A Bit Of A Problem...

Alright sounds good.

Last question, guys, and thanks for all of your support.

At the end of the week, my mom and I are going on a week vacation to a beach house to get away from the home and stuff, and its the last time she will see me until Christmas break. So I won’t be able to lift or anything for this entire week. Should I continue eating to bulk, or just eat normal and then full-on bulk when I get back?

I am willing to do both, I would just like to do whatever’s the smartest though. Thanks guys.

With as little as you’re eating, you can eat more and gain no weight simply because your metabolism has been shutdown from lack of food. You might be able to gain weight in-season, but it’s gonna take more calories than what you’re getting.

I wasted about 3 years worrying that I wasn’t ripped enough to start bulking, but still too skinny cut.

If you want definition, sack up and eat. Focus on gaining a significant amount of weight, then cut later. But here’s the key (which I wish I knew years ago):
MAINTAIN your new weight for at least a month before cutting, or you’ll just waste that muscle.

[quote]baretta wrote:
Poster: HELP ME! I’m a skinny weakling and I dont know what to do. I weigh 110lbs, but i also want definition.

T-Nation: Why dont you try eating?

Poster: Thanks guys, i would have never though of that.

What has the human species come to when hungry people dont realize food will solve their problem.

Professor X wrote:
I’ve been asking myself that for years.[/quote]

It’s because people fear what they do not know.

How many health “experts” lift heavy weights? Not many, I’d wager. In fact, most of them are parroting the same misconceptions over and over:

[i]“You shouldn’t eat more too much protein, or it will destroy your kidneys.”

“A million crunches a day will give you a six pack.”

“A low fat diet is healthier for you.”

“A low carb diet is healthier for you.”[/i]

With all the criss-crossed information, it’s no wonder that people believe they can eat a few sprigs of parsley and gain weight. Hell, the first thing that most people think when they read about someone’s bulking diet is that it’s a heart attack waiting to happen. They run the other way because it’s so different from the poor information they’ve been fed from birth.

But that’s why there are palces like this forum where people can un-learn and re-learn about nutrition, even if they have to be beaten over the head a few dozen times first. I had to hear the blunt truth before I started to understand it, but it worked.

Have faith. It’s getting through to some of us.

[quote]friedrice683 wrote:

February of last year I was 5’ 10" and 156lbs and thought I was quite flabby, not defined, not skinny, but not fat. So I went on a diet, blah blah blah, a year and a half later, and after anorexia >_< (for about four months or so I only consumed 1000 calories a day), I stand at 5’ 10.5" and 123-125lbs. I feel a lost a lot of fat, but also a lot of muscle, I still am a bit flabby on the chest and ab area. (no 6 pack, no definition in chest). I can’t lose any more weight, that’s just stupid, I want to get a defined look so decided to bulk up.

[/quote]

Man, I was a 6’ tall cross-country runner in high school, and I weighed in at ~145-150 at my lightest. I went down to below 140 once when I was at summer college and wasn’t eating enough, and I looked like a leukemia patient. The fact that I shaved my head for the heat probably had something to do with that as well, but I FELT like a leukemia patient. I performed best at 155.

This cannot be stated too strongly: You will almost certainly perform better, even as a cross-country runner, at a higher bodyweight.

People have already given you enough ‘advice’ about eating. Regarding training: If you have a certain amount of control over your own training, you might want to consider dropping some of your running in favor of cardio exercise done with weights.

No, not kickboxing or step aerobics; kettlebell or dumbbell swings, cleans, snatches and presses, mixed up with running and calisthenics. I promise that you will be surprised by how much cardio stress this puts on you.

And this kind of training is much less likely to burn off muscle than doing long, slow distance training. It’s similar in that regard to running hill sprints and walking down (which is another workout with which you could replace long, slow distance workouts). You could also go to CrossFit’s site (google it) and check out some of their workouts.

The kind of training I’m describing above is what I did when I was ‘converting’ from distance athletics to lifting weights. Give it a try; I found that I ran my mile almost as fast when I was doing this stuff as I had at my fastest in high school, despite cutting out almost all running.

If you do a lot of this sort of training (doing some of your cardio with weights and calisthenics instead of long slow distance, really dialing up the intensity in your exercise circuits) you might be able to gain muscle mass while maintaining or even substantially improving your performance in your sport.

And if you ultimately decide to drop your sport in favor of something ‘heavier,’ you’ll be much better prepared for it than you would be if you had continued to pound the pavement.

Someone said for me to post daily what I ate so here was today.

breakfast
3 packets of regular oatmeal
protein shake

1030am
MRP w/ 2tbsp peanutbutter

lunch @ 11:30
3tbsp or so peanutbutter (was on the run, no bread so just ate it outa the jar)

after-workout @ 3:00
protein shake

4:30
bowl of mac n cheese (wanted roast beef sandwhich, but grandma threw this at me instead)

6:00 dinner
5 chicken drumsticks
3 scallops, 1 shrimp
corn on the cob
lots of summer squash

I dunno how many calories that is. All I know is my protein shakes amounted to 580. Oatmeal was 300, peanutbutter 480, mac n cheese ?? - 300-400?, chicken 500 ?, scallops and shrimp 150, corn on cob 130, and squash like 70.

I would just like to know, is mac and cheese considered “clean” ? Just for future reference, I would like to eat as clean as possible. I’m working my calories up also, I was given advice by my brothers (3 older brothers, 19, 24, 25) all who bench 250+, one who benches 330, all told me when bulking to slowly day by day increase the calories. For desert, I’ll probably stay away from it (icecream and pie) and instead have peanutbutter outa the jar. Comments, anything? Thanks guys.

You need more to eat at lunch dude.

Is it mac an cheese from kraft? then no. Homemade with whole wheat pasta yes.

Look at my blog, I have my new nutririon plan listed there. Maybe it will give you a better feel for what we are trying to tell you to do. If you go along the lines of Protein to Carbs to Fat that I use I suggest you base your diet on 4000 - 5000 calories and not on my 3200, due to the fact you run long distance.

It was homemade mac and cheese, I don’t think wholewheat pasta, just the basic white shells and kites (?). That with cheddar cheese and butter. It was about the size of one ocup I would say, so idk how many calories, carbs, fat, protein it had, again I was planning to have a roast beef sandwhich but was forced with that.

I didn’t have lunch today caus I was goin over a friend’s house, mom was going to get blood work done for her pre-cancer treatment, ect, and just didn’t have any bread.

During vacation should I do some trainforstrength routines every two days in order to keep bulking? Or just take it easy during the week?

Try using this website to figure your food’s calorie content.

It has some prepared meals listed by brand, but there’s quite a variety of generic foods. Just do a search and try to estimate how much of each food you’ve eaten (grams, ounces, cups, etc.). It breaks down each food into its macronutrient amounts if you want those details as well.

[quote]Defender wrote:
baretta wrote:
Poster: HELP ME! I’m a skinny weakling and I dont know what to do. I weigh 110lbs, but i also want definition.

T-Nation: Why dont you try eating?

Poster: Thanks guys, i would have never though of that.

What has the human species come to when hungry people dont realize food will solve their problem.

Professor X wrote:
I’ve been asking myself that for years.

It’s because people fear what they do not know.

How many health “experts” lift heavy weights? Not many, I’d wager. In fact, most of them are parroting the same misconceptions over and over:

[i]“You shouldn’t eat more too much protein, or it will destroy your kidneys.”

“A million crunches a day will give you a six pack.”

“A low fat diet is healthier for you.”

“A low carb diet is healthier for you.”[/i]

With all the criss-crossed information, it’s no wonder that people believe they can eat a few sprigs of parsley and gain weight. Hell, the first thing that most people think when they read about someone’s bulking diet is that it’s a heart attack waiting to happen. They run the other way because it’s so different from the poor information they’ve been fed from birth.

But that’s why there are palces like this forum where people can un-learn and re-learn about nutrition, even if they have to be beaten over the head a few dozen times first. I had to hear the blunt truth before I started to understand it, but it worked.

Have faith. It’s getting through to some of us.[/quote]

Great post

Oh yeah another question?

I don’t want to be HUGE, but ending it all in all within time (however long it takes), I would like to be somewhat “big”. I don’t care about having a 6 pack, just as long as I have flat abs and the overall region is visible. Pecs, ect, what weight should I bulk up to and then cut? (a sensible weight for a 15 year old please) I have gotten a lot of different suggestions so I was just wondering if anyone could give me a guestimate.

Also, here is what I ate today thus far:

Breakfast
3/4 cup of old fashioned oats
2 egg whites

10:30
Grilled chicken salad with balsamic dressing

1:15
8oz salmon steak
cup and half of saffron rice
cup of veggie stir fry

4:15
MRP

6:00
10.25 oz of 90/10 ground beef and small salad

I plan to have a half cup of reduced fat mozarella cheese before bed seeing as how that’s the only casein protein in the house as of right now. Today was a rest day too

Your breakfast seems kinda small to me. That’s not even 15 g of protein. You need a lot of food first thing in the morning to get your fire stoked and shake yourself out of the catabolic state from which you just awoke.

If you bulk correctly, that is you add an acceptable amount of fat with the muscle, you’ll find that you’re not going to get a huge gut. The added muscle will give the fat a greater surface area to cover, so even with more fat you will probably look leaner.

Use the mirror to gauge your progress instead of the scale. Just go until you are comfortable with your size.

Alright, I’ve had big problems with scales before (at times they will rule my life and how I eat), so my mom threw it out. Should I just retain from weighing myself during my bulk and just go by the mirror?

The only problem is I still have one sympton of anorexia, fear of getting fat, so if I weigh myself weekly and see it go up 2-3lbs a week (hypothetically speaking), I will probably stop bulking in fear I am getting pure fat. For instance, to combat this, my mom threw out the scale, as I have said, and I plan to just STAY THE **** AWAY FROM IT, until I feel I am ready for the results…hopefully far far far from now.

What if I decide at 170lbs that I want to cut and see what the muscle looks like? Good idea or not? Also is it possible to “get big” in one bulking and one cutting phase, or no?

It’s hard to give you anything like real advice, because it’s difficult to know how you will take it. However, getting big will take some time.

Because you are very thin now, you might think you are getting big when in reality you are approaching average. Your condition means that your “vision” is skewed and difficult to trust.

We don’t get awards for being lean. Being way under weight or way over weight, as loose as that definition is, is unhealthy. Be healthy… that is a large range and it will be easy to do, especially if you can develop realistic judgment or perhaps rely on the judgment of your professional help.

Finally, stop worrying too much about specifics and just work towards better. There is no magic formula, strategy or goal that will make things better in some amazingly quick way. Hard work in the gym, plenty of healthy food and lots of rest will do the trick.

I just think you are worrying too much about small things.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I just think you are worrying too much about small things.[/quote]

Agreed. The fear of fat is nothing more than a mental block that needs to be overcome. I look at it this way: if a person has the mental fortitude and stick-to-it-iveness to eat enough food and lift enough weight needed for a bulk, then that person can easily cut the fat later if need be.

I weighed myself probably two weeks into by bulk and haven’t stepped foot on the scale since (now four weeks into the bulk). I like the progress I’m making in the mirror, and my weights are increasing. That’s all the reassurance I need that what I’m doing is working.

One of the things that concerns me is that you are counting what you eat. It also concerns me that you parents and coach aren’t looking at you and thinking something is wrong. You are young and active.

You need energy to run cross country, and you need energy to build muscle. You need to eat everything in sight. Eat clean, fine, but eat until you are full. Repeat in 4 hours, and every 4 hours until you go to bed. In the morning, repeat this.

Keep doing it until you get above 150. There is no reason in the world you shouldn’t be eating 4,000 calories a day. You have to eat to run, you have to eat to grow. Are you seeing a pattern in this thread?

Yeah I get it. I’m getting so into this, I think my Christmas List is going to be supplements >_>

Whey Protein (a whole **** load)
Greens+
Spike

XD That’s all I care about lately is just becoming as healthy as possible, and I understand in order to do that, I need to put on some ******* weight.

Thanks guys.

[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
Yeah I get it. I’m getting so into this, I think my Christmas List is going to be supplements >_>

Whey Protein (a whole **** load)
Greens+
Spike

XD That’s all I care about lately is just becoming as healthy as possible, and I understand in order to do that, I need to put on some ******* weight.

Thanks guys. [/quote]

DON’T YOU DARE USE SPIKE.

You don’t need an energy supplement, there is a reason it says not for under 18.

You don’t even have your eatting nailed down yet. Work on that first. Greens+, Whey Protein go for it, hell get some flax seed oil and fish oil supplements too (real good for you). This is stuff that will help you.

Oh I wasn’t aware it was for over 18 >_>, my bad.

Anyways, just thought I would also post what I’ve consumed thus far today.

breakfast
3 packets regular oatmeal
protein shake

post-workout
1 packet lower sugar maple & syrup oatmeal
protein shake

lunch
PB sandwhich
MRP w/ PB blended in

snack (will have it in another hour)
“Low-Carb Protein Shake”
(MRP mixed with PB)

and for dinner, hopefully just a lotta ground beef or turkey or somethin

[quote]friedrice683 wrote:
Oh I wasn’t aware it was for over 18 >_>, my bad.

Anyways, just thought I would also post what I’ve consumed thus far today.

breakfast
3 packets regular oatmeal
protein shake

post-workout
1 packet lower sugar maple & syrup oatmeal
protein shake

lunch
PB sandwhich
MRP w/ PB blended in

snack (will have it in another hour)
“Low-Carb Protein Shake”
(MRP mixed with PB)

and for dinner, hopefully just a lotta ground beef or turkey or somethin[/quote]

Have you read any of the Berardi articles that have been suggested to you yet? Doesn’t look like it. You aren’t consuming any fruits or vegetables. You should be eating some at every meal. At the very least put some fruit in your oatmeal and shakes. And read those articles again. Better yet buy Berardi’s “Scrawny to Brawny” book and “Precision Nutrition” package – this is the best advice I can give.