48 Billion for AIDS in Africa WTF?!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I’m sure this topic is gonna piss a few of you off but I have a problem with this. Lemme give you my reasons. A few years ago I had a girlfriend that was diagnosed with breast cancer. She had to get both breasts removed. After the surgery she lost her job and, her health benifits. She was getting unemployment but 80% went to paying bills.

That being said why are our tax dollars going to help people in other countries when we have people in AMERICA that have no healthcare at all? Shouldn’t we take care of the problems we have at home before we start trying to help out other countries??? If every American had some type of healthcare plan I could understand doing this but we dont.Oh, there are people with AIDS in the US too Mr. Bush. Why dont we get them fixed up first!!!

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That’s messed up. Your government should help it’s own citizens first.

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You know what’s worse?

The money pretty much isn’t doing jackshit to help.

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Deep breaths Jawara! Calm down!

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Cool! Let’s bitch about the $48 billions that will actually be used to save lives.

The hundreds of billions to bomb and invade a foreign country that caused 4124 Americans along with a shitload of Iraqis to die are not to be discussed under any circumstance. Matter of fact, we don’t even know how much it did cost so far (or what it’ll cost in the next “hundred years”).

Ain’t life grand?

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Cool! Let’s tie everything into the Iraq war!

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Cool! Let’s tie everything into the Iraq war![/quote]

Tie it? No.

It’s just perspective.

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Seriously lixyfruit that was a record.

BTW, out of curiosity, what do you think of your nutjob suicide bomber friends that try to blow up as many innocent people as possible?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Cool! Let’s bitch about the $48 billions that will actually be used to save lives.

The hundreds of billions to bomb and invade a foreign country that caused 4124 Americans along with a shitload of Iraqis to die are not to be discussed under any circumstance. Matter of fact, we don’t even know how much it did cost so far (or what it’ll cost in the next “hundred years”).

Ain’t life grand?[/quote]

How about lets bitch about AMERICAN lives that arent being saved in AMERICA because because AMERICAN money is being used to fight AIDs in Africa. On top of that since our economy is in such shambles right now the money would have to be PRINTED which means all US dollars will become worth even LESS.
And since you wanna tie Iraq into this why dont you also bring up the shit loads of money we(the US) has also spent to rebuild this place. I dont the any exact amounts of money so I’m not gonna throw any numbers out there but just in the section of Iraq that I work in we have a health clinic right outside of our gate. Once a week they have free walk in healthcare for Iraqi’s. Most of the people who go have never seen a doctor in their lives.

Oh yeah, how much has Sweden spent on fighting AID’s in Africa?

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[quote]NateOrade wrote:
Seriously lixyfruit that was a record.

BTW, out of curiosity, what do you think of your nutjob suicide bomber friends that try to blow up as many innocent people as possible?[/quote]

What I think? You said it: They’re nutjobs. And they’re dead anyway, so I don’t really see the point of this exercise.

And just to be clear, those aren’t my “friends” in any way.

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[quote]NateOrade wrote:
Seriously lixyfruit that was a record.

BTW, out of curiosity, what do you think of your nutjob suicide bomber friends that try to blow up as many innocent people as possible?[/quote]

You going to answer this lixyturd?

It seems every time suicide bombers come up, you just can’t bring yourself to say anything remotely bad about them. You…just…can’t…say bad things about suicide bombers killing innocent people.

Edit: BAH you totally answered as I was writing this.

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[quote]lixy wrote:

What I think? You said it: They’re nutjobs. [/quote]

That was tough for you wasn’t it? To finally say something bad about them.

Hilarious how you completely dismiss them though.

“People keep dying in Iraq! …What, suicide bombers? Eh, whatever.”

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What about space travel? that shit is just plain stupid, let’s fucking spend billions on flying around space. Talk about perspective.

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[quote]jawara wrote:
How about lets bitch about AMERICAN lives that arent being saved in AMERICA because because AMERICAN money is being used to fight AIDs in Africa. On top of that since our economy is in such shambles right now the money would have to be PRINTED which means all US dollars will become worth even LESS. [/quote]

That’s fair.

I don’t approve of nationalism, but perfectly get your point. I’ll be pissed off if I were in your shoes. But hey, whatcha gonna do about it? It was one a Bush’s idea and the Senate loved it. Why would either party give a damn about what you think? They give you the illusion of choice while you foot the bill…

I could.

But the arguments you wrote in the first paragraph fit perfectly here. The only difference being that much of the destruction in Iraq was a direct consequence of the 2003 invasion.

That’s admirable.

But if you think it somewhat offsets all the carnage and suffering that war of aggression caused, you’re deeply mistaken. I hate to be the one to bring it up, but the German Nazi party had very active charities in the countries it occupied.

I don’t know about AIDS. But in general, Sweden has been one of the most notable and regular contributors to Africa’s welfare. A recent study (from a Washington-based group!) gave ranked it first in the world.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200805160025.html

But all that is besides the point. Sweden has universal healthcare and had your friend been here, she would have had everything taken care of through her hard time. My mum is French and went through breast cancer earlier this year, and I was amazed to see that they were actually sending her a maid to clean the house and take care of the daily chores. So, really, I don’t think Europe and the States are even on the same league with regards to such social issues.

And while it is true that Swedish arm manufacturers sell loads of weapons to Africa that are used to massacre people, not a red cent is from the taxpayers’ money.

To summarize, there’s nothing wrong about bitching about the billions coming out of your collective pockets. But surely you must realize that 700 military bases around the globe and wars of aggression aren’t exactly financed by the treasure of the Carribean. And considering the substantial difference in magnitude between this AIDS-relief money and the funds used to wage wars, arm Israel and the Czech Republic or the money used to feed the Palestinians and keep them breeding like bunnies. I say you should sort out your priorities.

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[quote]NateOrade wrote:
lixy wrote:

What I think? You said it: They’re nutjobs.

That was tough for you wasn’t it? To finally say something bad about them.

Hilarious how you completely dismiss them though.

“People keep dying in Iraq! …What, suicide bombers? Eh, whatever.”[/quote]

I don’t know what you’re looking for here. Besides, I don’t see how this could be remotely linked to the thread. But let’s get this out of the way.

I assume that 99% of the people loath anyone killing innocents. Be they suicide bombers, homicide bombers, gunmen, machete waving lunatics, fighter pilots or napalm throwing murderers. That assumption seems to hold fairly well on this forum. All are freaks indocrinated into believing that they’re on the “good” side, and that the innocents are “casualties”. Besides HH and his (trollish?) calls for genocide, I don’t think anyone ever sided with criminal parties.

But since you can’t make that assumption, let me say the following about the people you described: Fsck them! I wish they would rot in pits of filth. May they burn in hell for all eternity.

Happy now? Can we get back to the topic at hand?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
jawara wrote:
How about lets bitch about AMERICAN lives that arent being saved in AMERICA because because AMERICAN money is being used to fight AIDs in Africa. On top of that since our economy is in such shambles right now the money would have to be PRINTED which means all US dollars will become worth even LESS.

That’s fair.

I don’t approve of nationalism, but perfectly get your point. I’ll be pissed off if I were in your shoes. But hey, whatcha gonna do about it? It was one a Bush’s idea and the Senate loved it. Why would either party give a damn about what you think? They give you the illusion of choice while you foot the bill…

And since you wanna tie Iraq into this why dont you also bring up the shit loads of money we(the US) has also spent to rebuild this place.

I could.

But the arguments you wrote in the first paragraph fit perfectly here. The only difference being that much of the destruction in Iraq was a direct consequence of the 2003 invasion.

I dont the any exact amounts of money so I’m not gonna throw any numbers out there but just in the section of Iraq that I work in we have a health clinic right outside of our gate. Once a week they have free walk in healthcare for Iraqi’s. Most of the people who go have never seen a doctor in their lives.

That’s admirable.

But if you think it somewhat offsets all the carnage and suffering that war of aggression caused, you’re deeply mistaken. I hate to be the one to bring it up, but the German Nazi party had very active charities in the countries it occupied.

Oh yeah, how much has Sweden spent on fighting AID’s in Africa?

I don’t know about AIDS. But in general, Sweden has been one of the most notable and regular contributors to Africa’s welfare. A recent study (from a Washington-based group!) gave ranked it first in the world.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200805160025.html

But all that is besides the point. Sweden has universal healthcare and had your friend been here, she would have had everything taken care of through her hard time.

My mum is French and went through breast cancer earlier this year, and I was amazed to see that they were actually sending her a maid to clean the house and take care of the daily chores. So, really, I don’t think Europe and the States are even on the same league with regards to such social issues.

And while it is true that Swedish arm manufacturers sell loads of weapons to Africa that are used to massacre people, not a red cent is from the taxpayers’ money.

To summarize, there’s nothing wrong about bitching about the billions coming out of your collective pockets. But surely you must realize that 700 military bases around the globe and wars of aggression aren’t exactly financed by the treasure of the Carribean.

And considering the substantial difference in magnitude between this AIDS-relief money and the funds used to wage wars, arm Israel and the Czech Republic or the money used to feed the Palestinians and keep them breeding like bunnies. I say you should sort out your priorities.[/quote]

Dude start a different thread. You’ve almost completely derailed it.

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[quote]jawara wrote:
lixy wrote:
jawara wrote:
Dude start a different thread. You’ve almost completely derailed it.[/quote]

Actually I think Lixy’s made some really good points and I’m not sure how he derailed it by responding to specific points made by you but anyways…

I get what you are saying on the surface it sounds pretty horrendous when there are so many in such dire need in the U.S. (and might I say man, that’s a terrible experience your girlfriend had to get through, I hope she is now doing well).

But the fact is Africa is a very fucked up place on a lotta levels and (dear God I’m not going to hear the end of this) but it didn’t happen in a vacuum, the first world has to accept some responsibility.

When will the US or any country for that matter ever be in a position to say “yo we are sorted, lets start flicking money to starving people”? Never.

Bottom line: that money is going to the poorest, most desperate, most exploited place on earth, to those with the most need. It’s going to do some good. That’s a good thing. I can think of a whole lot more negative things to get riled up about than this.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Cool! Let’s bitch about the $48 billions that will actually be used to save lives.

The hundreds of billions to bomb and invade a foreign country that caused 4124 Americans along with a shitload of Iraqis to die are not to be discussed under any circumstance. Matter of fact, we don’t even know how much it did cost so far (or what it’ll cost in the next “hundred years”).

Ain’t life grand?[/quote]

This has nothing to do with anything.
And those 48 billion could be used to save your own lives.

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[quote]GCF wrote:
jawara wrote:
lixy wrote:
jawara wrote:
Dude start a different thread. You’ve almost completely derailed it.

Actually I think Lixy’s made some really good points and I’m not sure how he derailed it by responding to specific points made by you but anyways…

I get what you are saying on the surface it sounds pretty horrendous when there are so many in such dire need in the U.S. (and might I say man, that’s a terrible experience your girlfriend had to get through, I hope she is now doing well). But the fact is Africa is a very fucked up place on a lotta levels and (dear God I’m not going to hear the end of this) but it didn’t happen in a vacuum, the first world has to accept some responsibility.

When will the US or any country for that matter ever be in a position to say “yo we are sorted, lets start flicking money to starving people”? Never.

Bottom line: that money is going to the poorest, most desperate, most exploited place on earth, to those with the most need. It’s going to do some good. That’s a good thing. I can think of a whole lot more negative things to get riled up about than this.

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He did make some good points I do have to agree about that but this isnt about Iraq.
This is how I see it. Lets say my family and my next door neighbors were starving and I came home with 2 sandwhiches I would take 1/3 of one sandwhich for myself and divide the rest with my family. Do I feel bad for the next door neighbors?Yes. But I’m gonna do what I have to do to take care of mine before I start to worry about other people. If I had some extra food I would give it but if I dont I dont. Right now America cannot afford to be giving money to people in other countries while we have a healthcare crisis, a food crisis, floods, wildfires, a mortgage meltdown, and a war. Not to mention the fact that we have been throwing money at AIDs for the last 20 years at least and it keeps spreading because people dont want to modify their behavior. The people you have sex with the more likely you are to get it. If EVERYONE in the world got tested and stayed in a monogoumus relationship. The spread would be greatly halted if not stopped. It’s not my fault that their are morons in Africa that think that having sex with a virgin girl will make all the health problems go away. They need to change their culture not give them money.

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[quote]NateOrade wrote:
You know what’s worse?

The money pretty much isn’t doing jackshit to help.

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Deep breaths Jawara! Calm down![/quote]

Nate,
I’m sorry man but I cant stand the fact that my country is rapidly becoming a third world nation because we try to be nice to everybody else. No matter wwhat we do everybody else hates us. And it doesnt make any sense at all for us to try and help out everybody else when we ourselves have so many problems back home.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Seriously lixyfruit that was a record.

BTW, out of curiosity, what do you think of your nutjob suicide bomber friends that try to blow up as many innocent people as possible?

What I think? You said it: They’re nutjobs. And they’re dead anyway, so I don’t really see the point of this exercise.

And just to be clear, those aren’t my “friends” in any way.[/quote]

And yet you continually support their cause…