Well, I guess Eric Holder deserves this more than his boss.
Holder, without consulting his boss…who happens to be the chief lawenforcement officer in the U.S. (but no matter!), has set the legal precedent that U.S. citizens can be snatched off the streets (without any sort of due process!), waterboarded (no need for a lwayer or that silly right to remain silent!), and then tried in court based on that evidence. And of course the Prez can come out and influence the trial by saying: I expect a guilty verdict and the death penalty!
And as a cherry on top of that we get to expose our collection methods, intelligence information, spend a few hundred million bucks and tie up the courts for at least three years!
Most of whom you are referring to are all those detained after 9-11, who were considered either Enemy Combatants, terrorist, Enemies of the State…take your choice…with links to either 9/11 and/or Al Quida.
If I’m not mistaken most, if not all, were arrested, and subsequently detained under the Bush Administration.
The Right (as well as the Left, so don’t try it)…can be VERY hypocritical sometimes with their feigned “outrage”. If Holder and Obama suddenly let them all go, the “outrage” from the Right would be relentless.
So what exactly is the Administration supposed to do with all these detainees?
I’m curious…what are Beck and Limbaugh saying should be done with them?
Were any of those 9-11 attackers even mirandized? I am curious to know, because they could file for a dismissal based on those civil rights violations alone. I am fearful that these people could walk if tried in civilian court on same lame technicality, which would ruin Obama beyond repair.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Were any of those 9-11 attackers even mirandized? I am curious to know, because they could file for a dismissal based on those civil rights violations alone. I am fearful that these people could walk if tried in civilian court on same lame technicality, which would ruin Obama beyond repair. [/quote]
Yep…
It’s another “dammed if he does/dammed if he doesn’t” places the President keeps finding himself in with the Right.
[quote]Valor wrote:
I thought Bush was the guy to be afraid of…[/quote]
Obama didn’t start any wars of aggression so far. Let’s give him credit (and even a Nobel Peace Prize) for that.
My most sincere “Big Giant Thankyou” to the people who helped get him in the Oval Office.
P.S: in a burst of me-me-me, do I still qualify as anti-American if I’m defending the US president? One bonus point for whoever brings up birth certificates to show Obama is not really an American. Ten points for calling him Hussein, wink, wink. Maximum score for people seeing an Islamic conspiracy in this.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Valor wrote:
I thought Bush was the guy to be afraid of…
Obama didn’t start any wars of aggression so far. Let’s give him credit (and even a Nobel Peace Prize) for that.
My most sincere “Big Giant Thankyou” to the people who helped get him in the Oval Office.
P.S: in a burst of me-me-me, do I still qualify as anti-American if I’m defending the US president? One bonus point for whoever brings up birth certificates to show Obama is not really an American. Ten points for calling him Hussein, wink, wink. Maximum score for people seeing an Islamic conspiracy in this.[/quote]
Tsk, tsk, tsk, you only support him because he wants to destroy America.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Valor wrote:
I thought Bush was the guy to be afraid of…
Obama didn’t start any wars of aggression so far. Let’s give him credit (and even a Nobel Peace Prize) for that.
My most sincere “Big Giant Thankyou” to the people who helped get him in the Oval Office.
P.S: in a burst of me-me-me, do I still qualify as anti-American if I’m defending the US president? One bonus point for whoever brings up birth certificates to show Obama is not really an American. Ten points for calling him Hussein, wink, wink. Maximum score for people seeing an Islamic conspiracy in this.[/quote]
If you defend Ronaldus Maximus for saving you from Soviet domination, you’ll get some points to go against your present pro-American total of negative one million.
Defending B. Hussein Obama earns you three-seventeenths of one point. So keep it up and eventually you’ll get there
[quote]orion wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
orion wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Really? Please name one US citizen who was snatched off the streets and waterboarded.
I can name several European ones.
In fact we would like to talk to some CIA agents.
You would not happen to know where they are?
We have a crime called “kidnapping” here, you know.
And torturing those kidnapped does not really help your case if you are caught doing this.
I wonder what would happen if we snatched Americans from American streets and freedom tickled them thoroughly.
The OP said American citizens were snatched off the streets and waterboarded which is a complete lie.
How would you know?
They could come to get you tomorrow and who would ever find out?
And that is the whole point.
You give them that kind of powers and think that they will somehow stop when it comes to turning them against you?
You have no way of knowing anything any more, so I would be careful when it comes to calling someone else a liar when it comes to these things.
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So we are to believe him with no evidence? Count me out.
The OP said American citizens were snatched off the streets and waterboarded which is a complete lie.
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I don’t think that was his point. I believe he is saying that this sets PRECEDENT to do so. Which it may. A more likely outcome is aquittals. I don’t see how rules of evidence will allow any convictions. They should have been tried and executed by a military war crimes tribunal, just as we did with Nazi war criminals.
The OP said American citizens were snatched off the streets and waterboarded which is a complete lie.
I don’t think that was his point. I believe he is saying that this sets PRECEDENT to do so. Which it may. A more likely outcome is aquittals. I don’t see how rules of evidence will allow any convictions. They should have been tried and executed by a military war crimes tribunal, just as we did with Nazi war criminals.[/quote]
I guess I don’t see where trying KSM in civil court sets a precedent for detaining and waterboarding US citizens. I do see where it is the stupidest possible thing we could do.
Does anybody realize that even FDR, the caped hero of the left, when we captured German antagonists within US territory during WWII, subjected them to a closed military tribunal and executed them? That is how you deal with enemies in war.
Thankfully the majority of Americans see this civilian trial of foreign enemies for the abominable and tragic political stunt that it is.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
orion wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
orion wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Really? Please name one US citizen who was snatched off the streets and waterboarded.
I can name several European ones.
In fact we would like to talk to some CIA agents.
You would not happen to know where they are?
We have a crime called “kidnapping” here, you know.
And torturing those kidnapped does not really help your case if you are caught doing this.
I wonder what would happen if we snatched Americans from American streets and freedom tickled them thoroughly.
The OP said American citizens were snatched off the streets and waterboarded which is a complete lie.
How would you know?
They could come to get you tomorrow and who would ever find out?
And that is the whole point.
You give them that kind of powers and think that they will somehow stop when it comes to turning them against you?
You have no way of knowing anything any more, so I would be careful when it comes to calling someone else a liar when it comes to these things.
So we are to believe him with no evidence? Count me out.
[/quote]
Jose Padilla: U.S. citizen, arrested in the United States, allegedly tortured, and held without habeaus rights for almost four years before he was ever charged with a crime.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Does anybody realize that even FDR, the caped hero of the left, when we captured German antagonists within US territory during WWII, subjected them to a closed military tribunal and executed them? That is how you deal with enemies in war.
Thankfully the majority of Americans see this civilian trial of foreign enemies for the abominable and tragic political stunt that it is.[/quote]
That political stunt can very well come back to haunt the administration in a couple of years.
