[quote]Mcincinatti wrote:
Wondering if y’all think this article is relevant to the notion of getting/being jacked for the modern man
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/half-lifts-workout-says-social-class-85221/[/quote]
That was depressing.
[quote]Mcincinatti wrote:
Interesting article- hard to quantify these effects for me… relative to my high school classmates and competitors in my contact sport of choice, I was considered the “biggest” AND “strongest” (small high school lulz) merely because I lifted and was (and am) about 6’2
Wondering if y’all think this article is relevant to the notion of getting/being jacked for the modern man
I have zero respect for the author as a human being. He gave up something he seemed to really enjoy solely because of his own insecurity and his perception of what others thought of him.
“Soon, however, I suffered a creeping insecurity. Looking into the eyes of a banker with soft hands, I imagined him thinking, You deluded moron, what does muscle have to do with anything?”
I’m unreasonably irate after reading that article. What a fucking loser.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I’m unreasonably irate after reading that article. What a fucking loser.
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Agreed. And fuck his bitchy wife too.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
1)Random women â??bumpâ?? into you
2)Girls with boyfriends give you naughty looks
3)Men challenge you
4)People see you as a threat
5)You get unjustly classified as a douche bag
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When I was at my “most jacked” I was playing on the front row of a very competitive rugby team and was lifting some serious weight. When I walked into a bar, as I walked through the crowd, people parted like the red fucking sea. At that time, I was 27 and around 250 ish and in rugby shape. Now that I’m 40 and down to 200 ish, I seem get the elbow and the occasional body checks. If they only knew how close to death they were… LOL
I always get the looks from the ladies - BF or no BF, and I’m too old be classified as a douche bag.
As far as looking threatening goes, it’s like a tool in a tool box. I can turn it on when I have to.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
He also appears to have an active fantasy life and some latent homo tendencies from the picture associated with the article.[/quote]
I was wondering just what the guy in the photo would have to be doing to “happen” to catch your eye in that exact position. The only thing I could come up with was dancing provocatively.
[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
He also appears to have an active fantasy life and some latent homo tendencies from the picture associated with the article.[/quote]
I was wondering just what the guy in the photo would have to be doing to “happen” to catch your eye in that exact position. The only thing I could come up with was dancing provocatively.[/quote]
Anybody who doesn’t get a huge fag vibe from that picture is probably in denial.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
When I was at my “most jacked” I was playing on the front row of a very competitive rugby team and was lifting some serious weight. When I walked into a bar, as I walked through the crowd, people parted like the red fucking sea. At that time, I was 27 and around 250 ish and in rugby shape. Now that I’m 40 and down to 200 ish, I seem get the elbow and the occasional body checks. If they only knew how close to death they were… LOL
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Yep, my point exactly. The heavyweight guys don’t get it like the middle and lightweights. Muscular hips and quads don’t seem to frighten (obviously) like a barrel chest either.
[quote]Mcincinatti wrote:
Interesting article- hard to quantify these effects for me… relative to my high school classmates and competitors in my contact sport of choice, I was considered the “biggest” AND “strongest” (small high school lulz) merely because I lifted and was (and am) about 6’2
Wondering if y’all think this article is relevant to the notion of getting/being jacked for the modern man
LOL. Do you really have to read past this gem:
I first heard the term strength sportsâ??referring to football, weightlifting, and any other sport dependent upon sheer muscular forceâ??in my early 40s. Iâ??d spent half a lifetime dedicated to athletics more common among urban liberals like myselfâ??jogging, cycling, swimming, pursuing cardiovascular fitness instead of brute force.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I’m unreasonably irate after reading that article. What a fucking loser.
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Agreed. And fuck his bitchy wife too.[/quote]
He’s a writer and nothing more. It sounds like more of an excuse to quit lifting than anything. I just mentioned this in another thread: while I respect the dedication it takes to be a competitive endurance athlete, my biggest pet peeve with marathon runners is the preaching of it being some healthy activity while disrepecting the dedication it takes to put up decent numbers in a gym. It can take years for the average man to lift decent numbers, but training for a marathon can be accomplished in a matter of months.
Check out some of the author’s other quotes:
and no matter what Iâ??m supposed to feel about physical dominance or moral character, I dearly miss feeling huge walking down the street.
In my own case, I eventually squatted 285 pounds, dead-lifted 335 and bench-pressed 235.
The guy must have been jacked. Most high school kids can beat those numbers by age 18 simply by showing up for a couple years. Weightlifting to the point where your results are noticeable while walking down the street is hard work. Jogging a marathon and putting a 26.2 sticker on your car is nothing more than a commitment of time to impress other “urban liberals”.
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I’m unreasonably irate after reading that article. What a fucking loser.
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Agreed. And fuck his bitchy wife too.[/quote]
He’s a writer and nothing more. It sounds like more of an excuse to quit lifting than anything. I just mentioned this in another thread: while I respect the dedication it takes to be a competitive endurance athlete, my biggest pet peeve with marathon runners is the preaching of it being some healthy activity while disrepecting the dedication it takes to put up decent numbers in a gym. It can take years for the average man to lift decent numbers, but training for a marathon can be accomplished in a matter of months.
Check out some of the author’s other quotes:
and no matter what Iâ??m supposed to feel about physical dominance or moral character, I dearly miss feeling huge walking down the street.
In my own case, I eventually squatted 285 pounds, dead-lifted 335 and bench-pressed 235.
The guy must have been jacked. Most high school kids can beat those numbers by age 18 simply by showing up for a couple years. Weightlifting to the point where your results are noticeable while walking down the street is hard work. Jogging a marathon and putting a 26.2 sticker on your car is nothing more than a commitment of time to impress other “urban liberals”.[/quote]
That was one of the best most insightful articles written by someone outside the training community that I have read in a while though. He nailed a lot of the modern attitude towards over complicating things and training. Actually kind of reminded me of Chris’s “The Case for Broscience” article.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Jogging a marathon and putting a 26.2 sticker on your car[/quote]
I… never knew what those stickers meant…
Makes so much sense now.
getting one of these.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]tedro wrote:
Jogging a marathon and putting a 26.2 sticker on your car[/quote]
I… never knew what those stickers meant…
Makes so much sense now.[/quote]
Me neither. I kept seeing the 13.1 stickers and googled it just a few weeks ago. I guess around here halfway is good enough.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]tedro wrote:
Jogging a marathon and putting a 26.2 sticker on your car[/quote]
I… never knew what those stickers meant…
Makes so much sense now.[/quote]
This was a major source of bewilderment for me as well. Now it makes sense why I see them next to “coexist” bumper stickers on Subarus.
Back to the topic at hand, I’m far from jacked, but I do look like a big strong dude who might beat you up and take your cheeseburger. Ever since I started looking like a strip club bouncer I never get any shit from people at work. I was never a pushover, but when I was wicked fat I would get dicked around quite a bit.
Nowadays people at work just seem to agree with me and do things that I ask them to do. So, in that sense, becoming strong has helped me get in touch with my feminine side.
[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
1)Random women �¢??bump�¢?? into you
2)Girls with boyfriends give you naughty looks
3)Men challenge you
4)People see you as a threat
5)You get unjustly classified as a douche bag
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1 - Have never had this happen, ever, if anything I bump into doorways and corners not realizing how wide I am, but I’m also pretty spacey when I’m just walking around
2 - Having been both 225 lean and 185 cut, women prefer the smaller version, ironically even chicks that are tall, strong, or athletic themselves (I honestly believe this is because of the implication of longer and better sex due to being in ‘better’ shape), but when women with boyfriends are openly checking you out they’re admitting to themselves and their partner that you’re not a legitimate option, being ‘jacked’ will get you laid, but women don’t take you seriously no matter how intelligent or funny you might be, you’re just like a chick with big fake boobs, the girls that do pursue you beyond just sex are usually immature, shallow, and insecure, they don’t want a companion, they just want good dick and attention under the guise of a relationship that will make other girls jealous of their ability to tame a ‘beast’ such as yourself.
3 - In my experience, men don’t challenge you physically in the form of actual combat, most men are evolving into passive-aggressive drama queens in my opinion, but they will challenge you in other areas in order to compensate for feeling inferior, these areas will range from intelligence, humor, sexual prowess/penis size, or ability to play or possess past success in sports.
4 - They don’t see you as a threat, they are jealous of your work ethic and commitment to yourself and your well-being. You serve as a constant reminder to people that they could easily change what they don’t like about themselves with effort and discipline so they claim that you have no life outside of the gym or are a diet freak, this also leads to the aforementioned personal attacks from #3.
5 - Following the theme of my answers to #3 and #4, yes, people will also attack your character and integrity as a human being, being in shape and attractive is extremely alienating to people, but what I’ve found is that people will see you as endearing and actually appreciate you if you are upfront about your vanity and arrogance, denying that these factors don’t play a role in your pursuit of health and fitness is ridiculous, at the same time it’s also very liberating for yourself.
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This really resonated with me. I swear, almost all of my co-workers hold these types of views towards those of us inclined to “get big and strong”. It has come to the point where I refuse to take part in any discussions concerning dieting, exercising, or almost anything else of that nature at my workplace. Not because I don’t enjoy it, because I really do. It’s because people like that are almost hostile towards any type of lifestyle that forces them to acknowledge their own lack of dedication or discipline.
I have been ganged up on a number of times and told how weird or gross it is to want to get muscular. I have had one female friend at work tell me she could never date a guy who was that dedicated to lifting and dieting because she wants someone who can eat junk food and be lazy with her. Hell, I have even heard another female friend at work say that she prefers a guy that “is really skinny with no butt”. Strange times.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Mcincinatti wrote:
Interesting article- hard to quantify these effects for me… relative to my high school classmates and competitors in my contact sport of choice, I was considered the “biggest” AND “strongest” (small high school lulz) merely because I lifted and was (and am) about 6’2
Wondering if y’all think this article is relevant to the notion of getting/being jacked for the modern man
I have zero respect for the author as a human being. He gave up something he seemed to really enjoy solely because of his own insecurity and his perception of what others thought of him.
“Soon, however, I suffered a creeping insecurity. Looking into the eyes of a banker with soft hands, I imagined him thinking, You deluded moron, what does muscle have to do with anything?”
I’m unreasonably irate after reading that article. What a fucking loser.
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Indeed. Basically, he says that urban liberals who are rich in degrees, but not income, do cardio to the point it is unhealthy, and don’t do strength sports.
This is a correct statement. Very astute, in fact.
What is incorrect is being a weak-willed lemming like his fellow urban liberals and doing cardio to the point it is unhealthy.
I’ve personally seen this in business settings; while I am not remotely a huge guy here or any given gym (say, I’d be the top 10% at any given Gold’s gym), I am a giant among business people, strength wise.
Coupled with being Israeli, whom liberals are taught are all evil baby killers, they physically fear me.
This works fantastically in business negotiations. They are afraid I might kill them, so they capitulate. Or they find me so abhorrent they want to get rid of me. Either works for me.
No, I am not invited to their Catalina Wine Mixers, but I’m a Jew and wouldn’t be invited anyway, unless a token minority was needed to show open mindedness and their gay black friend was busy.
Screw 'em.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I’m unreasonably irate after reading that article. What a fucking loser.
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Agreed. And fuck his bitchy wife too.[/quote]
Undoubtedly the ripped pool boy has.
[quote]Mcincinatti wrote:
Interesting article- hard to quantify these effects for me… relative to my high school classmates and competitors in my contact sport of choice, I was considered the “biggest” AND “strongest” (small high school lulz) merely because I lifted and was (and am) about 6’2
Wondering if y’all think this article is relevant to the notion of getting/being jacked for the modern man
I kinda feel for him. I’m a stick by tnation standards and I occasionally encounter those notions. I think a big part of it is that being a gym rat is much more time consuming (eating enough of the right food etc) than going for a run 2-3x a week. And of course, it shows more.