I am trying to learn as much as I can about steroids before I go on a cycle and am looking for as many opinions as I can get. On another forum I got this, but I thought it was too much PCT:
I was thinking I would get Arimidex in case of gyno popping up during the cycle take 0.5 mg e/d until the gyno goes away. Honestly, I’m really not sure what to do PCT. I read the stickies too but I want more opinions.
[quote]INTERNETWARLORD wrote:
I thought you had to have clomid because only clomid gets your body producing test. again which nolva doesn’t do.[/quote]
Try entering clomid and nolva into the search engine located top right… and read.
Some prefer to run the nolva at 40 for the first week and then 20 for the next 3.
Remember to wait two weeks after you last shot. So you would actually be starting it week 15 rather than 14 as you stated.
If you want to run hcg run it 250iu 2x/wk throughout your cycle. Im planning incorporating it into a cycle for the first time in the near future here and plan on using @ 100iu EOD.
Read some more threads to figure out a more appropriate adex dosing protocol.
Why dont you actually do some research? Its not to hard, you can also ask others for their sources while your at it. Smells like a cop trying to build some credibility.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Why dont you actually do some research? Its not to hard, you can also ask others for their sources while your at it. Smells like a cop trying to build some credibility. [/quote]
Erm ???
Where did that come from ?
Unless im missing something, he hasn’t said anything in this thread remotely different to the other 50 or 60 people a month this place goes through …
[quote]INTERNETWARLORD wrote:
So it is perfectly OK to use nolva only for PCT?
Could I have just done 4 weeks of 20mg e/d Nolva instead of all that clomid?[/quote]
Your PCT is listed in your first post. It’s the weeks using nolva + clomid.
Also, 50 mg of clomid is not ‘all that clomid’.
Recommended dose is 300 mg first day! Thats a lot of clomid!
Anyways, the clomid regimen that I have seen work for people time and time again is:
Day 1: 300mg ED
Days 2-11: 100mg ED
Days 12-21: 50mg ED
Use that along with Nolva at 20mg ED.
All this will start 14 days after your last pin of Test E.
[quote]INTERNETWARLORD wrote:
I am trying to learn as much as I can about steroids before I go on a cycle and am looking for as many opinions as I can get. On another forum I got this, but I thought it was too much PCT:
I was thinking I would get Arimidex in case of gyno popping up during the cycle take 0.5 mg e/d until the gyno goes away. Honestly, I’m really not sure what to do PCT. I read the stickies too but I want more opinions.[/quote]
Ignoring the other posts, what you have posted is a good cycle except the PCT.
Run your cycle as mentioned, then go for a 6 week stasis at 100mg and then taper off.
Keep away from clomid altogether, its a horrible drug and its physomatic sides are very undesirable.
Grab some adex which you should use very sparingly, .25-.5 of a mg when required, and keep some nolva on hand as well just incase you should need to jump on any gyno which can happen even with adex for some people.
I personally would be more patient with the cycle, dont worry about kick starting or front loading, if you have to use another drug, start the dianabol at week 4 when the test is kicked in and the results will be much more pleasing.
[quote]testanabol wrote:
Benny Boy wrote:
shld be running tamoxifen when ur starting ur d bol imo buddy
why is this, hes going to be using adex?[/quote]
coz u dont want to block estrogen out completely, and arimidex does this. u do need some estrogen in ur system u know, theres also more of a chemical penalty with dex, personally I wld run nolvadex and I wouldnt be running enanthate for 12 weeks eitgher as u wont get same effect after about 8 weeks as ur receptors wld be worn down , thats one of the reasons u change esters thru out ur cycle so ur constantly shocking different receptors no??
[quote]Benny Boy wrote:
testanabol wrote:
Benny Boy wrote:
shld be running tamoxifen when ur starting ur d bol imo buddy
why is this, hes going to be using adex?
coz u dont want to block estrogen out completely, and arimidex does this. u do need some estrogen in ur system u know, theres also more of a chemical penalty with dex, personally I wld run nolvadex and I wouldnt be running enanthate for 12 weeks eitgher as u wont get same effect after about 8 weeks as ur receptors wld be worn down , thats one of the reasons u change esters thru out ur cycle so ur constantly shocking different receptors no?? [/quote]
AFAIK that is an old technique that isnt really as effective as once thought isnt it?
[quote]Benny Boy wrote:
testanabol wrote:
Benny Boy wrote:
shld be running tamoxifen when ur starting ur d bol imo buddy
why is this, hes going to be using adex?
coz u dont want to block estrogen out completely, and arimidex does this. u do need some estrogen in ur system u know, theres also more of a chemical penalty with dex, personally I wld run nolvadex and I wouldnt be running enanthate for 12 weeks eitgher as u wont get same effect after about 8 weeks as ur receptors wld be worn down , thats one of the reasons u change esters thru out ur cycle so ur constantly shocking different receptors no?? [/quote]
Nolva is a selective estrogen receptor modulator meaning it competes at ‘selective sites’ one of these is at the site where gyno may occur. I reccomended adex use sparingly, the way i use it; RJ added something different by saying jump on it straight away, both of which are valid points, possibly his more so being more experienced and knowledgeable etc. Adex can alter lipid values for the worse if it is overused and yes you do need estrogen in the system, hence maybe use .25mg e3d to facillitate this.
As far as changing esters mid cycle, dont really see the point for shock tactics on receptors, 12 weeks of one ester works well for most.
However i would appreciate you further discussing your thoughts and experiences, any legit research you have on this as it has intrigued me.
