A Big Giant Thankyou to the Obama Admin!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Were any of those 9-11 attackers even mirandized? I am curious to know, because they could file for a dismissal based on those civil rights violations alone. I am fearful that these people could walk if tried in civilian court on same lame technicality, which would ruin Obama beyond repair. [/quote]

Enemy Combatants have virtually no rights if any. They don’t even have the right to be silent. If they are silent they can be forced to speak or charged for not speaking and held indefinitely. I’m not saying it is right or wrong but that’s the way it is. Now if this is used on prisoners of war it’s not that bad of a deal. But when the combatants and battlefields aren’t clearly marked it leaves a lot of room for abuse to innocent people.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Were any of those 9-11 attackers even mirandized? I am curious to know, because they could file for a dismissal based on those civil rights violations alone. I am fearful that these people could walk if tried in civilian court on same lame technicality, which would ruin Obama beyond repair. [/quote]

We should of just put a bounty on all their heads. How fucking bitchin would that be, go to your local senator’s office and pick up the new bounty papers and go kill a couple of terrorist and pick up your bounty.

I want to know what is a enemy combatant? Enemy of the state, okay I understand that, we should put bounties out for them not spend a bunch of money on our military trying to track these guys down. That is like using a sledge hammer to kill a fly, you need chop sticks.

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[quote]iwong wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Does anybody realize that even FDR, the caped hero of the left, when we captured German antagonists within US territory during WWII, subjected them to a closed military tribunal and executed them? That is how you deal with enemies in war.

Thankfully the majority of Americans see this civilian trial of foreign enemies for the abominable and tragic political stunt that it is.

That political stunt can very well come back to haunt the administration in a couple of years.[/quote]

It’s haunting them already

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[quote]orion wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Really? Please name one US citizen who was snatched off the streets and waterboarded.

I can name several European ones.

In fact we would like to talk to some CIA agents.

You would not happen to know where they are?

We have a crime called “kidnapping” here, you know.

And torturing those kidnapped does not really help your case if you are caught doing this.

I wonder what would happen if we snatched Americans from American streets and freedom tickled them thoroughly.

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If you did that. Marines and SF would visit you shortly thereafter. Besides why do you care? They are only Muslims. They are our eternal enemy.

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I think the constitution should be honored, defended… But there goes that liberal thinking again.

That said,
If the previous administrations defilement of our constitution prohibits a conviction, I’m sure he’d find justice on the streets of NY…

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[quote]pearson7412 wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
orion wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
orion wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Really? Please name one US citizen who was snatched off the streets and waterboarded.

I can name several European ones.

In fact we would like to talk to some CIA agents.

You would not happen to know where they are?

We have a crime called “kidnapping” here, you know.

And torturing those kidnapped does not really help your case if you are caught doing this.

I wonder what would happen if we snatched Americans from American streets and freedom tickled them thoroughly.

The OP said American citizens were snatched off the streets and waterboarded which is a complete lie.

How would you know?

They could come to get you tomorrow and who would ever find out?

And that is the whole point.

You give them that kind of powers and think that they will somehow stop when it comes to turning them against you?

You have no way of knowing anything any more, so I would be careful when it comes to calling someone else a liar when it comes to these things.

So we are to believe him with no evidence? Count me out.

Jose Padilla: U.S. citizen, arrested in the United States, allegedly tortured, and held without habeaus rights for almost four years before he was ever charged with a crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Padilla_(prisoner)[/quote]

It’s funny that you failed to mention his converted Muslim name of Abdullah al-Muhajir, found guilty of conspiring to kill people in an overseas jihad and to fund and support overseas terrorism. You intentionally failed to provide that information in your rebuttal. You also have to understand that many people file continuances and extensions in an effort to gain to in fighting their case.

The guy visited Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq, let me guess, all for vacation right?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Were any of those 9-11 attackers even mirandized? I am curious to know, because they could file for a dismissal based on those civil rights violations alone. I am fearful that these people could walk if tried in civilian court on same lame technicality, which would ruin Obama beyond repair. [/quote]

Thats just the point. There is NO WAY these guys can be found guilty under our current laws. Not a chance. Due process? HA!

And then Obama tells the world: We’re going to give them a fair trial, and then exectue them!

What? Trust me there is no fake outrage here. Obama nad his admin have made the choice to make a mockery out of justice and destroy our civil liberties.

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[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
Really? Please name one US citizen who was snatched off the streets and waterboarded.[/quote]

Once the 9-11 terrorists are in A U.S. court they are entitled the rights of any U.S. citizen. They in fact, under law, become equal to you and me.

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All they have to do is so much as mention waterboarding and if there is any consistent application of law whatsoever they walk. What jury would convict a defendant who was a US citizen who was waterboarded to get information? Hell, in some jurisdictions harsh speech is enough to cry coercion over. If they’re not going to be treated as US citizens then what’s the @$#$%@ point?

The long and short of it is this:

If they genuinely want to show the impeccable rule of law in the US then these guys CANNOT be convicted.

If they are convicted anyway it will not be according tot he same rules of jurisprudence that US citizens are subject to anyway.

This is all pointless anyway because the motivation is to put the United States in general, the CIA and the Bush administration in particular on trial.

It’s an attempt to divorce the American mind and the international community from the idea that playing hardball… for keeps with enemies is the only way to survive. It will backfire on both counts. These limp wristed weaklings are going to learn the hard way that a new AND improved softer gentler United States is a contradiction in terms. (That oughta bring Lixy and Orion outta the woodwork for sure).