Show me the molecular structure of EACH ONE side by side and point out the differences.
Do you know what bio-identical means?
Iāve answered your question, do you want to answer mine now or deflect it some more?
No, you didnāt answer anything. You stated that āartificial testosteroneā has long term effects.
I specifically asked you what the difference is between endogenous and exogenous testosterone, because you are under the delusion there is a difference.
There is NO difference! Itās bio-identical. The body does NOT differentiate between them. It views them both in exactly the same way as the molecule is identical. Just as women who take estradiol is the exact same molecular structure as the estradiol they make natually.
But you didnāt even know this. This is TRT 101 newbie level knowledge and here you are arguing with someone who has been actively researching this for almost a decade and spends half my day discussing the topic with physicians around the globe as well as interviewing them on a channel with over a million views. But you donāt even understand the basics. You donāt know what bio-identical is. You deflect from direct questions. You have no idea what androgen resistance is, and when provided with a solution you demand that people ignore the solution and instead look for another solution.
Youāre as ignorant as they come. Youāre here to troll this forum, period. At least admit that you had NO IDEA that there was no difference between the two.
No I didnāt say that, I asked you if you think it does.
There is a difference to the body, one will shut down part of your endocrine system, the other wonāt
Exogenous testosterone will be released at a different rate to your body at different times. Again different.
The molecule is the same. When you add testosterone to your body while it is still making it naturally, it views ALL of the testosterone in the same way.
Any amount of exogenous testosterone will shut down natural production because you are no longer allowing the body to regulate it. That is the only thing. It has no bearing on the difference. Having near zero LH and FSH has never been an indicator for poor health or longevity! Itās irrelevant.
We donāt care about release times. We are not trying to mimic the natural pulse. We are after symptom resolution. You said artificial testosterone and it doesnāt exist. You asked me my opinion on something that DOESNāT exist.
What is your opinion on unicorns? Relevant?
You REALLY need to consider doing more study in this area before going on a full blown argument on the subject.
What about the high E2 caused by excessive use? High prolactin? Prostate issues?
Artificial - made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, especially as a copy of something natural.
Fucking wrong again.
High E2???
Please tell me what high e2 does. Please. Youāre going to have me laughing until Iām crying.
Please tell me what causes prostate issues. Considering I know 3 urologists as we have discussed that topic at length: androgen deficiency.
BIO-IDENTICALā¦ please Google what that means because now youāre just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole.
Here, Iāll do it for you:
The term " bioidentical " means the hormones in the product are chemically identical to those your body produces. In fact, the hormones in bioidentical medications may not be any different from those in traditional hormone therapy.
IDENTICAL. This means NO DIFFERENCE.
Please tell me what accelerates prostate issues?
Iām not disputing the term bioidentical, you are disputing the term artifical. I gave you the definition but you still donāt understand?
If I had a dollar for every time someone said you canāt compare endogenous to exogenous. Now they are exactly the same? I am not talking about bio-identical. How is it processed / metabolized by the body if someone produces naturally versus exogenously? This is the exact argument why you cannot have good levels taking 40-50mg per week which is what is produced naturally.
I want YOU to explain it to me. Then I can copy/paste your reply and send it to Dr. Grant so he can have a good laugh.
Please explain what accelerates prostate issues so I can teach the urologists I know. PLEASE.
Iām sure they already know.
Youāre sounding more like a desperate junky by the minute.
You missing a key part of this: how much of it is absorbed when taken endogenously.
The molecule is exactly the same. We have to attach the molecule to an ester otherwise the molecule would be metabolized almost immediately. Since we canāt give ourselves dozen of small injections a day, we use a slow release form with an ester attached. The carrier oil itself is natural. There is nothing āartificialā whatsoever.
I really would appreciate you explaining it to me since you brought it up. What accelerates prostate issues? Please explain for the class?
Allow me to continue educating yourself:
He is a urologist who specializes in the prostate.
Here is all required supporting evidence with references:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ml3jnxdxpBTc3kKIIpW3KT5CqrwIdjuG
Anything else youād like to teach me regarding hormones? Please do share.
Download and read
Yeah but no one listens to him. Seems like a waste of time.
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I just provided a video with a urologist as well as supporting literature. You have immediately dismissed it and sent me an article.
This is an article from 2012, or did you not notice?
They now treat prostate issue with testosterone therapy, or did you not know this also?
Why are you arguing about things you clearly know nothing about?
You are the very definition of a troll.
To all the newbies reading through this thread:
If any of you want to take on the advice of @lenono, do me a quick favor. Find the nearest brick wall and smack your head into it as often as needed just before the point of losing consciousness. You can stop at that point.
https://prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/treatments/hormone-therapy
Other points of views exist. Control your roid rage old man, you will have a heart attack.
I donāt know what part of āUrologists today donāt do that anymoreā that you didnāt understand.
Why donāt you join my FB group, TRT and Hormone Optimization, make a post with these studies and then tag Dr. Jordan Grant, and Iāll ensure I tag several other physicians to chime in. We would have a BALL with you.