I read a lot mainly ancient history and philosophy. If you look around us today Capitalism has failed, a lot of people aren’t happy, the poor are exploited by the wealthy, the middle class is exploited just as much. The world doesn’t have the resources to handle our consumer driven lifestyle therefore the first world is forced to keep the 3rd world in abject poverty only to bitch and moan whenever they are thrown a bone.
Honestly it is you and all these other lovers of capitalism who are wrong. Oh and for a pre-emptive strike no I don’t agree with communism it has failed miserably too.
I know there must be some sane people in Canada but none of them ever post on T-Nation.[/quote]
If you consider yourself sane I am quite happy to be insane. You know what they say about insanity and genius.
I read a lot mainly ancient history and philosophy. If you look around us today Capitalism has failed, a lot of people aren’t happy, the poor are exploited by the wealthy, the middle class is exploited just as much. The world doesn’t have the resources to handle our consumer driven lifestyle therefore the first world is forced to keep the 3rd world in abject poverty only to bitch and moan whenever they are thrown a bone.
Honestly it is you and all these other lovers of capitalism who are wrong. Oh and for a pre-emptive strike no I don’t agree with communism it has failed miserably too.
I know there must be some sane people in Canada but none of them ever post on T-Nation.
If you consider yourself sane I am quite happy to be insane. You know what they say about insanity and genius. [/quote]
Please, tell us more about your studies of ancient history and philosophy, and your theories on the fall of capitalism. We’re all very intrigued.
[quote]tedro wrote:
I agree with the original idea that we shouldn’t be spending this kind of money on AIDS in Africa, but the notion that we should instead spend it on healthcare is just as bad if not worse. The US government does not have the money to keep up with these global welfare checks.
If we must spend this money on some sort of healthcare, why not spend it on research of a non-prevental disease like cancer, which is actually what I expected the OP to suggest after reading his first paragraph.
For all intents and purposes, AIDS is 100% preventable and could be extinguished in 50 years if people were just a bit more responsible. Meanwhile, we have kids dying everyday in places like St. Jude of sickening diseases like cancer. What sense does this make? Help the unresponsible, but ignore the truly unfortunate?
Of course, if taxes weren’t so high and increasing, we could afford to give donations of our choosing and this wouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]
You hit the nail on the head. Nobody wants to responsible or hed accountable anymore. I hate to say it but if the people of Africa cant figure out that their lifestyle(its actually a DEATHSTYLE) is causing them to die en mass, well its their own fault. In the mean time why doesnt America worry about Americans and help the people in America with their healthcare.
I think instead of bitching about the aid to Africa you should be asking your government why they don’t have a socialized(I know evil word) healthcare system. [/quote]
I’ve thought this for some time now and I agree with the OP, but I think we can talk about the other giant waste monies spent on war and other unimportant global pursuits because its the bigger issue of so many domestic problems that our government money seems to ignore.
Canada has been known for helping but we have kids living in poverty here, what about the mentally ill or city infrastuctures, the national debt or of particular concern for me is our Nortern sovereignty. We should still give; but lets fix ourselves first, then we can fully help others.
I think instead of bitching about the aid to Africa you should be asking your government why they don’t have a socialized(I know evil word) healthcare system.
Um…becuase it would be worse than what we have now.
Yeah tell that to the poor people who can’t get care. [/quote]
I think instead of bitching about the aid to Africa you should be asking your government why they don’t have a socialized(I know evil word) healthcare system.
Um…becuase it would be worse than what we have now.
Yeah tell that to the poor people who can’t get care.
tell that too people that flock here from other countries to get the very best in health care.
this is off topic but there are far better ways to make sure everyone get the health care they want. gov’t is the problem, not the solution. Ask the Canadians.
I am Canadian we have some growing pains they will be fixed in time. Actual my ideal solution would be a mix of private and socialized care that way everyone is taken care of. Yeah the government sucks but I would rather have them in control than rich people and corporations
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Why not have people pay their doctors for services. No need for rich folks or corporations.
[quote]DK 14 wrote:
I have no idea why you would want the government to provide you with healthcare. They mess up enough stuff up in the free market as it is. Government run healthcare would be a disaster. The greatest nation in the history of civilization has a responsibilty to stop deadly epidemics and help out those who cannot help themselves in other parts of the world. When my brother got sick he didn’t blame the government … he just bucked up and understood life isn’t fair. [/quote]
You’re an idiot, Americans are supposed to be full of pride, and chanting U…S…A, U…s…A but you don’t care about your “fellow” Americans and you’d rather see your people suffer. Tell me how “great” a nation is that would rather throw money to other things than help their own people? And the States won’t go down in history as the greatest civilization.
I am Canadian we have some growing pains they will be fixed in time. Actual my ideal solution would be a mix of private and socialized care that way everyone is taken care of. Yeah the government sucks but I would rather have them in control than rich people and corporations
So wrong in so many ways. You should read more.
I read a lot mainly ancient history and philosophy. If you look around us today Capitalism has failed, a lot of people aren’t happy, the poor are exploited by the wealthy, the middle class is exploited just as much. The world doesn’t have the resources to handle our consumer driven lifestyle therefore the first world is forced to keep the 3rd world in abject poverty only to bitch and moan whenever they are thrown a bone.
Honestly it is you and all these other lovers of capitalism who are wrong. Oh and for a pre-emptive strike no I don’t agree with communism it has failed miserably too. [/quote]
How do the wealthy exploit the poor? What does the poor have that the wealthy want?
[quote]jawara wrote:
I’m sure this topic is gonna piss a few of you off but I have a problem with this. Lemme give you my reasons. A few years ago I had a girlfriend that was diagnosed with breast cancer. She had to get both breasts removed. After the surgery she lost her job and, her health benifits. She was getting unemployment but 80% went to paying bills.
That being said why are our tax dollars going to help people in other countries when we have people in AMERICA that have no healthcare at all? Shouldn’t we take care of the problems we have at home before we start trying to help out other countries??? If every American had some type of healthcare plan I could understand doing this but we dont.Oh, there are people with AIDS in the US too Mr. Bush. Why dont we get them fixed up first!!! [/quote]
Because all the white people in America feel guilty for slavery and think that if they help out Africans this will in some way make up for the sins of their ancestors.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Cool! Let’s bitch about the $48 billions that will actually be used to save lives.
The hundreds of billions to bomb and invade a foreign country that caused 4124 Americans along with a shitload of Iraqis to die are not to be discussed under any circumstance. Matter of fact, we don’t even know how much it did cost so far (or what it’ll cost in the next “hundred years”).
Ain’t life grand?[/quote]
Lixy, If you would just get all your terrorist buddies together in one place we could bomb them all at once and we could then save most of the $48 billion.
Now due to many factors including western interference and fanatic cults in their own culture they have fallen slightly but to call them backwards people when you live in a country where many have issues voting for a black man is pretty hypocritical. [/quote]
Lol, I can’t think of any country on earth where you can’t find “many” people who would have issues voting for a minority.
Just out of interest, has Canada ever had a non white prime minister? Has anyone come close?
[quote]Mr.Irish wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
I have no idea why you would want the government to provide you with healthcare. They mess up enough stuff up in the free market as it is. Government run healthcare would be a disaster. The greatest nation in the history of civilization has a responsibilty to stop deadly epidemics and help out those who cannot help themselves in other parts of the world. When my brother got sick he didn’t blame the government … he just bucked up and understood life isn’t fair.
You’re an idiot, Americans are supposed to be full of pride, and chanting U…S…A, U…s…A but you don’t care about your “fellow” Americans and you’d rather see your people suffer. Tell me how “great” a nation is that would rather throw money to other things than help their own people? And the States won’t go down in history as the greatest civilization.
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Maybe you don’t know what this country was founded on - individual liberty and freedom. People left their big governments that were oppresive in search for self-government. I agree with helping each other as Americans, but once the government steps in it’s bad news. A government that can give you everything you want … .can take it all away in an instant. The only way the States won’t go down as the greatest civilization ever is because of big government liberals who are trying to turn America into Europe. God bless the USA.
Now due to many factors including western interference and fanatic cults in their own culture they have fallen slightly but to call them backwards people when you live in a country where many have issues voting for a black man is pretty hypocritical.
Lol, I can’t think of any country on earth where you can’t find “many” people who would have issues voting for a minority.
Just out of interest, has Canada ever had a non white prime minister? Has anyone come close?
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We haven’t, but its only because one hasn’t really gone for it, we don’t have the same race issues as our southern neighbours so it wouldn’t be factor. In fact neither is sex we did have a female one. If you watch their politcal coverage they talk of the “black vote” or “Spanish vote”…“if these blacks vote this way” and “females vote this way”…yadda yadda yadda. In Canada I couldn’t imagine seeing this come election time on tv here. For the most part, Canadians like the multi-cultural part of us. When you always talk of the divide of people you subconsciously keep race an issue and until its not there’s always going to be a problem there. In fact most Canadians want Obama to win the election not Mccain so there you go.
Now due to many factors including western interference and fanatic cults in their own culture they have fallen slightly but to call them backwards people when you live in a country where many have issues voting for a black man is pretty hypocritical.
Lol, I can’t think of any country on earth where you can’t find “many” people who would have issues voting for a minority.
Just out of interest, has Canada ever had a non white prime minister? Has anyone come close?
We haven’t, but its only because one hasn’t really gone for it, we don’t have the same race issues as our southern neighbours so it wouldn’t be factor. In fact neither is sex we did have a female one. If you watch their politcal coverage they talk of the “black vote” or “Spanish vote”…“if these blacks vote this way” and “females vote this way”…yadda yadda yadda. In Canada I couldn’t imagine seeing this come election time on tv here. For the most part, Canadians like the multi-cultural part of us. When you always talk of the divide of people you subconsciously keep race an issue and until its not there’s always going to be a problem there. In fact most Canadians want Obama to win the election not Mccain so there you go.
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I was addressing your specific point that “to call them backwards people when you live in a country where many have issues voting for a black man is pretty hypocritical”.
I was just pointing out that I doubt there is a country on Earth where you could not find “many” people who have issues voting for a minority. The US is not unique in that regard.
Regular Gonzalez; I know, I just used your response as a springboard for something I’ve been noticing as of late when watching some of the US’s political coverage. Sorry for hijacking your thread. I think you know but I just want to clear it up, I didn’t say the “backwards” thing.
@mharmar
Capitalism hasn’t failed. It is only possible for capitalism to fail when it has too much government intervention.
We don’t need a socialist healthcare system. It’s because of our capitalist economy that we have the best medical technology in the world.
You canadians don’t understand how our economy is ran, and how a socialist healthcare system would fuck us up. You obviously don’t understand how political figures talk and how obama and mccain are both spewing as much bullshit as they can.
Heres obama.
“I’m gonna lower taxes, put carbon taxes on companies, put in healthcare, leave iraq, put more guys in Afghanistan, and develop new kinds of energy all while lowering gas prices. Oh but i can’t tell you how im gonna accomplish those conflicting goals except that im gonna tax the rich and give money to the poor to"buffer” the blow of rising energy, and food prices."
Heres obama.
“I’m gonna lower taxes, put carbon taxes on companies, put in healthcare, leave iraq, put more guys in Afghanistan, and develop new kinds of energy all while lowering gas prices. Oh but i can’t tell you how im gonna accomplish those conflicting goals except that im gonna tax the rich and give money to the poor to"buffer” the blow of rising energy, and food prices."
It’s just not gonna happen.[/quote]
Sounds plausable to me.
How much did he pay for his Harvard education? I wonder who is teaching economics over there?