[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I don’t understand why some people believe that there’s a one-size-fits-all program out there that everyone will have success with. If that were the case, every damn powerlifter would follow it. I know a number of people who have followed 531 and not made gains. To the OP, maybe it’s time to shake up your programming with something new. You can always return to 531.[/quote]
Agree with you but from I have seen the vast majority of people who complain about any program not working generally haven’t adapted their assistance work according to what they need to focus on. For example; focusing on lockout strength (because they can’t lockout the weight) when the real problem is their lower torso just not being able to handle the load - usually attributable to the kind of lower torso training (or lack thereof) past and present.
No program is one size fits all, but the overwhelming majority should make progress on any program with sensible programming, which 5/3/1 very much is.
Sorry guys been away for a week… Everyone has made valid points. I think I will mix it up after this cycle. Teledin no harm man. Your 1st post did piss me off though but its all good man, glad you clarified it. Anyways I posted another new thread today about 531, i think its come down to like a few have said, change it up a while, Im the type that likes to follow a book etc, 531 did that for me. I went up 40 pounds in my bench in 2 yrs and 50 in my squat, so it does work, Ive just gotta search a new routine, so recommendations are welcome.
State some maxes and what you feel are your weak points and/or what you simply want to be stronger in. It would be best to find a program built toward your needs.
That is not 5/3/1. Why are you complaining about 5/3/1?[/quote]
Why would someone want to do the last set of the program if its not challenging? You would think that if you was going to accurately gauge your progress your last single set would be difficult so the next cycle that would go up… SO i basically did go by the 5/3/1 i just tried to find a challenging weight that I can shoot for the next cycle. Is the 3rd week of the cycle not suppose to be challenging? Is it weird my body thinks the 1st week is harder than the 3rd? Obviously not since Im not the only one who feels this way… Maybe your body is different, i just stated my problems with the system man.
That is not 5/3/1. Why are you complaining about 5/3/1?[/quote]
Why would someone want to do the last set of the program if its not challenging? You would think that if you was going to accurately gauge your progress your last single set would be difficult so the next cycle that would go up… SO i basically did go by the 5/3/1 i just tried to find a challenging weight that I can shoot for the next cycle. Is the 3rd week of the cycle not suppose to be challenging? Is it weird my body thinks the 1st week is harder than the 3rd? Obviously not since Im not the only one who feels this way… Maybe your body is different, i just stated my problems with the system man.[/quote]
You do know that you’re supposed to do one OR MORE reps, right? Basically, as many as you can. it can be as challenging as you want to make it.
That is not 5/3/1. Why are you complaining about 5/3/1?[/quote]
Why would someone want to do the last set of the program if its not challenging? You would think that if you was going to accurately gauge your progress your last single set would be difficult so the next cycle that would go up… SO i basically did go by the 5/3/1 i just tried to find a challenging weight that I can shoot for the next cycle. Is the 3rd week of the cycle not suppose to be challenging? Is it weird my body thinks the 1st week is harder than the 3rd? Obviously not since Im not the only one who feels this way… Maybe your body is different, i just stated my problems with the system man.[/quote]
You do know that you’re supposed to do one OR MORE reps, right? Basically, as many as you can. it can be as challenging as you want to make it.
Yea I know but in my mind this is suppose to be a single set of a new PR…
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That is not 5/3/1. Why are you complaining about 5/3/1?[/quote]
Why would someone want to do the last set of the program if its not challenging? You would think that if you was going to accurately gauge your progress your last single set would be difficult so the next cycle that would go up… SO i basically did go by the 5/3/1 i just tried to find a challenging weight that I can shoot for the next cycle. Is the 3rd week of the cycle not suppose to be challenging? Is it weird my body thinks the 1st week is harder than the 3rd? Obviously not since Im not the only one who feels this way… Maybe your body is different, i just stated my problems with the system man.[/quote]
You do know that you’re supposed to do one OR MORE reps, right? Basically, as many as you can. it can be as challenging as you want to make it.
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Yea I know but in my mind this is suppose to be a single set of a new PR…
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OK, so you changed the program and it didn’t work. If you aren’t doing it as written then it isn’t the program’s fault.
I have no particular love for 5/3/1 I just hate when people tweak a program to make it more like how they want to work out, then blame lack of success on the program. If you aren’t doing the program, it isn’t the programs fault.
Trying to hit a new 1RM every time you hit 1’s week is the EXACT OPPOSITE of Wendler’s philosophy.
That is not 5/3/1. Why are you complaining about 5/3/1?[/quote]
Why would someone want to do the last set of the program if its not challenging? You would think that if you was going to accurately gauge your progress your last single set would be difficult so the next cycle that would go up… SO i basically did go by the 5/3/1 i just tried to find a challenging weight that I can shoot for the next cycle. Is the 3rd week of the cycle not suppose to be challenging? Is it weird my body thinks the 1st week is harder than the 3rd? Obviously not since Im not the only one who feels this way… Maybe your body is different, i just stated my problems with the system man.[/quote]
That’s the fallacy of 5/3/1. It’s just not challenging. He makes you think you’re “progressing” by throwing out a bunch of percentages with weights that are much lighter than what you’re capable of in the first place! You end up wasting a lot of time by following it to the letter. I think you should keep pushing the way that you are.
That is not 5/3/1. Why are you complaining about 5/3/1?[/quote]
Why would someone want to do the last set of the program if its not challenging? You would think that if you was going to accurately gauge your progress your last single set would be difficult so the next cycle that would go up… SO i basically did go by the 5/3/1 i just tried to find a challenging weight that I can shoot for the next cycle. Is the 3rd week of the cycle not suppose to be challenging? Is it weird my body thinks the 1st week is harder than the 3rd? Obviously not since Im not the only one who feels this way… Maybe your body is different, i just stated my problems with the system man.[/quote]
That’s the fallacy of 5/3/1. It’s just not challenging. He makes you think you’re “progressing” by throwing out a bunch of percentages with weights that are much lighter than what you’re capable of in the first place! You end up wasting a lot of time by following it to the letter. I think you should keep pushing the way that you are.[/quote]
Going to failure isn’t challenging? He should keep doing what he is even though it isn’t working?
That is not 5/3/1. Why are you complaining about 5/3/1?[/quote]
Why would someone want to do the last set of the program if its not challenging? You would think that if you was going to accurately gauge your progress your last single set would be difficult so the next cycle that would go up… SO i basically did go by the 5/3/1 i just tried to find a challenging weight that I can shoot for the next cycle. Is the 3rd week of the cycle not suppose to be challenging? Is it weird my body thinks the 1st week is harder than the 3rd? Obviously not since Im not the only one who feels this way… Maybe your body is different, i just stated my problems with the system man.[/quote]
That’s the fallacy of 5/3/1. It’s just not challenging. He makes you think you’re “progressing” by throwing out a bunch of percentages with weights that are much lighter than what you’re capable of in the first place! You end up wasting a lot of time by following it to the letter. I think you should keep pushing the way that you are.[/quote]
Going to failure isn’t challenging? He should keep doing what he is even though it isn’t working?[/quote]
Don’t mind the village idiot. Just let him go about his merry way. the ignore function also helps.
why does his 5/3/1 videos say he was doing smolov?[/quote]
he mentioned it in his blog. something alone the line that he was getting burnt out from 5/3/1 so he decided to take some time off before returning to it.