangerous as AAS, there’s clearly risk involved for those predisposed to medical ailment (particularly cardiovascular disease), whether OP has CVD or a more benign issue such as electrolyte imbalance, anaemia (iron deficiency being most common), hyperthyroidism etc is unknown, and given he isn’t willing to go to the doctor, I guess we will find out if he ceases to be active on the site… which to me would infer sudden cardiac death and/or some other serious complication
For the average Joe, TRT won’t be a problem, for the obese, sedentary individual with a familial history of cardiovascular disease… yes, TRT will potentially induce issues and/or shorten lifespan
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So lets ostracize an entire treatment course because look “TESTOSTERONE BAD!” Lets also take into consideration that the doctors werent quoted as saying the Test caused it, it was “according to Landry”, the patient, who is suing. Do we really think that in 4 weeks a clot formed and interrupted blood flow to the brain of this guy?
If he had undiagnosed haemachomatosis and/or clotting issues then yes, theoretically use of test could’ve brought it on. Many a times when these serious adverse reactions occur it’s due to the drug at stake aggravating an already existing condition that wasn’t properly screened for, in which case the drug is the culprit yeet
However it isn’t valid to declare testosterone equates to health ailment, truth is, they should’ve probably checked his risk factors prior to undergoing TRT. Just as how everyone should have cardiac examination prior to undergoing sports/strenuous physical activity (SCD induced by heart defect/cardiomyopathy), unfortunately this won’t happen
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Stop watching the news. It’s not even news anymore. Just noise. Stop reading articles that say anything like “…here’s why” or “The reason such and such is THIS” or anything baiting you to read. 99.9% of what’s written is garbage.
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How much is a “massive dosage given once weekly”.
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105mg
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Seriously?
No.
Or I sure hope not at least
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hahaha it’d have to be like 700mg/wk for a VERY prolonged period of time (for most that is), unlike the dude I quoted from the above Pharma forum who used a mere 1-1.5G of various substances for 3 cycles supposedly having cardiac problems now (oooorrrrr the problem is unrelated and due to another variable)…
or 2500mg test E given 1x/4wks for 5 years, phat peaks yeet
To give me a stroke in a month I reckon perhaps 20000mg/wk+ would do it for 4 wks
The news did what some of you guys do when a person mentions some sort of issues and they take an AI.
“I was diagnosed with AIDS and I am taking 3mg a week Arimadex”
I am sure someone would say they need to drop the AI immediately and see if their condition clears up.
Good point, people get blood clots for a lot of reasons, TRT is not one of them. Besides, in one month? I know, there are sensitive people, but it typically takes several months on TRT before seeing RBCs elevate.
I’ve seen clinics prescribe 180-300mg weekly and I’ve seen a lot of men have trouble with half this amount injecting weekly. This guy was obese and a large injection usually fails in this instance. We don’t even know if anastrozole was prescribed and how much.
This guy had a stroke very early on and either he had health problems prior or the protocol prescribe was too aggressive. I also heard people say he had normal testosterone, I just about shit myself after hearing that because normal is 301.
No doctors can definitively say whether or not a man is experiencing a testosterone deficiency by just looking at the total and free numbers, they would need to see what’s going on at the cellular level and test the CAG repeat numbers.
If the repeat numbers are long, said guy will need more testosterone versus a guy with short repeat numbers.
The media bitches are thoroughly against testosterone in all forms, especially the natural one. They will look for anything to sensationalize and denigrate it.
A guy once went into a coma after taking two Tylenol. There’s a lot of Tylenol around.
Now E2, on the other hand, is something these idiots can get behind. E2 shots will be mandatory in 15 years… at least if you want your boy to be allowed to attend high school.
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I hope you take this in the spirit intended. I think what you said is almost worse than the news report. It’s irresponsible. You know better, or should.
How do you know that? I bet there is documentation and signed informed consent in the records. We have not seen his blood work, how would we know if he was properly evaluated?
This could be a risk factor if he doesn’t take testosterone. Lives are saved with TRT, guys lose fifty pounds of visceral fat, lipids improve, insulin sensitivity improves. I know this didn’t happen in your case, but you are dealing with multiple comorbidities complicating things.
The “massive” dose you refer to is used by most of the men on TRT. As others have mentioned here, anyone doing TRT is not taking anything close to a “massive” dose. As for his heart, it was a blood clot. Hearts do not handle blood clots, testosterone or not. There is no way to prove test caused his clot. Now, if he was given 1000mg in one shot, OK, but we know this was not likely.
All these guys you “see” are on the internet. The stories seen here are outliers and nothing like the thousands of guys in the real world taking 150-200mg once a week, or even once every two weeks, and doing fine.
Again, snowflakes.
This is simply not true. If eating anything close to healthy, and exercising even a little, obese guys usually do great on TRT with dosages of 200mg once a week. They are ideal patients.
On the other hand, seems as though something was up with the clinic since the feds raided it. Maybe not. I wonder if they were doing any telemedicine. A lot are operating illegally outside of state statutes for telemedicine, such as requiring a face to face consultation prior to prescribing scheduled drugs.
This guy’s case will settle out of court for nuisance money.
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Most of what was said was purely probable, we don’t know enough information only this guy was obese and lived a sedentary lifestyle.