9/11 Is Not Earth Day!

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Yes, let’s remember the day when a planeful from “the home of the brave” got overrun by a half dozen guys with box cutters twice over.

mike[/quote]

Why not? What do you do? Try to overpower them, at which point they blow up the plane, killing everyone onboard because someone wanted to play hero? Or, do you let them land and wait for negotiators and tactical units to try and maximize a positive outcome?

Before you say that this wasn’t what was happening…Yeah, now we know. And we know one plane’s passengers, that were informed of what was really happening, did fight back. But, before that, there was little reason to doubt the advice that cooperation in the air was the best policy. Now we know, and they know it.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Yes, let’s remember the day when a planeful from “the home of the brave” got overrun by a half dozen guys with box cutters twice over.

mike

Why not? What do you do? Try to overpower them, at which point they blow up the plane, killing everyone onboard because someone wanted to play hero? Or, do you let them land and wait for negotiators and tactical units to try and maximize a positive outcome?

Before you say that this wasn’t what was happening…Yeah, now we know. And we know one plane’s passengers, that were informed of what was really happening, did fight back. But, before that, there was little reason to doubt the advice that cooperation in the air was the best policy. Now we know, and they know it. [/quote]

I’m not going to say that I would have the balls to step up and fight. But if I didn’t, I wouldn’t want to be held up as an example. I’m in the middle of the Vandals/Huskies game, I’ll get you point for point on this afterwards.

mike

ANYBODY who knows how to fly a commercial passenger jet is preferable at the controls UNLESS you are already pretty damn sure they intend to crash it.

Think for a minute. Let’s say you overpower the assailants and gain control of the cockpit. I have a scene from Airplane in mind. [quote]BTW, is there anybody onboard who knows how to fly a plane?[/quote]

What if YOU then crash the frickin thing while their trying to talk you down leaving the world to wonder whether all those people would still be alive if you had just cooperated?

Talking about what IIII would have done is the pinnacle of self aggrandizing bullshit. Nobody knows WTF they would have done if faced with these situations while they were happening.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
So how exactly would you like it to be remembered?

They don’t still celebrate Pearl Harbor Day. All things pass. Time goes on. Get the fuck over it.

I’m with you Irish. Shit happens. I’m tired of people telling me how to feel about today. My first though when people bring it up is “what are you selling”? (in a political sense)

Exactly. I’m tired of all the bullshit. It happened. People died. But it’s been nearly a decade (fuck I’m getting old). Let’s move on. [/quote]

“Get the fuck over it” " Let’s move on" Can’t imagine having the balls or complete lack of fucking empathy to say that to the face of anyone who lost a loved one, friend or family member that day.

I think we should never forget what happened on 9-11-01. Watching those towers fall, people jumping and the havoc imposed, affirms my belief that the only thing we need to “Get the fuck over” is the fact we waterboarded a few of those that were involved in the planning of it. How about we drop the debate on on waterboarding.

Yes, let’s get over that first.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
So how exactly would you like it to be remembered?

They don’t still celebrate Pearl Harbor Day. All things pass. Time goes on. Get the fuck over it.

Irish, fuck you and the sodomized donkey you rode in on. You truly are a worthless little twit. One of these days I might have to meet you in a Pennsylvania field or near a large hole in the ground in Manhattan and put you on your knees while I piss down the back of your neck.

Ah, such a shameless attempt to use the death of 3000 people to call for the slaughter of innocent people.

Wow, I could not imagine how I felt if I ever prostituted myself like that.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Before another one of you contemptible assholes says something despicable just remember we have at least one loyal TN member here who lost his father in one of the towers eight years ago. Keep that in mind and temper your judgment when it comes to posting on this thread.

And Orion, you are unworthy to comment here. No one called for the slaughter of innocents, you asinine sack of shit.[/quote]

Really?

You might want to listen to the fucking links you post.

Oh well, here are the lyrics:

I hear people saying we don’t need this war
I say there’s some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground?
We didn’t get to keep 'em by backing down
They say we don’t realize the mess we’re getting in
Before you start preaching
Let me ask you this my friend

CHORUS 1
Have you forgotten how it felt that day
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away?
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside
Going through a living hell
And you say we shouldn’t worry 'bout Bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it’s too disturbing for you and me
It’ll just breed anger that’s what the experts say
If it was up to me I’d show it every day
Some say this country’s just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I’d have to say that’s right

CHORUS 1
Have you forgotten how it felt that day
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away?
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside
Going through a living hell
And we vowed to get the ones behind Bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

I’ve been there with the soldiers
Who’ve gone away to war
And you can bet that they remember
Just what they’re fighting for

CHORUS 2
Have you forgotten all the people killed?
Yes, some went down like heroes in that Pennsylvania field
Have you forgotten about our Pentagon?
All the loved ones that we lost
And those left to carry on
Don’t you tell me not to worry 'bout Bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten?
Have you forgotten?

edit:

8888!

That is such a lucky number!

At least for the Chinese!

And, lets face it, this is their century!

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Yes, let’s remember the day when a planeful from “the home of the brave” got overrun by a half dozen guys with box cutters twice over.

mike

Why not? What do you do? Try to overpower them, at which point they blow up the plane, killing everyone onboard because someone wanted to play hero? Or, do you let them land and wait for negotiators and tactical units to try and maximize a positive outcome?

Before you say that this wasn’t what was happening…Yeah, now we know. And we know one plane’s passengers, that were informed of what was really happening, did fight back. But, before that, there was little reason to doubt the advice that cooperation in the air was the best policy. Now we know, and they know it. [/quote]

Alright Sloth, here’s where I’m coming from:

There’s an attitude here only display in two of those planes that has been made worse post-9/11. What I’m talking about is this concept that we need to all just sit down and let our “betters” deal with the situation.

Perhaps they said they had a bomb on the plane. I don’t know. But is it hard to believe that a planeful of Americans would acquiesce to a couple of guys with boxcutters? I can’t speak for bombs on planes, I just let emotion get the best of me on this because the death of a bunch of innocents has resulted in Americans acting like cowards.

I was pro-Iraq. I advocated an invasion of Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban in '98. But we’re in a place now where we shout “never forget” and call it Patriots Day. Did you know we already had Patriots Day? It was April 19th, Lexington and Concord Day. Good job forgetting that day guys. And for what?

I’m sure plenty of ardent patriots died on that day, but this should be a day to memorialize massacre of innocent civilians. How does being a victim make you a patriot?

What has been the result of 9/11? We’ve mandated that incandescent light bulbs be illegal for fuck’s sake. The justification of course was based on energy conservation which helps keep us from importing foreign oil.

You know, supporting the terrorists. Americans have bowed down to authority everywhere it wishes to pop out its head. We blow rogue cops because they wear a uniform. We excuse human rights violations because it’s done by people in uniform. This circle jerk has been expanded since 9/11. We expand a liberty violating drug war in the name of fighting terrorism. The DEA raids poppy fields in AFGHANISTAN.

WE the people accept Marines manning DUI checkpoints in CA. We let DEA agents in ninja uniforms kick doors down against non-violent hippies. We accept guardsmen policing in Alabama or taking our guns in New Orleans. We go through the dog and pony show of the TSA and thank DHS members for their “service”.

We’ve transformed the very concept of patriotism away from our founding principles and transplanted it onto a piece of cloth.

I’m sick of it. I had people come up to me and shake my hand and shout from the rooftops that “Freedom isn’t free”. No it isn’t free. And these people who wrap themselves in the flag shaking my hand are the first to knock me for talking about out of control government and pathetic kneeling to authority.

I don’t know how many times I was called a coward for this until I mention that I’m a Marine. Then they’d backtrack and start being respectful. You’d about watch their heads explode because their two worldviews were colliding.

Why was I getting this respect for being a Marine? Because of the 9/11 uniform blowfest. It’s pathetic and degrading to us as a people. This, this was the result of 9/11.

So yes, I want to forget 9/11. I want to stop seeing flags at half mast. In this man’s America we’d fly the flag even higher. We’d never fly half-mast in this man’s America. In this man’s America we’d fight for human rights worldwide because it’s the right thing to do, not out of fear of a few dipshits in caves overseas.

Oh yeah, and let’s not forget how here in America we will honor the tragedy of 9/11 in a most patriotic way: my emminent domaining an unwilling man’s land. Freedom ain’t free indeed. A lot of good people died on 9/11, and their memories are being prostituted in the advancement of tyranny. That is not something to memorialize. That is not something to wave your flag about.

Semper Fidelis, even if the rest of the country isn’t.

mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Yes, let’s remember the day when a planeful from “the home of the brave” got overrun by a half dozen guys with box cutters twice over.

mike

Why not? What do you do? Try to overpower them, at which point they blow up the plane, killing everyone onboard because someone wanted to play hero? Or, do you let them land and wait for negotiators and tactical units to try and maximize a positive outcome?

Before you say that this wasn’t what was happening…Yeah, now we know. And we know one plane’s passengers, that were informed of what was really happening, did fight back. But, before that, there was little reason to doubt the advice that cooperation in the air was the best policy. Now we know, and they know it.

Alright Sloth, here’s where I’m coming from:

There’s an attitude here only display in two of those planes that has been made worse post-9/11. What I’m talking about is this concept that we need to all just sit down and let our “betters” deal with the situation.

Perhaps they said they had a bomb on the plane. I don’t know. But is it hard to believe that a planeful of Americans would acquiesce to a couple of guys with boxcutters? I can’t speak for bombs on planes, I just let emotion get the best of me on this because the death of a bunch of innocents has resulted in Americans acting like cowards.

I was pro-Iraq. I advocated an invasion of Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban in '98. But we’re in a place now where we shout “never forget” and call it Patriots Day. Did you know we already had Patriots Day? It was April 19th, Lexington and Concord Day. Good job forgetting that day guys. And for what?

I’m sure plenty of ardent patriots died on that day, but this should be a day to memorialize massacre of innocent civilians. How does being a victim make you a patriot?

What has been the result of 9/11? We’ve mandated that incandescent light bulbs be illegal for fuck’s sake. The justification of course was based on energy conservation which helps keep us from importing foreign oil.

You know, supporting the terrorists. Americans have bowed down to authority everywhere it wishes to pop out its head. We blow rogue cops because they wear a uniform. We excuse human rights violations because it’s done by people in uniform. This circle jerk has been expanded since 9/11. We expand a liberty violating drug war in the name of fighting terrorism. The DEA raids poppy fields in AFGHANISTAN.

WE the people accept Marines manning DUI checkpoints in CA. We let DEA agents in ninja uniforms kick doors down against non-violent hippies. We accept guardsmen policing in Alabama or taking our guns in New Orleans. We go through the dog and pony show of the TSA and thank DHS members for their “service”.

We’ve transformed the very concept of patriotism away from our founding principles and transplanted it onto a piece of cloth.

I’m sick of it. I had people come up to me and shake my hand and shout from the rooftops that “Freedom isn’t free”. No it isn’t free. And these people who wrap themselves in the flag shaking my hand are the first to knock me for talking about out of control government and pathetic kneeling to authority.

I don’t know how many times I was called a coward for this until I mention that I’m a Marine. Then they’d backtrack and start being respectful. You’d about watch their heads explode because their two worldviews were colliding.

Why was I getting this respect for being a Marine? Because of the 9/11 uniform blowfest. It’s pathetic and degrading to us as a people. This, this was the result of 9/11.

So yes, I want to forget 9/11. I want to stop seeing flags at half mast. In this man’s America we’d fly the flag even higher. We’d never fly half-mast in this man’s America. In this man’s America we’d fight for human rights worldwide because it’s the right thing to do, not out of fear of a few dipshits in caves overseas.

Oh yeah, and let’s not forget how here in America we will honor the tragedy of 9/11 in a most patriotic way: my emminent domaining an unwilling man’s land. Freedom ain’t free indeed. A lot of good people died on 9/11, and their memories are being prostituted in the advancement of tyranny. That is not something to memorialize. That is not something to wave your flag about.

Semper Fidelis, even if the rest of the country isn’t.

mike

[/quote]

I’ve made several false starts at a response. Frankly, I’m not sure that I can respond to this. There really isn’t anything I can say. We’d have a few disagreements, and a few agreements maybe. I guess I’m saying I really don’t know how and where to begin.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
<<< An excellent clarification >>>[/quote]

I now understand. Like when Jessica Lynch was hailed as a hero with a parade just for coming home alive after getting her ungrateful ass captured and then suing the people who rescued her (indirectly I guess) I might add.

My fear is as the sting fades our guard comes down which is without a doubt already in full swing and we get hit again. As disagreeable as losing more citizens would be, it’s our diminishing status that worries me even more. I’d rather be hated and feared than loved and shit on.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Yes, let’s remember the day when a planeful from “the home of the brave” got overrun by a half dozen guys with box cutters twice over.

mike

Why not? What do you do? Try to overpower them, at which point they blow up the plane, killing everyone onboard because someone wanted to play hero? Or, do you let them land and wait for negotiators and tactical units to try and maximize a positive outcome?

Before you say that this wasn’t what was happening…Yeah, now we know. And we know one plane’s passengers, that were informed of what was really happening, did fight back. But, before that, there was little reason to doubt the advice that cooperation in the air was the best policy. Now we know, and they know it.

Alright Sloth, here’s where I’m coming from:

There’s an attitude here only display in two of those planes that has been made worse post-9/11. What I’m talking about is this concept that we need to all just sit down and let our “betters” deal with the situation.

Perhaps they said they had a bomb on the plane. I don’t know. But is it hard to believe that a planeful of Americans would acquiesce to a couple of guys with boxcutters? I can’t speak for bombs on planes, I just let emotion get the best of me on this because the death of a bunch of innocents has resulted in Americans acting like cowards.

I was pro-Iraq. I advocated an invasion of Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban in '98. But we’re in a place now where we shout “never forget” and call it Patriots Day. Did you know we already had Patriots Day?

It was April 19th, Lexington and Concord Day. Good job forgetting that day guys. And for what? I’m sure plenty of ardent patriots died on that day, but this should be a day to memorialize massacre of innocent civilians. How does being a victim make you a patriot?

What has been the result of 9/11? We’ve mandated that incandescent light bulbs be illegal for fuck’s sake. The justification of course was based on energy conservation which helps keep us from importing foreign oil.

You know, supporting the terrorists. Americans have bowed down to authority everywhere it wishes to pop out its head. We blow rogue cops because they wear a uniform. We excuse human rights violations because it’s done by people in uniform. This circle jerk has been expanded since 9/11.

We expand a liberty violating drug war in the name of fighting terrorism. The DEA raids poppy fields in AFGHANISTAN.

WE the people accept Marines manning DUI checkpoints in CA. We let DEA agents in ninja uniforms kick doors down against non-violent hippies. We accept guardsmen policing in Alabama or taking our guns in New Orleans. We go through the dog and pony show of the TSA and thank DHS members for their “service”.

We’ve transformed the very concept of patriotism away from our founding principles and transplanted it onto a piece of cloth.

I’m sick of it. I had people come up to me and shake my hand and shout from the rooftops that “Freedom isn’t free”. No it isn’t free. And these people who wrap themselves in the flag shaking my hand are the first to knock me for talking about out of control government and pathetic kneeling to authority.

I don’t know how many times I was called a coward for this until I mention that I’m a Marine. Then they’d backtrack and start being respectful. You’d about watch their heads explode because their two worldviews were colliding. Why was I getting this respect for being a Marine? Because of the 9/11 uniform blowfest. It’s pathetic and degrading to us as a people. This, this was the result of 9/11.

So yes, I want to forget 9/11. I want to stop seeing flags at half mast. In this man’s America we’d fly the flag even higher. We’d never fly half-mast in this man’s America. In this man’s America we’d fight for human rights worldwide because it’s the right thing to do, not out of fear of a few dipshits in caves overseas.

Oh yeah, and let’s not forget how here in America we will honor the tragedy of 9/11 in a most patriotic way: my emminent domaining an unwilling man’s land.

Freedom ain’t free indeed. A lot of good people died on 9/11, and their memories are being prostituted in the advancement of tyranny. That is not something to memorialize. That is not something to wave your flag about.

Semper Fidelis, even if the rest of the country isn’t.

mike

[/quote]

As an ex marine myself, I agree with you. I have quite a lot of leftwingers around me and while they realize this is happening, they simply bitch about it and really offer no solution. Then, if they see me veterans day I get this sheepish smile, limp handshake and a “thank you for your service”.

Trust me you asshats. i did’nt you in mind while I put my 8 years in. I did it because I love my country and I thought that service at least had a little bit to do with perserving our liberties and rights as Americans.
Semper FI

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering;

on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by;

nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country,

and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener. It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

Sunday morning came – next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams – visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!

Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths.

The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation:

God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest! Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!

Then came the “long” prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work;

bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory –

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness.

With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher’s side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued with his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, “Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”

The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside – which the startled minister did – and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:

“I come from the Throne – bearing a message from Almighty God!” The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. "He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import – that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of – except he pause and think.

"God’s servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two – one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him Who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this – keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor’s crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

"You have heard your servant’s prayer – the uttered part of it. I am commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it – that part which the pastor – and also you in your hearts – fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: ‘Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!’ That is sufficient. the whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory–must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle – be Thou near them! With them – in spirit – we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it – for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(After a pause.) “Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits!”

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.

Twain should have stuck to lighthearted fiction.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’d rather be hated and feared than loved and shit on.[/quote]

The way we’re going we’re going to be hated and shit on.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
orion wrote:

Some say this country’s just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I’d have to say that’s right

So the worthless grandson of a butchering Nazi cocksucker wants to lecture Americans about “having the right” to "look for a fight after 9/11? Hmmmmmm…a bit of a paradox going on here…maybe you should’ve viewed the video and you would’ve noticed Bin Laden’s portrait was used throughout. No “innocents” were featured nor intended in those lyrics, Herr hakenkreuz imprÃ?¤gniert schwein.

[/quote]

Well of course they would not show the pictures of the children they will cowardly kill from 30000 feet above.

I think you have some problems with the idea of propaganda.

Maybe that is why you do not recognize it when it practically bits you in the ass.

[quote]Unaware wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I’d rather be hated and feared than loved and shit on.

The way we’re going we’re going to be hated and shit on.[/quote]

Indeed

[quote]orion wrote:
pushharder wrote:
orion wrote:

Some say this country’s just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I’d have to say that’s right

So the worthless grandson of a butchering Nazi cocksucker wants to lecture Americans about “having the right” to "look for a fight after 9/11? Hmmmmmm…a bit of a paradox going on here…maybe you should’ve viewed the video and you would’ve noticed Bin Laden’s portrait was used throughout. No “innocents” were featured nor intended in those lyrics, Herr hakenkreuz imprÃ??Ã?¤gniert schwein.

Well of course they would not show the pictures of the children they will cowardly kill from 30000 feet above.

I think you have some problems with the idea of propaganda.

Maybe that is why you do not recognize it when it practically bits you in the ass.
[/quote]

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?

[quote]Tokoya wrote:
orion wrote:
pushharder wrote:
orion wrote:

Some say this country’s just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I’d have to say that’s right

So the worthless grandson of a butchering Nazi cocksucker wants to lecture Americans about “having the right” to "look for a fight after 9/11? Hmmmmmm…a bit of a paradox going on here…maybe you should’ve viewed the video and you would’ve noticed Bin Laden’s portrait was used throughout. No “innocents” were featured nor intended in those lyrics, Herr hakenkreuz imprÃ???Ã??Ã?¤gniert schwein.

Well of course they would not show the pictures of the children they will cowardly kill from 30000 feet above.

I think you have some problems with the idea of propaganda.

Maybe that is why you do not recognize it when it practically bits you in the ass.

Just to clarify, you are calling the pilots / airforce & service men and women “cowardly” correct?

You think that they are intentionally targeting innocents?[/quote]

No.

But I think that they know what will undoubtedly happen before they start their training that lasts for years.

They own that decision and every time they get into a cockpit and just follow orders they know what must happen if they do it often enough.