9 Months Pregnant and 24 Kipping Pull Ups

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[quote]ragoo wrote:
You seem to completely miss the context of my posts. Try to go back and read. I’m not talking about PREGNANT kipping pull-ups, I’m talking about non-pregnant healthy individuals with healthy shoulders. K? Like I said in my posts, I’m going to let you guys squabble over the political correctness. I was more curious about the fact somebody said that kipping pull-ups are horrible for your shoulder region in healthy individuals.[/quote]

“Try to go back and read”? LOL. Context is talking about pregnant women doing kipping pull ups on a thread dedicated to the topic. Not posting a vid of a trained gymnast performing a bar routine then asking if kipping pull ups are shoulder friendly.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there’s really not much of a choice in driving, so analogy fail.

there’s choice is selecting exercises that have a lower risk of injury ;)[/quote]
All she has to do is install a chin-up bar in her house and driving to the gym is avoided.[/quote]

But what if she has to to drive to the store to buy the chin up bar? Risky. Having to drive home from work to use the chin up bar is even riskier. [/quote]
That’s what husbands are for. Single mothers can order one via the internet. :)[/quote]

Why do I get the feeling that you don’t believe what you’re posting?

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[quote]ragoo wrote:
You seem to completely miss the context of my posts. Try to go back and read. I’m not talking about PREGNANT kipping pull-ups, I’m talking about non-pregnant healthy individuals with healthy shoulders. K? Like I said in my posts, I’m going to let you guys squabble over the political correctness. I was more curious about the fact somebody said that kipping pull-ups are horrible for your shoulder region in healthy individuals.[/quote]
I can tell you what Crossfit people have told me. There are 2 at my gym. One, a woman around 35ish, totally f’ed up her shoulder at class doing the shitty form pull ups. When she went to the “coach” he said she should come back to class and do more to strengthen her shoulder. Her ortho doc disagreed, telling her the class did the damage. A guy, late 30’s, does it 2 or 3 times a week. He now has a nice case of tendonitis in both arms and wonders why.
Hmm…

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ragoo wrote:
You seem to completely miss the context of my posts. Try to go back and read. I’m not talking about PREGNANT kipping pull-ups, I’m talking about non-pregnant healthy individuals with healthy shoulders. K? Like I said in my posts, I’m going to let you guys squabble over the political correctness. I was more curious about the fact somebody said that kipping pull-ups are horrible for your shoulder region in healthy individuals.[/quote]

“Try to go back and read”? LOL. Context is talking about pregnant women doing kipping pull ups on a thread dedicated to the topic. Not posting a vid of a trained gymnast performing a bar routine then asking if kipping pull ups are shoulder friendly. [/quote]

Really?? There was a whole conversation about great danes within this thread, but you have a problem with me questioning something actually related to the thread?

I made it clear in my post I didn’t want to get involved in the political correctness of kipping pull ups for pregnant woman. But when someone makes a claim that kipping pull-ups are “dangerous” or unhealthy for the shoulders even in healthy individuals, I was kinda wondering if there was some proof or if it was just part of the bashing of crossfit. For all I know the guy does have very good proof that kipping pull-ups are an unhealthy exercise, I was strictly asking.

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[quote]ragoo wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ragoo wrote:
You seem to completely miss the context of my posts. Try to go back and read. I’m not talking about PREGNANT kipping pull-ups, I’m talking about non-pregnant healthy individuals with healthy shoulders. K? Like I said in my posts, I’m going to let you guys squabble over the political correctness. I was more curious about the fact somebody said that kipping pull-ups are horrible for your shoulder region in healthy individuals.[/quote]

“Try to go back and read”? LOL. Context is talking about pregnant women doing kipping pull ups on a thread dedicated to the topic. Not posting a vid of a trained gymnast performing a bar routine then asking if kipping pull ups are shoulder friendly. [/quote]

Really?? There was a whole conversation about great danes within this thread, but you have a problem with me questioning something actually related to the thread?

I made it clear in my post I didn’t want to get involved in the political correctness of kipping pull ups for pregnant woman. But when someone makes a claim that kipping pull-ups are “dangerous” or unhealthy for the shoulders even in healthy individuals, I was kinda wondering if there was some proof or if it was just part of the bashing of crossfit. For all I know the guy does have very good proof that kipping pull-ups are an unhealthy exercise, I was strictly asking.[/quote]

What, pregnant women aren’t healthy?

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[quote]ragoo wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ragoo wrote:
You seem to completely miss the context of my posts. Try to go back and read. I’m not talking about PREGNANT kipping pull-ups, I’m talking about non-pregnant healthy individuals with healthy shoulders. K? Like I said in my posts, I’m going to let you guys squabble over the political correctness. I was more curious about the fact somebody said that kipping pull-ups are horrible for your shoulder region in healthy individuals.[/quote]

“Try to go back and read”? LOL. Context is talking about pregnant women doing kipping pull ups on a thread dedicated to the topic. Not posting a vid of a trained gymnast performing a bar routine then asking if kipping pull ups are shoulder friendly. [/quote]

Really?? There was a whole conversation about great danes within this thread, but you have a problem with me questioning something actually related to the thread?

I made it clear in my post I didn’t want to get involved in the political correctness of kipping pull ups for pregnant woman. But when someone makes a claim that kipping pull-ups are “dangerous” or unhealthy for the shoulders even in healthy individuals, I was kinda wondering if there was some proof or if it was just part of the bashing of crossfit. For all I know the guy does have very good proof that kipping pull-ups are an unhealthy exercise, I was strictly asking.[/quote]

Kipping pull-ups put enormous stress on the subscapularis and rotator cuff…so much so that in crossfit circles it has the nickname scappy tear.

Two of my friends that own crossfit gyms will not even teach it anymore…because it serves no purpose other that simulating a heart attack on a chin bar.

Rumor has it, it was brought into crossfit so that Greg Glassman could get his double chins over the bar.

/may or may not be true

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[quote]strangemeadow wrote:

[quote]ragoo wrote:
You seem to completely miss the context of my posts. Try to go back and read. I’m not talking about PREGNANT kipping pull-ups, I’m talking about non-pregnant healthy individuals with healthy shoulders. K? Like I said in my posts, I’m going to let you guys squabble over the political correctness. I was more curious about the fact somebody said that kipping pull-ups are horrible for your shoulder region in healthy individuals.[/quote]
I can tell you what Crossfit people have told me. There are 2 at my gym. One, a woman around 35ish, totally f’ed up her shoulder at class doing the shitty form pull ups. When she went to the “coach” he said she should come back to class and do more to strengthen her shoulder. Her ortho doc disagreed, telling her the class did the damage. A guy, late 30’s, does it 2 or 3 times a week. He now has a nice case of tendonitis in both arms and wonders why.
Hmm…
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Interesting. But to me that doesn’t prove that kipping pull ups are inherently dangerous. It’s the equivalent to a late 30’s out of shape guy, with poor mobility, decides to get under a loaded bar to squat and ends up having back pain from it. I don’t think anyone on here is going to start screaming SQUATS ARE DANGEROUS or that they’re bad for your back. What’s more likely is that that person isn’t ready for that exercise.
Squats and deadlifts when done properly are excellent exercises. Nobody on these threads is going to argue against that. But done with poor form or when somebody with poor mobility attempts it, it can quickly get ugly. It’s probably the exact same thing for kipping pull-ups. Somebody healthy enough to perform them can probably do it fine, while a person not quite ready for it might end up with tendonitis.

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[quote]ragoo wrote:

Really?? There was a whole conversation about great danes within this thread, but you have a problem with me questioning something actually related to the thread?

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Well, the Great Danes weren’t pregnant or doing kipping pull ups.

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Thank you, UtahLama. An actual answer. I agree, as far as exercises go, I could never really see the purpose in a kipping pull-up. But I couldn’t see how they were unhealthy for the shoulder.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Kipping pullups are stupid for anyone at anytime. Doing them at nine months pregnant shows she’s full retard. You never go full retard.[/quote]

Hate the word, but the line is a classic.[/quote]

Don’t like it much either . I only use it on people like my son who are tested gifted when they do ridiculous things. Like when he needed a longer spoon to get applesauce from the jar . He didn’t think of tilting it btw .
Maybe dumbass is more pc.
The line is awesome though.[/quote]

I remember a few years back I was cleaning out a storage unit for a older woman who lost her husband. Her husband was Grand Knight for a local KofC council and I found these old yellow vests (looked like construction vests) that read:

“Buy a Tootsie Roll
For the Retarded”

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there’s really not much of a choice in driving, so analogy fail.

there’s choice is selecting exercises that have a lower risk of injury ;)[/quote]
All she has to do is install a chin-up bar in her house and driving to the gym is avoided.[/quote]

But what if she has to to drive to the store to buy the chin up bar? Risky. Having to drive home from work to use the chin up bar is even riskier. [/quote]
That’s what husbands are for. Single mothers can order one via the internet. :)[/quote]

Why do I get the feeling that you don’t believe what you’re posting?[/quote]

My last couple of posts were somewhat in jest… but I absolutely believe pregnant women aren’t nearly as helpless as many people think.

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Gymnasts have an incredibly high injury rate and shoulders are up there. It’s as risky sport.
Now doing these in a general population is even riskier . Why not do regular pullups or chins? Nice dead hang without excessive stretch on your rotator cuff muscles ?

[quote]ragoo wrote:
Not once in my post did I refer to the pregnant crossfitter, mostly because I don’t want to get involved in the morality or political correctness of whether or not a pregnant woman should be doing kipping pull ups. I’m going to let all of you piss and moan about it.

My post was in reference to tom63 who said things like:

“Again . It’s a stupid exercise for a healthy person . It’s beyond ridiculous for a nine months pregnant lady.”
&
“It’s not common sense, it’s plain stupid . First these pullups are horrible for yours shoulder region”

I was wondering if there was some basis to these statements or if they were just part of the flaming of crossfit. Because I don’t see how a healthy person swinging on a bar can be inherently bad or unhealthy for your shoulder region. And my example were gymnasts, who do real kips.

As for your question if I had ever seen a pregnant gymnast doing a bar routine, my answer is no, but I might pay good money to watch.[/quote]

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Go read in shoulder anatomy. During movement the shoulder is stabilized by muscle action. Take these rotator cuff muscles( which the subscapularis is one ) and put some excessive stretch and ballistic action and you will wreck your shoulder, women before men on average.

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Haha! Yeah, if prehistoric ancestors did it it must be fine.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m a chiropractor who’s been through art at all levels . I treat injured shoulders, have worked at ironman races, the Arnold classic, and treated professional athletes . Pregnancy is a risk factor in soft tissue work due to ligamentous laxity. We must be careful when we manipulate or do soft tissue work because we can injure someone inducing a sprain strain type of injury .

Again . It’s a stupid exercise for a healthy person . It’s beyond ridiculous for a nine months pregnant lady.

I’ve learned to trust health care professionals trained to treat injuries as opposed to lifters with no treatment experience . Believe it or not , there are doctors who work on injured athletes.

Double again, it’s a plain stupid you’re going to destroy your shoulder exercise in the best case scenario . Common sense isn’t common.

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
Meh, I don’t get the anger. If she can do them, good for her. I don’t see how it’s going to affect her baby. Are you all among the group who tell pregnant women not to reach over their head or they’ll strangle the baby with the cord? I’d be more worried about damage to my own joints than harm to the baby. When you’re pregnant, all your joints become relaxed and kind of loose. My hips felt like they’d shoot into different directions. Clearly that’s not the case for her so let her kip on.[/quote]

Don’t bring common sense and personal experience into this Julie. This is the interwebs, your actual knowledge of the subject has no relevance. [/quote]

It’s not common sense, it’s plain stupid . First these pullups are horrible for yours shoulder region. Second the effects of progesterone this late in her pregnancy is to loosen her hip joints to allow the baby to pass through easier. This will also affect her gh, ac, and sc joints. She’s much more vulnerable to injury. This makes the baby much more vulnerable if day she tears her labrum and falls.

Totally not common sense , but hardcore in I’m a moron way.
Deliver the baby then come back and work on your shoulder replacement .[/quote]

I’ll back someone elses personal experince over another persons opinion any day. Unless you have to be an OB/GYM doc, that is. [/quote]
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But cavewomen swing from branches and powercleaned feral hogs at 9 months pregnant…your argument is invalidated… educated medical guy.

/crossfitter’d[/quote]

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ragoo wrote:

Really?? There was a whole conversation about great danes within this thread, but you have a problem with me questioning something actually related to the thread?

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Well, the Great Danes weren’t pregnant or doing kipping pull ups.[/quote]
I think we can all agree that Great Danes would use strict form and not kip.

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[quote]ragoo wrote:
Thank you, UtahLama. An actual answer. I agree, as far as exercises go, I could never really see the purpose in a kipping pull-up. But I couldn’t see how they were unhealthy for the shoulder. [/quote]

OK. I’ll give you a serious answer. As you know, CF borrowed the kipping pull up from gymnastics. The applications of the movement in CF are entirely different. It was simply not designed to be used in that way. Gymnasts see it as a method to transition between bar manouevres. They don’t max out on them just for the sake of it. Critical difference.

The risk of injury has already been covered, so no need to go over that again.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
there’s really not much of a choice in driving, so analogy fail.

there’s choice is selecting exercises that have a lower risk of injury ;)[/quote]
All she has to do is install a chin-up bar in her house and driving to the gym is avoided.[/quote]

But what if she has to to drive to the store to buy the chin up bar? Risky. Having to drive home from work to use the chin up bar is even riskier. [/quote]
That’s what husbands are for. Single mothers can order one via the internet. :)[/quote]

Why do I get the feeling that you don’t believe what you’re posting?[/quote]

My last couple of posts were somewhat in jest… but I absolutely believe pregnant women aren’t nearly as helpless as many people think.[/quote]

I know you were keeping it light, but we’ve looked at the pros and cons of kipping pull ups in enough detail that the benefits do not outweigh the risks. Not one person here has said that women are helpless and, as I said, doing an injurious exercise just to send a message to people who seem like they’re being buzzkills, is incredibly selfish and reckless.

I don’t believe that anyone on this thread would condone what those women are doing if they were friends or relatives.

“It’s her body” doesn’t justify it when they are doing this for totally the wrong reasons.

Like I said, even competive athletes scale back their training. We will not see a Preglympics any time soon. The whole idea behind a pregnant pull up progression is to ramp up training, not rein it in. That’s all I have to say.

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[quote]strangemeadow wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ragoo wrote:

Really?? There was a whole conversation about great danes within this thread, but you have a problem with me questioning something actually related to the thread?

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Well, the Great Danes weren’t pregnant or doing kipping pull ups.[/quote]
I think we can all agree that Great Danes would use strict form and not kip.
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Definitely.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]SLAINGE wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:
I agree. For 99% of human history, a women’s activity level didn’t change because she was pregnant. That is still the case in much of the world today. If the cortisol released from being chased by a lion didn’t affect a fetus, I doubt the cortisol from some squats will.[/quote]

Oh for the love of God how the f do you know being chased by a lion didn’t affect a fetus LOL! Anyway and more importantly being chased down be a lion more than likely lead to death for both mommy and baby and anyone else who couldnt run 35mph!

Btw does anyone know the mortality rates of newborn children and expectant mothers prehistory? Or can we hazard a guess that it was kinda high![/quote]
It was just an expression - besides, the woman wouldn’t die as long as she could outrun one of her friends.
The point is, pregnant women in the past (and in many places today) are far more active than a typical north american.

Is there any evidence that this is harmful to the fetus? If there is no evidence either way, then why should a woman change her activity levels?[/quote]

I understand women in other places are far more active than the average north american woman but that is because they have to be! They have no choice as to the type of activiities they’re forced to endure in order to survive but we have the luxury of choice’ and choosing stupid high risk activities is moronic esp. when there are so many other alternatives that are not crowd pleasers or youtube fodder.

Im sure a pregnant woman in rural India would love not to carry water for 5 miles everyday and to hoe the fields from sun up to sun down but she cant and thats the main difference.

Btw this is not about how delicate women are or our (men) need to keep you all safe and under wraps, this thread is simply about people doing stupid shit and the kudos that crossfitters seem to generate from one another the more hardcore they get.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]ragoo wrote:
Thank you, UtahLama. An actual answer. I agree, as far as exercises go, I could never really see the purpose in a kipping pull-up. But I couldn’t see how they were unhealthy for the shoulder. [/quote]

OK. I’ll give you a serious answer. As you know, CF borrowed the kipping pull up from gymnastics. The applications of the movement in CF are entirely different. It was simply not designed to be used in that way. Gymnasts see it as a method to transition between bar manouevres. They don’t max out on them just for the sake of it. Critical difference.

The risk of injury has already been covered, so no need to go over that again.[/quote]

Actually the risk of injury had not already been covered. Just because one or two people say an exercise is dangerous or unhealthy doesn’t just automatically make it so. So that’s what spurred my question. tom63 made a general statement that kipping pull-ups were dangerous, even for non-pregnant individuals and I was wondering why. Thankfully, tom63 and utahlama gave me legit answers.

Obviously, a gymnastics kip is radically different than a kipping pull-up. I was just curious as to why somebody felt a kipping pull-up was unhealthy for the shoulder region and I got my answer.