9/11 Is Not Earth Day!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.

That would take immeasurable courage.

Doing what you believe must be done for the greater good of your family, friends, society and country, at the cost of your own psychic well-being, takes guts.[/quote]

…and then they said those who flew planes in buildings were cowards…

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
pushharder wrote:
orion wrote:

Some say this country’s just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I’d have to say that’s right

So the worthless grandson of a butchering Nazi cocksucker wants to lecture Americans about “having the right” to "look for a fight after 9/11? Hmmmmmm…a bit of a paradox going on here…maybe you should’ve viewed the video and you would’ve noticed Bin Laden’s portrait was used throughout. No “innocents” were featured nor intended in those lyrics, Herr hakenkreuz imprÃ??Ã?¤gniert schwein.

Edit for my friend Push: BOTH grandfathers were butchering Nazi cocksuckers.

This clown’s political views are, of course, a psychological defense mechanism against the sheer horror that comes with truly recognizing how despicable his own grandparents were.

“I’m not like them! I despise all those things anywhere I can manage to delude myself that they are taking place! Peace! Love! No government fascism! I am NOT a Nazi!!! Really!”

[/quote]

I did not know either of them so I really have no memory of them that I would need to protect.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.

That would take immeasurable courage.

Doing what you believe must be done for the greater good of your family, friends, society and country, at the cost of your own psychic well-being, takes guts.[/quote]

Lol, I simply must find Himmler speech now where he praised the SS for doing their duty despite the horrible things that were asked from them every day.

And then they all come along, the 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has
his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first rate
Jew. Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one
has had to go through with it. Most of you men know what it is like to see 100
corpses side by side, or 500 or 1,000. To have stood fast through this - and
except for cases of human weakness - to have stayed decent, that has made
us hard. This is an unwritten and never-to-be-written page of glory in our
history, for we know how difficult it would be for us if today - under bombing
raids and the hardships and deprivations of war - if we were still to have the
Jews in every city as secret saboteurs, agitators, and inciters. If the Jews
were still lodged in the body of the German nation, we would probably by now
have reached the stage of 1916-17.

Himmler, Posen, 1943

They did what was necessary to protect their family, their people, the empire.

All hail the Waffen-SS?

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[quote]orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.

That would take immeasurable courage.

Doing what you believe must be done for the greater good of your family, friends, society and country, at the cost of your own psychic well-being, takes guts.

Lol, I simply must find Himmler speech now where he praised the SS for doing their duty despite the horrible things that were asked from them every day.

And then they all come along, the 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has
his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first rate
Jew. Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one
has had to go through with it. Most of you men know what it is like to see 100
corpses side by side, or 500 or 1,000. To have stood fast through this - and
except for cases of human weakness - to have stayed decent, that has made
us hard. This is an unwritten and never-to-be-written page of glory in our
history, for we know how difficult it would be for us if today - under bombing
raids and the hardships and deprivations of war - if we were still to have the
Jews in every city as secret saboteurs, agitators, and inciters. If the Jews
were still lodged in the body of the German nation, we would probably by now
have reached the stage of 1916-17.

Himmler, Posen, 1943

They did what was necessary to protect their family, their people, the empire.

All hail the Waffen-SS? [/quote]

How did a thread entitled 9/11 Is Not Earth Day! devolve into this I wonder? Your comparing those in the US airforce who struggle with their conscience knowing that dispite their best efforts, there will be civilian casualties ~ with the SS ?

Can’t begin to go there with you on that. Too much like my IL Senator Dick Durbin. Perhaps you would simply conceed that 9-11 should not be simply forgotten, or is something that you breezily “get over” as was suggested by an earlier poster.

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[quote]Tokoya wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.

That would take immeasurable courage.

Doing what you believe must be done for the greater good of your family, friends, society and country, at the cost of your own psychic well-being, takes guts.

Lol, I simply must find Himmler speech now where he praised the SS for doing their duty despite the horrible things that were asked from them every day.

And then they all come along, the 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has
his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first rate
Jew. Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one
has had to go through with it. Most of you men know what it is like to see 100
corpses side by side, or 500 or 1,000. To have stood fast through this - and
except for cases of human weakness - to have stayed decent, that has made
us hard. This is an unwritten and never-to-be-written page of glory in our
history, for we know how difficult it would be for us if today - under bombing
raids and the hardships and deprivations of war - if we were still to have the
Jews in every city as secret saboteurs, agitators, and inciters. If the Jews
were still lodged in the body of the German nation, we would probably by now
have reached the stage of 1916-17.

Himmler, Posen, 1943

They did what was necessary to protect their family, their people, the empire.

All hail the Waffen-SS?

How did a thread entitled 9/11 Is Not Earth Day! devolve into this I wonder? Your comparing those in the US airforce who struggle with their conscience knowing that dispite their best efforts, there will be civilian casualties ~ with the SS ?

Can’t begin to go there with you on that. Too much like my IL Senator Dick Durbin. Perhaps you would simply conceed that 9-11 should not be simply forgotten, or is something that you breezily “get over” as was suggested by an earlier poster.[/quote]

You do not seem to get it, they struggled with their conscience too, they just did what they fought was best for their country and what other people were not strong enough to do.

Chushin seems to admire that, I dont. Especially not if cheapo propaganda ois used to justify why hundreds of thousands of lives must be wasted.

If however someone posts a bullshit song about how those soldiers protect Americas freedom and protect the homeland while they are wasting and torturing rag heads thousand of miles away who initially did not give shit about America in the first place I recoil for my BS meter is in danger of exploding.

I think the real idea is somewhat like this, he just is not hypocritical about it:

"It is absolutely wrong to project our own harmless soul with its deep feelings, our kindheartedness, our idealism, upon alien peoples. This is true, beginning with Herder, who must have been drunk when he wrote the Voices Of The Peoples, thereby bringing such immeasurable suffering and misery upon us who came after him. This is true, beginning with the Czechs and Slovenes, to whom we brought their sense of nationhood. They themselves were incapable of it, but we invented it for them.

One principle must be absolute for the SS man: we must be honest, decent, loyal and friendly to members of our blood and to no one else. What happens to the Russians, what happens to the Czechs, is a matter of utter indifference to me. Such good blood of our own kind as there may be among the nations we shall acquire for ourselves, if necessary by taking away the children and bringing them up among us.

Whether the other races live in comfort or perish of hunger interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; apart from that it does not interest me. Whether or not 10,000 Russian women collapse from exhaustion while digging a tank ditch interests me only in so far as the tank ditch is completed for Germany. Hear Himmler say this in German .wav 208K

We shall never be rough or heartless where it is not necessary; that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude to animals, will also adopt a decent attitude to these human animals, Hear Himmler say this in German .wav 143K

(continued) but it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and to bring them ideals.

Ibid

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[quote]orion wrote:
Tokoya wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.

That would take immeasurable courage.

Doing what you believe must be done for the greater good of your family, friends, society and country, at the cost of your own psychic well-being, takes guts.

Lol, I simply must find Himmler speech now where he praised the SS for doing their duty despite the horrible things that were asked from them every day.

And then they all come along, the 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has
his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first rate
Jew. Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one
has had to go through with it. Most of you men know what it is like to see 100
corpses side by side, or 500 or 1,000. To have stood fast through this - and
except for cases of human weakness - to have stayed decent, that has made
us hard. This is an unwritten and never-to-be-written page of glory in our
history, for we know how difficult it would be for us if today - under bombing
raids and the hardships and deprivations of war - if we were still to have the
Jews in every city as secret saboteurs, agitators, and inciters. If the Jews
were still lodged in the body of the German nation, we would probably by now
have reached the stage of 1916-17.

Himmler, Posen, 1943

They did what was necessary to protect their family, their people, the empire.

All hail the Waffen-SS?

How did a thread entitled 9/11 Is Not Earth Day! devolve into this I wonder? Your comparing those in the US airforce who struggle with their conscience knowing that dispite their best efforts, there will be civilian casualties ~ with the SS ?

Can’t begin to go there with you on that. Too much like my IL Senator Dick Durbin. Perhaps you would simply conceed that 9-11 should not be simply forgotten, or is something that you breezily “get over” as was suggested by an earlier poster.

You do not seem to get it, they struggled with their conscience too, they just did what they fought was best for their country and what other people were not strong enough to do.

Chushin seems to admire that, I dont. Especially not if cheapo propaganda ois used to justify why hundreds of thousands of lives must be wasted.

If however someone posts a bullshit song about how those soldiers protect Americas freedom and protect the homeland while they are wasting and torturing rag heads thousand of miles away who initially did not give shit about America in the first place I recoil for my BS meter is in danger of exploding.

I think the real idea is somewhat like this, he just is not hypocritical about it:

"It is absolutely wrong to project our own harmless soul with its deep feelings, our kindheartedness, our idealism, upon alien peoples. This is true, beginning with Herder, who must have been drunk when he wrote the Voices Of The Peoples, thereby bringing such immeasurable suffering and misery upon us who came after him. This is true, beginning with the Czechs and Slovenes, to whom we brought their sense of nationhood. They themselves were incapable of it, but we invented it for them.

One principle must be absolute for the SS man: we must be honest, decent, loyal and friendly to members of our blood and to no one else. What happens to the Russians, what happens to the Czechs, is a matter of utter indifference to me. Such good blood of our own kind as there may be among the nations we shall acquire for ourselves, if necessary by taking away the children and bringing them up among us.

Whether the other races live in comfort or perish of hunger interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; apart from that it does not interest me. Whether or not 10,000 Russian women collapse from exhaustion while digging a tank ditch interests me only in so far as the tank ditch is completed for Germany. Hear Himmler say this in German .wav 208K

We shall never be rough or heartless where it is not necessary; that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude to animals, will also adopt a decent attitude to these human animals, Hear Himmler say this in German .wav 143K

(continued) but it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and to bring them ideals.

Ibid [/quote]

You’re right. “I don’t seem to get it”. Not looking for enlightenment either. I can’t relate to the nazis, or the SS. Don’t think they spent that much time grappling with their conscience over what they did in WWII ~ think ovens and concentration camps. You look at it through a pretty different prism than I do. Much like Dick Durbin Dem Senator. IL.

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[quote]Tokoya wrote:
orion wrote:
Tokoya wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.

That would take immeasurable courage.

Doing what you believe must be done for the greater good of your family, friends, society and country, at the cost of your own psychic well-being, takes guts.

Lol, I simply must find Himmler speech now where he praised the SS for doing their duty despite the horrible things that were asked from them every day.

And then they all come along, the 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has
his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first rate
Jew. Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one
has had to go through with it. Most of you men know what it is like to see 100
corpses side by side, or 500 or 1,000. To have stood fast through this - and
except for cases of human weakness - to have stayed decent, that has made
us hard. This is an unwritten and never-to-be-written page of glory in our
history, for we know how difficult it would be for us if today - under bombing
raids and the hardships and deprivations of war - if we were still to have the
Jews in every city as secret saboteurs, agitators, and inciters. If the Jews
were still lodged in the body of the German nation, we would probably by now
have reached the stage of 1916-17.

Himmler, Posen, 1943

They did what was necessary to protect their family, their people, the empire.

All hail the Waffen-SS?

How did a thread entitled 9/11 Is Not Earth Day! devolve into this I wonder? Your comparing those in the US airforce who struggle with their conscience knowing that dispite their best efforts, there will be civilian casualties ~ with the SS ?

Can’t begin to go there with you on that. Too much like my IL Senator Dick Durbin. Perhaps you would simply conceed that 9-11 should not be simply forgotten, or is something that you breezily “get over” as was suggested by an earlier poster.

You do not seem to get it, they struggled with their conscience too, they just did what they fought was best for their country and what other people were not strong enough to do.

Chushin seems to admire that, I dont. Especially not if cheapo propaganda ois used to justify why hundreds of thousands of lives must be wasted.

If however someone posts a bullshit song about how those soldiers protect Americas freedom and protect the homeland while they are wasting and torturing rag heads thousand of miles away who initially did not give shit about America in the first place I recoil for my BS meter is in danger of exploding.

I think the real idea is somewhat like this, he just is not hypocritical about it:

"It is absolutely wrong to project our own harmless soul with its deep feelings, our kindheartedness, our idealism, upon alien peoples. This is true, beginning with Herder, who must have been drunk when he wrote the Voices Of The Peoples, thereby bringing such immeasurable suffering and misery upon us who came after him. This is true, beginning with the Czechs and Slovenes, to whom we brought their sense of nationhood. They themselves were incapable of it, but we invented it for them.

One principle must be absolute for the SS man: we must be honest, decent, loyal and friendly to members of our blood and to no one else. What happens to the Russians, what happens to the Czechs, is a matter of utter indifference to me. Such good blood of our own kind as there may be among the nations we shall acquire for ourselves, if necessary by taking away the children and bringing them up among us.

Whether the other races live in comfort or perish of hunger interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; apart from that it does not interest me. Whether or not 10,000 Russian women collapse from exhaustion while digging a tank ditch interests me only in so far as the tank ditch is completed for Germany. Hear Himmler say this in German .wav 208K

We shall never be rough or heartless where it is not necessary; that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude to animals, will also adopt a decent attitude to these human animals, Hear Himmler say this in German .wav 143K

(continued) but it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and to bring them ideals.

Ibid

You’re right. “I don’t seem to get it”. Not looking for enlightenment either. I can’t relate to the nazis, or the SS. Don’t think they spent that much time grappling with their conscience over what they did in WWII ~ think ovens and concentration camps. You look at it through a pretty different prism than I do. Much like Dick Durbin Dem Senator. IL.
[/quote]

Oh, am I a Nazi?

Again?

Anyhow, the point is this. Their propensity to bullshitting themselves so that they could convince themselves that they were doing it for the “greater good”, that they made the “hard decisions that nobody else would” and so further and so on, was no greater than yours or any US pilots or soldiers.

If you really understood the Nazis you would know that they were just ordinary guys and that you would have been one of them to 99,999%.

It is not hard to convince someone to kill someone else for an ideology, au contraire it is incredibly easy.

Some US soldiers are doing it right now, to bring “freedom and democracy”, two post enlightenment concepts to a society that is two inches away from chattel slavery and that has barely mastered codified law.

You just cheer them on because they kill for your ideology, whereas the Nazis killed for theirs or the 9-11 crew for theirs.

So killing for ideology is a-ok with you, because yours, unlike all the others, is the one true one worth killing for.

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…what’s ironic and easily forgotten is that much, if not virtually all, of america’s rocket technology, it’s jetfighter technology and space exploration advances are based on Nazi science. Von Braun and Heisenberg, among many others german scientists, started to work for the Allies after Germany was defeated. America owes much to Nazi Germany…

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[quote]orion wrote:
Tokoya wrote:
orion wrote:
Tokoya wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.

That would take immeasurable courage.

Doing what you believe must be done for the greater good of your family, friends, society and country, at the cost of your own psychic well-being, takes guts.

Lol, I simply must find Himmler speech now where he praised the SS for doing their duty despite the horrible things that were asked from them every day.

And then they all come along, the 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has
his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first rate
Jew. Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one
has had to go through with it. Most of you men know what it is like to see 100
corpses side by side, or 500 or 1,000. To have stood fast through this - and
except for cases of human weakness - to have stayed decent, that has made
us hard. This is an unwritten and never-to-be-written page of glory in our
history, for we know how difficult it would be for us if today - under bombing
raids and the hardships and deprivations of war - if we were still to have the
Jews in every city as secret saboteurs, agitators, and inciters. If the Jews
were still lodged in the body of the German nation, we would probably by now
have reached the stage of 1916-17.

Himmler, Posen, 1943

They did what was necessary to protect their family, their people, the empire.

All hail the Waffen-SS?

How did a thread entitled 9/11 Is Not Earth Day! devolve into this I wonder? Your comparing those in the US airforce who struggle with their conscience knowing that dispite their best efforts, there will be civilian casualties ~ with the SS ?

Can’t begin to go there with you on that. Too much like my IL Senator Dick Durbin. Perhaps you would simply conceed that 9-11 should not be simply forgotten, or is something that you breezily “get over” as was suggested by an earlier poster.

You do not seem to get it, they struggled with their conscience too, they just did what they fought was best for their country and what other people were not strong enough to do.

Chushin seems to admire that, I dont. Especially not if cheapo propaganda ois used to justify why hundreds of thousands of lives must be wasted.

If however someone posts a bullshit song about how those soldiers protect Americas freedom and protect the homeland while they are wasting and torturing rag heads thousand of miles away who initially did not give shit about America in the first place I recoil for my BS meter is in danger of exploding.

I think the real idea is somewhat like this, he just is not hypocritical about it:

"It is absolutely wrong to project our own harmless soul with its deep feelings, our kindheartedness, our idealism, upon alien peoples. This is true, beginning with Herder, who must have been drunk when he wrote the Voices Of The Peoples, thereby bringing such immeasurable suffering and misery upon us who came after him. This is true, beginning with the Czechs and Slovenes, to whom we brought their sense of nationhood. They themselves were incapable of it, but we invented it for them.

One principle must be absolute for the SS man: we must be honest, decent, loyal and friendly to members of our blood and to no one else. What happens to the Russians, what happens to the Czechs, is a matter of utter indifference to me. Such good blood of our own kind as there may be among the nations we shall acquire for ourselves, if necessary by taking away the children and bringing them up among us.

Whether the other races live in comfort or perish of hunger interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; apart from that it does not interest me. Whether or not 10,000 Russian women collapse from exhaustion while digging a tank ditch interests me only in so far as the tank ditch is completed for Germany. Hear Himmler say this in German .wav 208K

We shall never be rough or heartless where it is not necessary; that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude to animals, will also adopt a decent attitude to these human animals, Hear Himmler say this in German .wav 143K

(continued) but it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and to bring them ideals.

Ibid

You’re right. “I don’t seem to get it”. Not looking for enlightenment either. I can’t relate to the nazis, or the SS. Don’t think they spent that much time grappling with their conscience over what they did in WWII ~ think ovens and concentration camps. You look at it through a pretty different prism than I do. Much like Dick Durbin Dem Senator. IL.

Oh, am I a Nazi?

Again?

Anyhow, the point is this. Their propensity to bullshitting themselves so that they could convince themselves that they were doing it for the “greater good”, that they made the “hard decisions that nobody else would” and so further and so on, was no greater than yours or any US pilots or soldiers.

If you really understood the Nazis you would know that they were just ordinary guys and that you would have been one of them to 99,999%.

It is not hard to convince someone to kill someone else for an ideology, au contraire it is incredibly easy.

Some US soldiers are doing it right now, to bring “freedom and democracy”, two post enlightenment concepts to a society that is two inches away from chattel slavery and that has barely mastered codified law.

You just cheer them on because they kill for your ideology, whereas the Nazis killed for theirs or the 9-11 crew for theirs.

So killing for ideology is a-ok with you, because yours, unlike all the others, is the one true one worth killing for.

[/quote]

Did not say you were a Nazi. You have an inordinate reservoir of empathy and ability to relate to them. “Ordinary guys”… That’s rich. Moral relativism doesn’t work with me bro. let it go. Not worth you trying to convince me as long as I have a functioning central nervous system. Perhaps you will calm down if you rent the movie Schindler’s List and watch it backwards. You’ll like the ending bro.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
…what’s ironic and easily forgotten is that much, if not virtually all, of america’s rocket technology, it’s jetfighter technology and space exploration advances are based on Nazi science. Von Braun and Heisenberg, among many others german scientists, started to work for the Allies after Germany was defeated. America owes much to Nazi Germany… [/quote]

Muxh more than that, teh Nazis practically invented political propaganda, the creating of modern political mass events.

If you look at Americas political imagery they have a very German twist to it.

Most Europeans do not do that because they shy away from the mania and air of grandiosity, but the Americans desperately need to be convinced that they are special, just like the Germans were back then.

It is all most interesting.

Maybe that was so bad about 9-11. It destroyed the narcissistic illusion that America could kick without being kicked back, because after all they were Roman citizens, demi Gods among mere men.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.

That would take immeasurable courage.

Doing what you believe must be done for the greater good of your family, friends, society and country, at the cost of your own psychic well-being, takes guts.

…and then they said those who flew planes in buildings were cowards…

[/quote]

Ah the mythical “they”.

mike

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Twain should have stuck to lighthearted fiction.[/quote]

You know it’s right, we don’t have the luxury of a perfect weapon. I’m not saying intervention isn’t needed though.

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[quote]Tokoya wrote:

Did not say you were a Nazi. You have an inordinate reservoir of empathy and ability to relate to them. “Ordinary guys”… That’s rich. Moral relativism doesn’t work with me bro. let it go. Not worth you trying to convince me as long as I have a functioning central nervous system. Perhaps you will calm down if you rent the movie Schindler’s List and watch it backwards. You’ll like the ending bro. [/quote]

Look, either half of Germany went hardcore sociopath on us because of mysterious cosmic rays in early 1930 or it can happen anywhere, anytime.

Do you really think that when it comes to America it will wear a mustache and have a German accent?

And there is no moral relativism there, your killing is as good or bad as theirs at least as far as the victims are concerned.

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Orion, I wouldn’t bother, it is very hard to see from the inside the indoctrination that goes from through the US school system through sporting events to the political razmatas.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Tokoya wrote:

Did not say you were a Nazi. You have an inordinate reservoir of empathy and ability to relate to them. “Ordinary guys”… That’s rich. Moral relativism doesn’t work with me bro. let it go. Not worth you trying to convince me as long as I have a functioning central nervous system. Perhaps you will calm down if you rent the movie Schindler’s List and watch it backwards. You’ll like the ending bro.

Look, either half of Germany went hardcore sociopath on us because of mysterious cosmic rays in early 1930 or it can happen anywhere, anytime.

Do you really think that when it comes to America it will wear a mustache and have a German accent?

And there is no moral relativism there, your killing is as good or bad as theirs at least as far as the victims are concerned.

[/quote]

Can’t do it bro. Can’t compare concentration camps to civillian casualties. Need to take a break to make dinner and hit the gym. I get the sense you don’t even lift, rather just post alot of pro nazi stuff eh?

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Orion, I wouldn’t bother, it is very hard to see from the inside the indoctrination that goes from through the US school system through sporting events to the political razmatas.[/quote]

But I do not even want or expect them to agree with me but they simply must know that all this flag waving and “thank you for serving” by no means goes without saying.

We don’t do that.

We are also not under the illusion that unless our military regularly slaughters someone somewhere we “lose our freedom” or shit like that.

I am at lest as free as they are and the best I can come up with is our police killing an alleged Nigerian drug dealer and I somehow doubt that that made me any more free.

Have you seen the BS lyrics of that song?

Had there been one more flag with stars in the video it might have imploded and created a universe of pure American awesomeness.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Orion, I wouldn’t bother…[/quote]

He should keep saying it over and over again with the moral conviction it deserves.

Orion is one of the few who gets it…and it is funny to watch everyone trip over themselves with historical “facts” to try and put him in his place.

Amateurs!

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[quote]Tokoya wrote:
orion wrote:
Tokoya wrote:

Did not say you were a Nazi. You have an inordinate reservoir of empathy and ability to relate to them. “Ordinary guys”… That’s rich. Moral relativism doesn’t work with me bro. let it go. Not worth you trying to convince me as long as I have a functioning central nervous system. Perhaps you will calm down if you rent the movie Schindler’s List and watch it backwards. You’ll like the ending bro.

Look, either half of Germany went hardcore sociopath on us because of mysterious cosmic rays in early 1930 or it can happen anywhere, anytime.

Do you really think that when it comes to America it will wear a mustache and have a German accent?

And there is no moral relativism there, your killing is as good or bad as theirs at least as far as the victims are concerned.

Can’t do it bro. Can’t compare concentration camps to civillian casualties. Need to take a break to make dinner and hit the gym. I get the sense you don’t even lift, rather just post alot of pro nazi stuff eh?[/quote]

Sure.

The Nazi in me abhors mindless killing in the name of ideology, especially when it comes to killing semitic people.

Now that you have enlightened me it all makes sense.

USA, USA, and so further and so on.

Better?