So are you aiming for that many calories every day? Do you do more on some days than others?
How long is this planned bulk? What are the end goals?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
That is a truly impressive amount of food, and I’m not here to argue about whether it’s healthy or necessary 'cause it’s obviously working, but even if those meals worked out to just $5 apiece [and there’s no way they’re that cheap] you’re still spending $150 a week minimum on eating out. That’s a lot of dough.[/quote]
Some people are into cars and will spend more than that on Gas and other things a week. If you need to eat that much and you really want to bodybuild then you will need to spend more money on food.[/quote]
I spend about $60-$80 a week on food [not counting going out], the same on gas, on top of car note, rent, gym, insurance, cell phone, internet, etc… Buying that much food a day all from takeout places is completely unrealistic for tha average person.[/quote]
He already addressed this, but it’s worth pointing out again: Food in Taiwan is cheap as shit, so you can’t make a relevant comparison to someone eating out stateside. I only know about Taiwan based on what he’s saying, but go to China and you could eat out every meal without ever spending more than a few bucks a day.
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Frank can you explain the snorting creatine thing? I did a search and I can find nothing even resembling a post about snorting it… Was it just a joke or is there an actual reason behind it?[/quote]
LOL
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So are you aiming for that many calories every day? Do you do more on some days than others?
How long is this planned bulk? What are the end goals?[/quote]
I’ve been doing this for 2 months. I can’t decide whether to start cutting now or continue. Even without some serious cutting, I am thinking about a deload 2 week period though, where I cut the calorie by 1/3 and lift 3-4 times a week instead of 5. What do you guys here think?
complete shoulder day work out
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
What do you guys here think? [/quote]
Dear Matt Ogus,
are you still in Taiwan? If so, what are the regulations on gear? I assume they’re lax.
My advice: Shoot everything you can afford until you come back.
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So are you aiming for that many calories every day? Do you do more on some days than others?
How long is this planned bulk? What are the end goals?[/quote]
I’ve been doing this for 2 months. I can’t decide whether to start cutting now or continue. Even without some serious cutting, I am thinking about a deload 2 week period though, where I cut the calorie by 1/3 and lift 3-4 times a week instead of 5. What do you guys here think? [/quote]
It all depends on what your goals are but I don’t see any problem with continuing on with your current approach if you’re looking to put on more size.
You’ve gotten much bigger and haven’t put on any noticeable fat so I don’t really see the point in cutting now, but it’s all up to you.
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So are you aiming for that many calories every day? Do you do more on some days than others?
How long is this planned bulk? What are the end goals?[/quote]
I’ve been doing this for 2 months. I can’t decide whether to start cutting now or continue. Even without some serious cutting, I am thinking about a deload 2 week period though, where I cut the calorie by 1/3 and lift 3-4 times a week instead of 5. What do you guys here think? [/quote]
If I were in your situation, I’d probably keep pushing the bulk until I saw any negative changes (picking up an unreasonable amount of fat or bloat, etc.) then jump into the deload at that point to clean up. IMO, if what you’re doing is getting results, it’s best to avoid making changes until there is a decline in results/quality of results.
Gregron makes a good point though… where are you trying to go physique/performance wise?
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So are you aiming for that many calories every day? Do you do more on some days than others?
How long is this planned bulk? What are the end goals?[/quote]
I’ve been doing this for 2 months. I can’t decide whether to start cutting now or continue. Even without some serious cutting, I am thinking about a deload 2 week period though, where I cut the calorie by 1/3 and lift 3-4 times a week instead of 5. What do you guys here think? [/quote]
I would not yo-yo from such extremes, but rather start from a lean point and grow from there. Bump calories when necessary. But then you wont be a big mass and look “huge” in a t-shirt like the rest of the fellas here…so its your call.
Here’s some food for thought: a pregnant woman is recommended to consume 300-450 calories over her maintenance requirements. And she’s growing a human inside of her…how much do you think building muscle is going to require? Here’s a hint: less than that.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So are you aiming for that many calories every day? Do you do more on some days than others?
How long is this planned bulk? What are the end goals?[/quote]
I’ve been doing this for 2 months. I can’t decide whether to start cutting now or continue. Even without some serious cutting, I am thinking about a deload 2 week period though, where I cut the calorie by 1/3 and lift 3-4 times a week instead of 5. What do you guys here think? [/quote]
I would not yo-yo from such extremes, but rather start from a lean point and grow from there. Bump calories when necessary. But then you wont be a big mass and look “huge” in a t-shirt like the rest of the fellas here…so its your call.[/quote]
Dude, the insults are lame. LOL at “big mass” like no one else here looks like they train seriously.
Haha PX you are growing on me…but do you have a comment on the second part of my post?
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Haha PX you are growing on me…but do you have a comment on the second part of my post?[/quote]
No, I don’t. Most of your posts add very little to any thread you post in…and relating lifting weights to having a baby makes it clear you don’t have much of a background in the subject you are discussing.
If I thought a discussion with you would elevate the topic, then by all means, I would have more comments than this.
^^just an observation… But this comment and the one before it added nothing to Franks thread. You could have just ignored the initial little comment and avoided this derail in the first place.
Let’s stay on topic here.
Proud Virgin- that comment about a pregnant woman is interesting. I never really thought about that before but I do agree that a 500 calorie surpluss (granted that you’re macros are correct) should be sufficient for gaining muscle for most people.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^just an observation… But this comment and the one before it added nothing to Franks thread. You could have just ignored the initial little comment and avoided this derail in the first place.
Let’s stay on topic here.
Proud Virgin- that comment about a pregnant woman is interesting. I never really thought about that before but I do agree that a 500 calorie surpluss (granted that you’re macros are correct) should be sufficient for gaining muscle for most people.[/quote]
I agree, I think its very relevant. Plenty of women think that fat gain is inevitable when becoming pregnant…plenty of women also think they need to eat for two and end up overindulging. I’ve seen a few examples in real life and also among celebrities, of women that gave birth to a child with less than 10 pounds extra gained. How? By not eating too much above their caloric requirements.
I think muscle growth is the same way…it occurs slowly, and although we like to think that any and all food we eat goes to our growing muscles, food eaten beyond what our body needs will make us fat.
PX, I’m sorry that you feel that way about me. Since you seem to be versed in this subject matter, why not enlighten us on how growing a baby and growing new muscle tissue is different in terms of caloric needs? I promise I won’t call you a “big mass” anymore 
Even CT who advocates for gaining lean mass wrote in an article that you should be eating 800-1000cals over maintence for best muscle building. He said more than that is not needed.
That again jsut points out maintence calories varies between people. Just because a virgin grows at a 2500 cals doesnt mean everyone else does. I really do feel bad for the poor people that gain on such low calories. I would die eating that little. My stomach would shrivel.
I think its obvious that Frank’s maintence calories are much higher as he has been eating like this for 2 months without a large amount of fat gain.
As for what to do next its all dependant on goals long term and short term as to what the next step ought to be. But for the most part if fat gain is managable then why stop. Keep pushing until somethign stops working. “If it aint broke dont try and fix it”
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
That again jsut points out maintence calories varies between people. Just because a virgin grows at a 2500 cals doesnt mean everyone else does. I really do feel bad for the poor people that gain on such low calories. I would die eating that little. My stomach would shrivel.[/quote]
so you’d rather be in a situation where your requirement for growth exceeds your capacity? shouldn’t you be in favour of life being…“easier”???
For what it’s worth, I was up to 6000 kcals a day in college, not putting on fat, and barely gaining weight. But, I was lifting, swimming, and practicing with the wrestling club team at the time.
Edit: I was only 150/160 pounds then too.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
I agree, I think its very relevant. Plenty of women think that fat gain is inevitable when becoming pregnant…plenty of women also think they need to eat for two and end up overindulging. I’ve seen a few examples in real life and also among celebrities, of women that gave birth to a child with less than 10 pounds extra gained. How? By not eating too much above their caloric requirements.
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we’re kinda off topic here but I agree.
My sister in law just had her second baby on Monday. She had only gained 10-11 lbs at her last doctors appointment which was 3 weeks from her due date? I dont know exactly how much she ended up gaining total but the baby was 9lbs and 12oz. Pretty crazy when you think about all the fluid and other stuff taking up weight too… very interesting stuff.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
That again jsut points out maintence calories varies between people. Just because a virgin grows at a 2500 cals doesnt mean everyone else does. I really do feel bad for the poor people that gain on such low calories. I would die eating that little. My stomach would shrivel.
As for what to do next its all dependant on goals long term and short term as to what the next step ought to be. But for the most part if fat gain is managable then why stop. Keep pushing until somethign stops working. “If it aint broke dont try and fix it”[/quote]
^^EXACTLY!!!
My maintenance calories could be 2,800… but his (same height and weight theoretically) could be 5,500. With a caloric surplus that is the same he’d have to eat twice as much food as me to make the same progress.
Everyone is different. Pretty cool how the human body works.
Let me ask you this…you make it sound disadvantageous that I can grow on lower calories. Perhaps I am better suited for muscle gain than those that have to stuff themselves & force the food down to grow? If you have to eat 8,000 calories to build muscle perhaps this is not what your body was meant for. Meanwhile my body is eager to grow and is making efficient use of calories consumed.
Also I think eating little is great. Costs so much less + I spend less time eating/preparing foods. Not to mention it lets me have a life. I would hate to be someone that had to eat every 3 hours…how do you spend time with non-bodybuilders? “Hang on guys, just gotta get a meal in” LOL yeah right.
If I had to eat 4,000-5,000 calories day in day out just to make average progress, I would just say fuck it and quit.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So are you aiming for that many calories every day? Do you do more on some days than others?
How long is this planned bulk? What are the end goals?[/quote]
I’ve been doing this for 2 months. I can’t decide whether to start cutting now or continue. Even without some serious cutting, I am thinking about a deload 2 week period though, where I cut the calorie by 1/3 and lift 3-4 times a week instead of 5. What do you guys here think? [/quote]
I would not yo-yo from such extremes, but rather start from a lean point and grow from there. Bump calories when necessary. But then you wont be a big mass and look “huge” in a t-shirt like the rest of the fellas here…so its your call.
Here’s some food for thought: a pregnant woman is recommended to consume 300-450 calories over her maintenance requirements. And she’s growing a human inside of her…how much do you think building muscle is going to require? Here’s a hint: less than that.[/quote]
a baby also only weighs 7-9lbs and takes 9 months to grow LOL. if it takes a person 9 months to add 7-9lbs of mass to their frame, something is wrong.