57 lost a lot of weight and now trying to add muscle ! But I’m always in pain or fatigued

I know, and I doubt they will. But I look at it as a thought experiment that refines my thoughts, provides a new scenario to analyze, and occasionally benefits someone else, either the rare OP who listens or a lurker who gleans something.

So I don’t mind. This place is better than Facebook.

Pretty much anything is better than facebook IMO!!! :rofl:

It’s just frustrating when people want you to take time out of your day to help them but they give you nothing to go off of. Any answer that has been given so far has beena guess unless it was a question to the OP.

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If I remember correctly, there used to be a sticky in the beginners section that outlined what info to post.

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Well over the years id say 50% plus of the post on here are like that.

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Well, the community indoctrination is basically well-intentioned trauma bonding.

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Lmao

It sounds like ice cream is (partially) making up the missing calories, but being tired with aches and pains makes me think the icecream isn’t providing the Nutrients.

Cutting to the chase, I’m trying to steer this whole thing towards The Vertical Diet.

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I think you’re right. I figured that the OP is deficient in things (like when you are deficient in potassium, you crave potatoes and bananas,) and binge eating due to being anorexic during the day.

Vertical diet is a good direction.

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Get a clean well balanced diet and see if this corrects itself.

You need to clear all medical possibilities if a balanced clean diet doesn’t vastly improve your situation… This must be rectified if you have any hope of moving forward toward improved body composition.

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Guys your all right ! My diet sucks ; yet I want muscle gain lol
I’m going to take advice add some more meats, light carbs, and good fats.
The Semaglutide is Ozempic which cuts the craving for food down !
I’m substituting my addiction for ice cream and forgetting to get good proteins in.
But ; caveat ; adding too many carbs inflates me like a balloon.

So I should stick to the eggs, avacado’s and good lean meats ! I will add more muscle with weights and resistance vs all the cardio ! Thank you all I apologize if I was vague

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Always up!

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Who knows?? We don’t know what you are eating daily now. How can any changes be recommended. What carbs are you eating?
If you want help you as the OP need to put a little effort in here.

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I am a fan of a carnivore based nutrition approach. Vince Gorinda’s “Steak and eggs diet” would be an excellent crash course.

How much cardio are you doing?

i agree this is a good approach for someone who is experienced and uses it as a lifestyle but as a diet tool i think you set yourself up for failure down the road. For most this is not sustainable once they get to their goal and then they spiral out of control. I’ve watched this happen to a friend 2 times and now he wants to try again for a third time. He for some reason thinks his result will be different even though he has proven it’s not sustainable for him.

For those that find it non-sustainable, an exit strategy is a sound idea. Some plan to phase back in.

I actually find the phased approach more unsustainable myself. Far more nuance. My dad abandoned keto for that reason. Too much time spent cooking and cleaning.

But its why I talked about the Steak and Eggs diet: it has a timetable.

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Def agree with you. IMO this type of nutrition plan is best suited for those who are in tune with their body and it’s nutrition requirements.
I think when it’s used as a “diet” is where the trouble begins. This would go for any type of strategy that is biased toward a macro/food group.

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OP, congratulations on the weight loss!

That said, I’ll join the chorus of experienced folks here really telling you to find a path toward great nutrition habits.

It’s likely that the majority of your progress can be traced to your semaglutide use. This isn’t a knock on you or your success at all, but it is an important reality because one day you’ll likely transition off (most patients do or are at least intended to do so). If you maintain your current eating pattern, not to mention regain your appetite, without the drug, you’ll see the rebound we all see in the literature.

You’ve had a couple diets recommended. I don’t have a favorite, but let’s look at the consistencies:

  • High protein. There is a concept called “the protein leverage hypothesis” that basically says hit your targets or be doomed to keep eating. Real info here. I believe this to be on-point in my personal experience.
  • Nutrient-dense foods. Your body will absolutely have you keep eating until you fulfill your nutritional requirements. This is demonstrated in literature repeatedly and just makes biological sense.
  • Low-insulin meals. The insulin model of obesity isn’t proven, and probably isn’t real, so we aren’t saying carbs = bad here. However, some carbs will spike insulin more than others. When that happens, there’s a cascade of “not great;” for our case, it’s going to make you hungrier all the time. Apparently you get bloated, anyway, so reducing carbs should be great. That has to include ice cream, though.
  • Food quality over calorie counting. Everyone here is recommending you find better foods, rather than fit a specific calorie count. This will give you the greatest “base” for your future.

So, whether you go vertical diet, steak and eggs, etc., you’re following the rules above. They’re all great, but not all at the same time. So pick one, really give it its go (you won’t want to stick with it the first week, but then you’ll be fine), and assess after a couple months.

Also tagging @QuadQueen as a bonafide expert, but I don’t think any of us have really dropped anything controversial.

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There’s definitely a lot of super solid advice here. Nice job, guys!

I do agree with @s.gentz - I wouldn’t recommend a super restrictive approach. You need to find a way of eating that you can stick with. Also, since you’re on a GLP-1 medication - the protein and nutrient dense food choices are super important. When you do eat, make sure you choose foods that provide a lot of nutritional bang for the bite. So, not ice cream, but instead try cottage cheese, plain or low/no sugar added flavored Greek yogurt.

Choose lean proteins whenever possible, and if getting enough food sourced protein is hard - a protein shake isn’t a terrible option. Also, vegetables are important and for carbs - keep portions small/moderate and focus on potatoes, sweet potatoes, oats and whole grains rather than pasta, and refined/processed options. Fats should be treated as condiments - a little bit goes a long way. Your best options in this department are avocados, nuts/nut butters, olives, and olive oil.

The 2-Second Takeaways:

  • Protein first with a goal of at least 1 gram/pound. Preferably from
    lean meats, fish, low-fat cottage cheese, plain or low/no sugar
    Greek yogurt, eggs.
  • Plenty of non-starchy veggies for vitamins, minerals, antioxidants
    and fiber
  • Moderate/small amounts of vegetable-based (potatoes/sweet
    potatoes/winter squash) or whole grain carbs.
  • Moderate/small amounts of healthy fats (avocado, nuts, olives, etc.)
  • As @TrainForPain said, focus on food quality not on calories.
    -If you’re not already taking one, get on a daily multi-vitamin. Also, a
    vitamin D3 supplement if. (Nutrient absorption may be lower when
    taking a GLP-1.)
    -Stay hydrated - water is great, and a low/no sugar electrolyte drink
    may not be a bad idea. LMNT, DripDrop, Nuun, etc.
    -Make your new way of eating something you can do for life - not just
    for now.
    -Don’t give up. You’ve come a long way! Keep us posted on your
    progress. And let us know what we can do to help you if/when you’re
    struggling.
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Well said!!

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You on any medications known for causing this?