Is it really that hard to believe that the government doesn’t always have the citizen’s best interests in mind?
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Why do people respond to the idea that the 9/11 attacks may have been orchestrated by someone other than Bin Laden with the ferver of a fundamentalist Muslim defending a literal interpretation of the Koran? Its like the second you mention something that challenges what they’ve heard (cus thats all any of this is, “what you’ve heard” from the media, you don’t know shit) they put up a wall and refuse to think.
Bombs were detonated in the building before the plane hit. This cannot be disputed.
Support beams at the bottom were cut with thermite. This too is fact.
Building 7? Really? Nothing even fucking hit it? And it still fell? Okay.
People seem to have this obsession with polar opposites either it was a complete inside job or it was terrorists, why couldn’t it be an inside job involving terrorist? The government did have knowledge that something was going on and they did nothing to prevent it, maybe one day we can say for certain what happened that day, but one thing I can say for sure it wasn’t a mounted attack that came out of left field.
Everyone likes to talk about how they would do the right thing, but at the cost of your life?
Is it really that hard to believe that the government doesn’t always have the citizen’s best interests in mind?
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Why do people respond to the idea that the 9/11 attacks may have been orchestrated by someone other than Bin Laden with the ferver of a fundamentalist Muslim defending a literal interpretation of the Koran? Its like the second you mention something that challenges what they’ve heard (cus thats all any of this is, “what you’ve heard” from the media, you don’t know shit) they put up a wall and refuse to think.
Bombs were detonated in the building before the plane hit. This cannot be disputed.
Support beams at the bottom were cut with thermite. This too is fact.
Building 7? Really? Nothing even fucking hit it? And it still fell? Okay.
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Umm where are these facts coming from? I mean really? I have never heard of any 911 calls being made before the plane hit saying ‘an explosion just occured in one of the towers’. I could be wrong but if I was at work and a explosion happened id have to think that I wouldnt shrug my shoulders and say “oh well”.
Yeah I agree that some things might not add up but what I saw on tv was a large twin engine commercial jet liner packed with hundreds of gallons of aviation fuel slam into a high rise at several hundred miles an hour, igniting a huge inferno which burned for over an hour causeing the structure to weaken enough to collapse on itself. Sometimes it blows my mind that people can actually see that with thier own eyes and say ‘well if thats what ya think brought it down…’
God bless these men, courageous souls and my respects goes out to them! Here is the proof of explosions at the twin towers. Look without explosives, if your theory holds true that it was just jet fuel how do you explain the following: the twin towers fell so fast (almost exact free fall speed), now would you agree with me that when an object collides with another object that they do not speed up, but in fact slow down.
Well the towers did the exact opposite when they fell, they fell at such a speed where no slowing down occurred, how can this be possible with fuel not even capable of reaching the melting point of the steel trusses that the towers were made out of?
[quote]thefatlineman wrote:
who gives a fuck anymore…bush is an idiot regardless…an the U.S government is a joke period…especially here in california…it happen get over it…i lost family members over seas all because people are ridiculously stupid in this country…if anything we shoulda just bombed them fuckin hodgies in the first place…oil…i mean money makes the world go round
i blame everyone who voted for bush in 2000 for the past 8 years…Gore wouldve done alot better…but still like i said the U.S government is fucked[/quote]
Gore would have done worse fool. how old are you 18?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The two reasons why government conspiracies are bullshit:
You are assuming 1) the government can do anything right and 2) the government can keep a secret.
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EXACTLY!!! This is the government who gave us social security etc. and you think they can pull this off with no one spilling the beans. take the tin foil hat off.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Wiffy19 wrote:
Must you finish every post with such vocabulary? May be you should try to use words that aren’t so “average”. Like I said earlier, I’m sure your headaches are caused by the insane amount of knowledge being crammed inside your tiny head. Average people such as myself cannot possibly understand what you are going through. I’m not trying prove you right or wrong, just saying that an open mind never hurt anyone. Everyone has a theory which they believe, you have yours and I have mine. Until those theories get proven either right or wrong with facts, we both have no right to bash each other or anyone else.
Wait I see it now… you were merely signing your post with “douchebag”… how could I have missed that.
An open mind? To 9/11 conspiracy theories?
Sure. I’ll believe that shit right after I have a beer with the aliens that crashed in Roswell and dig Jimmy Hoffa’s body out of the end zone in Giants stadium.[/quote]
Personally, i think Roswell and Hoffa are more likely.
[quote]nik133 wrote:
God bless these men, courageous souls and my respects goes out to them! Here is the proof of explosions at the twin towers. Look without explosives, if your theory holds true that it was just jet fuel how do you explain the following: the twin towers fell so fast (almost exact free fall speed), now would you agree with me that when an object collides with another object that they do not speed up, but in fact slow down. Well the towers did the exact opposite when they fell, they fell at such a speed where no slowing down occurred, how can this be possible with fuel not even capable of reaching the melting point of the steel trusses that the towers were made out of?
Live news reports of secondary explosions
Of course I would ageee. Again im not saying that some things make total sense. On to your points. One thing to remember is that the trusses never had to actually melt. If they were weakened to a certain point, which the fires could have done, they would not have been able to support the hundreds of tons of steel and concrete still above it.
Plus with every foot that it falls there is that much more weight added to the mass that is falling and that much less below it to support it. Again just my observation.
To everyone who is arguing this point: Your argument of someone spilling the beans seems to keep getting brought up, if you are going to debate someone who has quite a few points, I would think that it would be in your side’s best interest to have more then one point.
While I do see what you are saying about someone spilling the beans, think of it this way: how many ever people were involved in some way on the events that transpired that day are pretty much in the clear. It has been 8 years and not one person has been punished for the countless errors that occurred on 9/11.
At this point coming out and telling would cost you your life, either from the people that are involved in this cover up or the public who would be outraged that someone could commit this crime against their own country. There are people that are trying to get the truth out there, but simply because it isn’t George Bush coming out and saying he did it, doesn’t mean you should dismiss their point.
If you have any other points to bring up, I will do my best to present my side of the coin, I just ask that when you are posting your side that you keep an open mind and don’t have an attitude of “my way or the highway.”
[quote]Buff HardBack wrote:
nik133 wrote:
God bless these men, courageous souls and my respects goes out to them! Here is the proof of explosions at the twin towers. Look without explosives, if your theory holds true that it was just jet fuel how do you explain the following: the twin towers fell so fast (almost exact free fall speed), now would you agree with me that when an object collides with another object that they do not speed up, but in fact slow down. Well the towers did the exact opposite when they fell, they fell at such a speed where no slowing down occurred, how can this be possible with fuel not even capable of reaching the melting point of the steel trusses that the towers were made out of?
Live news reports of secondary explosions
Of course I would ageee. Again im not saying that some things make total sense. On to your points. One thing to remember is that the trusses never had to actually melt. If they were weakened to a certain point, which the fires could have done, they would not have been able to support the hundreds of tons of steel and concrete still above it. Plus with every foot that it falls there is that much more weight added to the mass that is falling and that much less below it to support it. Again just my observation.[/quote]
I understand what you are saying, but again you can clearly see explosions, hear reports of explosions, hear radio messages sent that there are explosions happening.
I just think that people need to keep an open mind and after the countless “coincidences” that seemed to take place, wouldn’t you begin to think hey maybe something other then “terrorists” had to take place?
Just wondering (not trying to be a smart ass), why don’t you beleive that it was an inside job (after the countless facts which have been presented vs the few that you have shown), have you ever seen the film Loose Change or any other films related to 9/11?
[quote]nik133 wrote:
Maybe it wasn’t an inside job, but the government (maybe not the majority, but the few higher ups) had at least some prior knowledge as to what was happening. Do you honestly think that with the amount of satellites and all the technology that America and Canada has that Osama is still managing to escape from them, if you give me 8 years and half the resources which the people looking for Osama have, I guarantee I can find any human being on this planet. Honestly if you want to keep throwing out the fact that how could they have kept this secret, then here are 40 reasons please try and explain everyone to me THE TOP 40 Reasons to Doubt the Official Story - 911Truth.Org and if you still want to throw out, but how could it be kept a secret look at 14 C.[/quote]
Don’t mistake this as apologizing for our government’s relative lack of success in destroying Bin Laden and Al Queada, but I think you’re overestimating the powers of Western technology.
If you had all of the resources and technology of the entire Western world at your disposal, and I was willing to live in a cave and eat dirt for the rest of my life, I wouldn’t even have to leave Oklahoma and you’d never be able to find me.
But let’s expand this a little bit. If I was able to hide in the wilderness of Central Asia, had a good little pile of resources of my own, and made judicious use of my own communication technology, I could hide an army of 50,000 and you’d never be able to do more than pick off a few here or there.
I, on the other hand, could continue doing almost whatever I wanted, short of direct confrontation with your army.
So to hold up the continued freedom of Bin Laden (if he’s even still alive, which is questionable) as evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is misguided.
[quote]nik133 wrote:
God bless these men, courageous souls and my respects goes out to them! Here is the proof of explosions at the twin towers. Look without explosives, if your theory holds true that it was just jet fuel how do you explain the following: the twin towers fell so fast (almost exact free fall speed), now would you agree with me that when an object collides with another object that they do not speed up, but in fact slow down.
Well the towers did the exact opposite when they fell, they fell at such a speed where no slowing down occurred, how can this be possible with fuel not even capable of reaching the melting point of the steel trusses that the towers were made out of?
Live news reports of secondary explosions
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I urge you to use your eyes properly. If the towers were falling at supposed “free fall” speed, why does the debris fall faster? In that video you posted it is clearly evident that the towers are falling much slower than free fall when compared to the debris (which is, actually, in free fall).
Honestly there is a million videos on this, what bothers people so much about this theory that they refuse to accept fact? - YouTube
I ask you this taken from the video, can a person walk through a closed door as smoothly as they can through an open door? (which is what happened when the towers fell since there was no resistance from the floors beneath them)
Here you wanted someone who is going to spill the beans and speak up about 9/11 well here you go:
Also watch this
It is amazing the fact that the American Government spent 100 million investigating Bill Clinton’s sexual activities and only 3 million in the murder of 3000 people.
Actually never mind Obama says not to question it, sorry about the disturbance.
I’m sure there are multiple things in the two towers that can cause explosions. Pressurized materials, and kind of fuel products. Cleaning chemicals, possibly. There was a whole lot of jet fuel in those planes. Something like 50,000 gallons. I’m sure there could be vapor building up and igniting due to electrical sparks, etc.
I think you people need to put on your tin foil hats. There are plenty other examples of things and times where the Feds overstepped their boundaries. Waco and Ruby Ridge come to mind. I would even buy a cover up or screw up at Oklahoma City before I would 911.
Let’s see, 19 BATF agents in the building, but none there when the explosion went off? Sounds funny to me. How about pictures of bomb squad vans parked close by before the explosion?
You can sell me a lot easier on the Feds screwing up capturing the bombing suspects in the act, before soemthign more complicated like 911. Life is not 24, there is not conspiracy in conspiracy out there.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m sure there are multiple things in the two towers that can cause explosions. Pressurized materials, and kind of fuel products. Cleaning chemicals, possibly. There was a whole lot of jet fuel in those planes. Something like 50,000 gallons. I’m sure there could be vapor building up and igniting due to electrical sparks, etc.
I think you people need to put on your tin foil hats. There are plenty other examples of things and times where the Feds overstepped their boundaries. Waco and Ruby Ridge come to mind. I would even buy a cover up or screw up at Oklahoma City before I would 911.
Let’s see, 19 BATF agents in the building, but none there when the explosion went off? Sounds funny to me. How about pictures of bomb squad vans parked close by before the explosion?
You can sell me a lot easier on the Feds screwing up capturing the bombing suspects in the act, before soemthign more complicated like 911. Life is not 24, there is not conspiracy in conspiracy out there.[/quote]
Well I guess you can choose to ignore all the reports of second explosions, the videos of second explosions and even the countless individuals who stated that there were second explosions, you can even say that it was cleaning supplies that exploded, and you call me crazy? Ok well I’m just some crazy old nut job conspiracy theory believing fool so it’s easy to pull one over on me, but can you please explain why Scientists have found nano-thermite explosive in the debris of the towers( http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM ), or was that from the cleaning supplies?
How could the towers have fallen near free fall speed without explosives?
If only 2 planes hit buildings that day, why did a 3rd building collapse?
Why do we only have a few frames of what is suppose to be a plane hitting the pentagon when the FBI confiscated video from nearby hotels that would clearly show what hit it?
Why has not one person been punished for the countless mistakes that occurred that day?
Finally what reason do you have to believe the official story?
Don’t forget the Muslim theory, nic…(and its serious)…
It was the Jews…because all the Jews were evacuated from the buildings prior to the collapse of the Towers.
Is somebody KIDDING about “why” there were secondary explosions in buildings that large…with everything from high pressure cooling and heating systems to the burning and eventual pressure caused by highly flammable building and insulation materials burning within confined spaces and pockets?
Then lets douse it all with thousands of pounds of Jet Fuel…aircraft oxygen cylinders…the list goes on and on and on related to why there were secondary explosions…
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Don’t forget the Muslim theory, nic…(and its serious)…
It was the Jews…because all the Jews were evacuated from the buildings prior to the collapse of the Towers.
Is somebody KIDDING about “why” there were secondary explosions in buildings that large…with everything from high pressure cooling and heating systems to the burning and eventual pressure caused by highly flammable building and insulation materials burning within confined spaces and pockets?
Then lets douse it all with thousands of pounds of Jet Fuel…aircraft oxygen cylinders…the list goes on and on and on related to why there were secondary explosions…
Unbelievable.
Mufasa[/quote]
I’m not an architect or an engineer, but can you explain what a high pressure heating or cooling system is? And how exactly is it supposed to explode into a ball of flame? The only pressurized heating system I know of is hot water, and I don’t think they burst into flames when the pipes rupture, you know due to them being filled with water. Secondly, I think filling the towers with a water heating system would add too much weight, most likley they had forced air furnaces on each floor. I’m sure we could stop speculating and get the engeneering reports of the building and ask some experts to analyze it all though. Oh wait, you mean that has already been done too? By over 680 architects and engineers? Interesting, I wonder what thier views are on the official story.
Here is 2 videos where AE911truth gets NIST to revise the Freefall theory of Building 7. Oh was somebody saying the freefall thing was all bullshit, oh well maybe you should tell NIST that because now even they admit it. No tinfoil hat required, just a basic understanding of science.
