[quote]pittbulll wrote:
How can a group of people that claim that the American government can not do anything well, be such staunch supporters of the Military.
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I agree.
Theoretically, under the Constitution, it is one of the only things the US government is supposed to do even though it probably shouldn’t be doing 99% of what it does.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
How can a group of people that claim that the American government can not do anything well, be such staunch supporters of the Military.
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There is no profit incentive for the private sector to take control of the military. And by the way we haven’t won a war since ww2. I support the people in the military but the government is showing itself over and over again even unable to take care of there 1 job.
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
How can a group of people that claim that the American government can not do anything well, be such staunch supporters of the Military.
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There is no profit incentive for the private sector to take control of the military. And by the way we haven’t won a war since ww2. I support the people in the military but the government is showing itself over and over again even unable to take care of there 1 job.[/quote]
Are you kidding? Why do you think nearly all out foreign security , and support is being done by mercenaries now? Blackwater, and various other savory outfits, and costing us many, many times what our enlisted men and women cost us per person?
The military and rapidly moving in the privatization direction (at least it was under Bush), and the American public was getting gauged by it.
But that’s till a separate issue from how obscene our overall military spending is. We could do what we need to do, so long as we’re not out to build an empire, with 1/4 the force we have. Frankly, I think the entire military needs to be re-organized more along the model of the IDF. Having, competing, redundant, branches is sill, and requires millions and millions in redundant equipment and support staff.
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
How can a group of people that claim that the American government can not do anything well, be such staunch supporters of the Military.
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There is no profit incentive for the private sector to take control of the military. And by the way we haven’t won a war since ww2. I support the people in the military but the government is showing itself over and over again even unable to take care of there 1 job.[/quote]
What about KRB , Haliburton and Black water ?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Thx for the free college, rent and books, America.[/quote]
I think college should be free period, if you have the aptitude. I know more social programs . [/quote]
why should anything be free? once you do that you devalue it. Its the reason you have a crap load of retarded bussiness majors and libral arts people complaining they cant get a job even with a college degree… guess what, they didnt belong there and if they had been paying they would have taken it a lot more serious…
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In my view some of the people that can afford an education are not the people best suited for an education. AZ out of state tuition is eighty grand.
AS far as worthless liberal arts studies I tend to agree with that, America needs engineers, nurses and many other vocations that require a higher level of education
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WTF is yalls problems with liberal arts degrees? I am graduating with a history degree and attending Law School starting this fall. Shit, guess I am going no where with my life.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
WTF is yalls problems with liberal arts degrees? I am graduating with a history degree and attending Law School starting this fall. Shit, guess I am going no where with my life. [/quote]
And what do you have to rely on as a back up if you realize you dont want to practice law 5 years from now?
I dont have any problem with Liberal Arts degrees, but you have to admit, most of the kids getting most of these degrees, not all, are doing it because it is easy. In turn, they graduate, have no job offers because they are a dime a dozen, and then complain about it.
My school has a fairly decent law school (from what I understand) and a fairly good medical program. Guess what all the people who want to get into law school and med school major in as an undergrad?
Liberal arts is the easy way to go if you want to guarantee good grades for acceptance reasons (I dont know alot about the acceptance process though) to law school and med school.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Thx for the free college, rent and books, America.[/quote]
I think college should be free period, if you have the aptitude. I know more social programs . [/quote]
why should anything be free? once you do that you devalue it. Its the reason you have a crap load of retarded bussiness majors and libral arts people complaining they cant get a job even with a college degree… guess what, they didnt belong there and if they had been paying they would have taken it a lot more serious…
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In my view some of the people that can afford an education are not the people best suited for an education. AZ out of state tuition is eighty grand.
AS far as worthless liberal arts studies I tend to agree with that, America needs engineers, nurses and many other vocations that require a higher level of education
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WTF is yalls problems with liberal arts degrees? I am graduating with a history degree and attending Law School starting this fall. Shit, guess I am going no where with my life. [/quote]
I have such low regard for lawyers I will agree with you on that.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would also argue since we have the ability to help others, the Afghan people for example, we should. [/quote]
So exactly how much of my money should be taken from me and to help what specific list of people. If you want to help some random you know nothing about, go ahead. Leave me and my tax dollars out of it. I’ll help who I want to help and you help who you want to help.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would also argue since we have the ability to help others, the Afghan people for example, we should. [/quote]
So exactly how much of my money should be taken from me and to help what specific list of people. If you want to help some random you know nothing about, go ahead. Leave me and my tax dollars out of it. I’ll help who I want to help and you help who you want to help. [/quote]
I think he was talking about the mystical “we”, as in you help the people he deems worthy.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]dhickey wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would also argue since we have the ability to help others, the Afghan people for example, we should. [/quote]
So exactly how much of my money should be taken from me and to help what specific list of people. If you want to help some random you know nothing about, go ahead. Leave me and my tax dollars out of it. I’ll help who I want to help and you help who you want to help. [/quote]
I think he was talking about the mystical “we”, as in you help the people he deems worthy. [/quote]
dhickey: It is my opinion our tax dollars should go toward helping those that truly need our help. Not the fat lady with 9 kids that lives off welfare, not the college graduate that hasn’t paid a dime into unemployment, but collects anyway, and so on and so forth, but people that truly need our help like the children born into poverty in a war torn country that are murdered and raped by their “leadership”.
We, as in Americans, have a chance to do great things for people and nations that can’t help themselves and probably never will. I have a huge problem with government waste, but helping needy people that truly need help is not waste in my book. We could utilize the military to do this.
Orion: I’m going to continue to ignore you as I have for a while now.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]dhickey wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would also argue since we have the ability to help others, the Afghan people for example, we should. [/quote]
So exactly how much of my money should be taken from me and to help what specific list of people. If you want to help some random you know nothing about, go ahead. Leave me and my tax dollars out of it. I’ll help who I want to help and you help who you want to help. [/quote]
I think he was talking about the mystical “we”, as in you help the people he deems worthy. [/quote]
dhickey: It is my opinion our tax dollars should go toward helping those that truly need our help. Not the fat lady with 9 kids that lives off welfare, not the college graduate that hasn’t paid a dime into unemployment, but collects anyway, and so on and so forth, but people that truly need our help like the children born into poverty in a war torn country that are murdered and raped by their “leadership”.
We, as in Americans, have a chance to do great things for people and nations that can’t help themselves and probably never will. I have a huge problem with government waste, but helping needy people that truly need help is not waste in my book. We could utilize the military to do this.
Orion: I’m going to continue to ignore you as I have for a while now. [/quote]
I agree is some respects with you. My issue is it seems that these people do not want to be helped. They are comfortable sitting in their crap filled pants. It is warm and comfortable. I beleive that the USA is a light shinning in darkness, and we can help these people, but they have to be willing to help themselves first. Iran seems to be heading in this direction with the uprising there. Iraq seems to be willing to want to keep a true democracy. Do you see my point. I give above and beyond my taxes to help people overseas on a regular basis. I have looked these poor people in the eye while helping them. Might be a small amount, but it does make a difference.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]dhickey wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would also argue since we have the ability to help others, the Afghan people for example, we should. [/quote]
So exactly how much of my money should be taken from me and to help what specific list of people. If you want to help some random you know nothing about, go ahead. Leave me and my tax dollars out of it. I’ll help who I want to help and you help who you want to help. [/quote]
I think he was talking about the mystical “we”, as in you help the people he deems worthy. [/quote]
dhickey: It is my opinion our tax dollars should go toward helping those that truly need our help. Not the fat lady with 9 kids that lives off welfare, not the college graduate that hasn’t paid a dime into unemployment, but collects anyway, and so on and so forth, but people that truly need our help like the children born into poverty in a war torn country that are murdered and raped by their “leadership”.
We, as in Americans, have a chance to do great things for people and nations that can’t help themselves and probably never will. I have a huge problem with government waste, but helping needy people that truly need help is not waste in my book. We could utilize the military to do this.
Orion: I’m going to continue to ignore you as I have for a while now. [/quote]
our Gov’t is incapable of efficiently helping anyone. And who get’s to decide for all of us who we help and how much we help them? It’s all completely arbitrary. Individuals spending their own money is the only way to ensure the most help get to those that really need it. Some anonymous bureaucrat with an ajenda is not the answer.
You spend you money and I’ll spend mine. If you want others to donate to your cause, then ask. You wouldn’t tolerate someone breaking in and stealing your money/property, even if they donated it to some random cause they thought nobel. Why should I tolerate it when the federal gov’t does it?
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Thx for the free college, rent and books, America.[/quote]
I think college should be free period, if you have the aptitude. I know more social programs . [/quote]
why should anything be free? once you do that you devalue it. Its the reason you have a crap load of retarded bussiness majors and libral arts people complaining they cant get a job even with a college degree… guess what, they didnt belong there and if they had been paying they would have taken it a lot more serious…
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In my view some of the people that can afford an education are not the people best suited for an education. AZ out of state tuition is eighty grand.
AS far as worthless liberal arts studies I tend to agree with that, America needs engineers, nurses and many other vocations that require a higher level of education
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WTF is yalls problems with liberal arts degrees? I am graduating with a history degree and attending Law School starting this fall. Shit, guess I am going no where with my life. [/quote]
I know it is none of my bussiness , because I did not pay for their education , but a large percentage of liberal arts degrees are wasted , no direction. My brother disagrees with me as well . Just my opinion
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Thx for the free college, rent and books, America.[/quote]
I think college should be free period, if you have the aptitude. I know more social programs . [/quote]
why should anything be free? once you do that you devalue it. Its the reason you have a crap load of retarded bussiness majors and libral arts people complaining they cant get a job even with a college degree… guess what, they didnt belong there and if they had been paying they would have taken it a lot more serious…
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In my view some of the people that can afford an education are not the people best suited for an education. AZ out of state tuition is eighty grand.
AS far as worthless liberal arts studies I tend to agree with that, America needs engineers, nurses and many other vocations that require a higher level of education
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WTF is yalls problems with liberal arts degrees? I am graduating with a history degree and attending Law School starting this fall. Shit, guess I am going no where with my life. [/quote]
I know it is none of my bussiness , because I did not pay for their education , but a large percentage of liberal arts degrees are wasted , no direction. My brother disagrees with me as well . Just my opinion[/quote]
Oh Yeah , don’t get me started on lawyers 
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]dhickey wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would also argue since we have the ability to help others, the Afghan people for example, we should. [/quote]
So exactly how much of my money should be taken from me and to help what specific list of people. If you want to help some random you know nothing about, go ahead. Leave me and my tax dollars out of it. I’ll help who I want to help and you help who you want to help. [/quote]
I think he was talking about the mystical “we”, as in you help the people he deems worthy. [/quote]
dhickey: It is my opinion our tax dollars should go toward helping those that truly need our help. Not the fat lady with 9 kids that lives off welfare, not the college graduate that hasn’t paid a dime into unemployment, but collects anyway, and so on and so forth, but people that truly need our help like the children born into poverty in a war torn country that are murdered and raped by their “leadership”.
We, as in Americans, have a chance to do great things for people and nations that can’t help themselves and probably never will. I have a huge problem with government waste, but helping needy people that truly need help is not waste in my book. We could utilize the military to do this.
Orion: I’m going to continue to ignore you as I have for a while now. [/quote]
We need to start focusing internally. There are enough problems here in the US now that demand the people’s time and energy.
Our foreign interventionist policy has failed again.
[quote]formerfatboy wrote:
We need to start focusing internally. There are enough problems here in the US now that demand the people’s time and energy.
Our foreign interventionist policy has failed again. [/quote]
Shazaam!!!
We need to take care of ourselves first, before we can take care of others. This is human nature, to take care of your own kind, look out for eachother, but for some reason as a country, we cannot do this. And whats even more mind bottling (yes, thats a Will Ferrell quote), is that our gov. is so tied up in taking care of other countries that they have completely neglected their own.
One good thing I can say that I have experienced from the government is the VA benefits that help veterans get through college. I still cant believe they pay me this much to go to school.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]dhickey wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would also argue since we have the ability to help others, the Afghan people for example, we should. [/quote]
So exactly how much of my money should be taken from me and to help what specific list of people. If you want to help some random you know nothing about, go ahead. Leave me and my tax dollars out of it. I’ll help who I want to help and you help who you want to help. [/quote]
I think he was talking about the mystical “we”, as in you help the people he deems worthy. [/quote]
dhickey: It is my opinion our tax dollars should go toward helping those that truly need our help. Not the fat lady with 9 kids that lives off welfare, not the college graduate that hasn’t paid a dime into unemployment, but collects anyway, and so on and so forth, but people that truly need our help like the children born into poverty in a war torn country that are murdered and raped by their “leadership”.
We, as in Americans, have a chance to do great things for people and nations that can’t help themselves and probably never will. I have a huge problem with government waste, but helping needy people that truly need help is not waste in my book. We could utilize the military to do this.
Orion: I’m going to continue to ignore you as I have for a while now. [/quote]
our Gov’t is incapable of efficiently helping anyone. And who get’s to decide for all of us who we help and how much we help them? It’s all completely arbitrary. Individuals spending their own money is the only way to ensure the most help get to those that really need it. Some anonymous bureaucrat with an ajenda is not the answer.
You spend you money and I’ll spend mine. If you want others to donate to your cause, then ask. You wouldn’t tolerate someone breaking in and stealing your money/property, even if they donated it to some random cause they thought nobel. Why should I tolerate it when the federal gov’t does it?[/quote]
Do you really think people would voluntarily help others if there wasn’t some kind of tax benefit for charitable contributions. Some would and you may be one of them, but most people in my opinion would not. We are going to be taxed regardless of how we feel about it. I would rather my tax dollars go to the truly needy around the world and domestically then to pay for a senators third mortgage.
[quote]formerfatboy wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]dhickey wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I would also argue since we have the ability to help others, the Afghan people for example, we should. [/quote]
So exactly how much of my money should be taken from me and to help what specific list of people. If you want to help some random you know nothing about, go ahead. Leave me and my tax dollars out of it. I’ll help who I want to help and you help who you want to help. [/quote]
I think he was talking about the mystical “we”, as in you help the people he deems worthy. [/quote]
dhickey: It is my opinion our tax dollars should go toward helping those that truly need our help. Not the fat lady with 9 kids that lives off welfare, not the college graduate that hasn’t paid a dime into unemployment, but collects anyway, and so on and so forth, but people that truly need our help like the children born into poverty in a war torn country that are murdered and raped by their “leadership”.
We, as in Americans, have a chance to do great things for people and nations that can’t help themselves and probably never will. I have a huge problem with government waste, but helping needy people that truly need help is not waste in my book. We could utilize the military to do this.
Orion: I’m going to continue to ignore you as I have for a while now. [/quote]
We need to start focusing internally. There are enough problems here in the US now that demand the people’s time and energy.
Our foreign interventionist policy has failed again. [/quote]
We have enough resources to help everyone here that needs it and help others internationally. If we didn’t wasn’t so much money/resources on crap that is.
[quote]smithers584 wrote:
[quote]formerfatboy wrote:
We need to start focusing internally. There are enough problems here in the US now that demand the people’s time and energy.
Our foreign interventionist policy has failed again. [/quote]
Shazaam!!!
We need to take care of ourselves first, before we can take care of others. This is human nature, to take care of your own kind, look out for eachother, but for some reason as a country, we cannot do this. And whats even more mind bottling (yes, thats a Will Ferrell quote), is that our gov. is so tied up in taking care of other countries that they have completely neglected their own.
One good thing I can say that I have experienced from the government is the VA benefits that help veterans get through college. I still cant believe they pay me this much to go to school.[/quote]
IMO we have already taken care of our own, and also the illegals that keep crossing the border. I am not a big fan of the government taking care of anyone. There is too much administrative cost to put welfare into practice. I would prefer local charities so that locals can keep an eye on what these people are buying with the hand outs. Bush’s Faith based charity initiative was a great idea, but Democrats beleive that there is not a charity on the planet that can take the place of the federal government in taking care of people. I tend to disagree.